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Mar 2018
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 00:54
@Mad-Spy When you have multiple Allegiance options but no general requirement for battleline I had to separate the Allegiance out for the non-battleline and group the rest. (Take a peek at the grave guard) otherwise it didn’t seem to be working right
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 08:22
That's weird. I'm sure I had it working...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 11:35
I did a full test with all of the available options and that’s when I ran into issues and needed to change it up.
Maybe I’m missing something?
It seems to work just fine if you don’t have more than two options. But when working with more than 2 Allegiances was where I ran into issues
In any case. Profiles are not in yet for everything, and I don’t have all of the Allies units configured ... but points tracking and general list building is available for death :+1:
Next up ... Allies and profiles
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 11:45
Maybe it wasn't working but I missed it in testing...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 11:49
Take a check over the grave guard ... maybe I missed something?
Death just has a huge amount of these multiple Alliance possibilities (that aren’t just Death and X)
It was amusing ... the new Death Warscroll Battalions ... they have explicit keywords.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 11:53
No, I think it might never have worked. I can't make it work for the Chaos units where I'd set it up like that.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 11:54
Well, at least we caught it :g
:grin:
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 12:00
So ... I hadn’t been paying much attention to Warscroll Allegiance ... but ran into this : “When picking your army’s allegiance, all units in a warscroll battalion are considered to have the allegiance noted above the title on the warscroll.”
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 12:01
Except that if they don't have a keyword, they don't get KEYWORD benefits, so it doesn't actually make any difference to us, I think.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 12:02
“An army can have a specific allegiance if all the starting units and warscroll battalions in the army have the keyword for that allegiance, including any units that you assign a keyword to during set-up”
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 12:02
in their example, the SCE units in the Sylvaneth battalion get the Battalion benefits, but not the Allegiance ones.
At least, that's how I read it?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 12:03
Yes, but the SCE are considered to have Sylvaneth allegiance
Indirectly
Or at least the Sylvaneth keyword
So .. if a Warscroll says “DEATH” at the top. The unit has the Death Allegiance.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 12:05
but read the last paragraph, if you select the SYLVANETH Allegiance, they don't get the benefit, because they don't actually have the keyword.
I think what they're trying to say is that they aren't Allies (and don't count towards that limit).
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 12:07
So, if I have a Grand Host of Nagash Army ... and choose a Warscroll with “DEATH” at the top ... instead of the one with “Grand Host of Nagash” that the Army has to have Death Allegiance?
Not grand host of Nagash Allegiance?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 12:08
Yes, because the warscroll isn't valid for a "Grand Host of Nagash" army
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 12:09
.... wow ... Death has a seriously crappy number of Warscroll battalions
That’s almost a faq question...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 12:16
having said that, Azyr says that a "Grand Host of Nagash" allegiance army can have all of the battalions from the new book! So I have no idea how it's supposed to work.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 12:17
... yeah ...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 13:01
From the faq Q: Can the warscroll battalions for speci c Legions be taken outside of the Legion named on their warscrolls?
A: The First Cohort can only be taken as part of the Grand Host of Nagash (because the other Legions cannot include Nagash). Any other battalions for speci c Legions can be included as part of a different Legion as long as that Legion also includes the Mortarch that must lead it. For example, to include the Court of Nulahmia in a Legion of Sacrament army, the army would also have to include Arkhan the Black (because
if the Legion of the Sacrament has any Mortarchs, one must be Arkhan).
So ... by implication I can take a “DEATH” Warscroll Battalion in an Army That has a specific allegiance?
Am I reading this right?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 13:09
The wording pre-LoN in the Warscroll section for DoT said “... A battalion can still be part of any allegiance that all its units have on their warscrolls.”
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 13:10
where's that from?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 13:14
The Disciples of Tzeentch battletome.
p.95 in the warscroll Battalion section.
Can a Legion of Blood army take “The first cohort” battalion in Azyr?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 13:17
yes
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 13:18
... okay well that doesn’t match the faq.
So, as long as the units in the Warscroll Battalion can be taken in that Allegiance ... or the Allegiance is the same the Warscroll Battalion is good?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 13:22
nope, but Azyr might be wrong. It also gives me the option to include a Daemon Cohort of Nurgle in a Khorne army, so I'm not convinced it's entirely accurate...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 13:25
They’re allies... so not an issue perhaps?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 13:25
:shrug:
except they're not really because a Daemon Cohort of Nurgle is a "Daemons of Chaos" compendium battalion.
and as such has been superseded by the Maggotkin book, and is not even in GHB2017
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 13:26
“Go GW!”
Okay. So ... based on the faq I’m going to allow the Battalion warscrolls in armies where the units in the battalion have keywords that would be allowed.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 13:32
yes, i think that's the right choice. So in Chaos, KHORNE BLOODBOUND warscrolls are allowed in KHORNE and CHAOS allegiance armies.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 13:35
So in a Soulblight Army, I could use Court of Nulhamina ... as all the units have SOULBLIGHT .. but not Nightfall Pack as they don’t all have SOULBLIGHT... and not Deathmarch
As they all are Bonerattle.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 13:38
According to Azyr, you can't take any Battalions as standard, but you can take Deathrattle Horde or Legion of Death as Allies.
in a Soulblight army
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 13:39
Interesting.
Soulblight has Bonerattle as an Ally ... and at least one of those is a Bonerattle Warscroll Battalion
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 14:38
And they dealt with the question on p. 60 - “When you are choosing your army, you may decide it is taken from one of the Legions of Nagash. If you do, choose one of the following faction keywords. All units and warscroll battalions in your army selected from this battletome gain that keyword.
• GRAND HOST OF NAGASH
• LEGION OF SACRAMENT
• LEGION OF BLOOD
• LEGION OF NIGHT”
At least in part.... so if you choose a Legion it gets the Legion keyword
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 14:39
ah, well, that makes a difference. We can't support it, but at least it makes sense.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 14:40
Technically I could wrangle it ...
But I don’t know that we need to. As long as we’re handling them the way that we are.
So, Nighthaunt and Soulblight Allegiance don’t get the benefit ... but everyone else does... if you choose a Legion
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 14:43
I mean we can't support adding the Keywords to the units, well, not without a significant amount of work.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 14:44
We do it with the “General” category
It just requires a switch, and then a whole bunch of cut and paste ...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 14:45
not really. we add a Selection Entry which has a Category, which isn't really the same thing
if we could straight up add new categories that would be amazing.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 14:46
All our keywords are just categories ... in caps
Unless I’m just missing something.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 14:47
It is not possible to simply add a category to a Selection Entry via any kind of automated method.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 14:48
“Challenge ... accepted?” Lemme@see if what I’m mentally envisioning makes sense
You’re probably right :smile:
But they closed the office due to high winds and power outages
So ... I’m stuck at home ...
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 14:50
Where are you based?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 14:50
I’m thinking more of a “Choose the Chaos god” but on a roster level
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 14:50
I would assume Scotland based on your username :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 14:50
Near Washington DC
I just happen to have an insane number of Kilts
Accross the pond from Scotland... though they have like 2foot snowfall currently. A friend of the family is stuck in Paris due to the weather
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 14:58
Hi there! I've just added the Kharadron Overlords before realising that you were all still working on this data file. I've just done the entries and points for now so I could quickly build lists for myself, but I'm happy to contribute 'officially' if you need another pair of hands? This is my first time editing BattleScribe data files so I might stumble around a bit at first, but I'm a game designer by trade so pretty comfortable with this sort of data entry. Anyway, let me know if you would like my help, or if you want me to butt out :smile:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 15:01
Welcome! If you're up for working with us, that would be great.
@rweyrauch is working on Order right now, but I don't think he's started on Kharadrons as yet.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 15:03
Sure, I'm more than happy to help out. I might not be super-quick but I can carry on with the Kharadrons if @rweyrauch hasn't done anything with them yet.
Like I said, I have the entries in place and was going to start adding the profiles next.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 02 2018 15:04
I am working on Order right now. The KO have been added (points, abilities, etc), but the fine tuning of constraints have not been updated for allies and allegiances. The Order catalog is huge and any help would be appreciated.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 15:05
No problem - anything in particular I can work on?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 15:08
looks like the KO needs aligning with the Implementation Guidelines.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 02 2018 15:08
You could start by testing out the KO entries to make sure they do what you want. Work on the Battalion WS has not started for any faction.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 15:10
they also need the weapon options set up.
I've invited you to collaborate so you can upload to the repo.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 02 2018 15:15
Specifically, the KO need work on getting battleline rolls completed, weapon options, allegiance abilities and KO battle traits.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 15:15
Thank you. I'll get everything set up this evening and start playing around with the data file. Given my 'noob' status I think I'm probably of most use adding the weapon options and so on.
I'll probably end up bugging you later, but I'll try and keep it to a minimum.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 15:22
@OftKilted, regarding the multi-allegiance visibility, can you update the guidelines?
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 15:26
@Mad-Spy Where can I find the Implementation Guidelines?
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 15:31
Awesome, thank you!
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 15:32
any questions, shout on here.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 15:34
@FreylisUK And welcome to the team :)
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 15:36
Will do, thanks everyone :smile:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 15:37
As you and @OftKilted are working on the same files, you'll need to take extra care to ensure you download any updates before committing.
You may be better working on a separate branch and then merging back to Chaos-Updates.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 15:38
Who's working on Death?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 15:38
I meant @rweyrauch not you..
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 15:41
Cool, I'll create a new branch to work in and then I'm not interfering with what @rweyrauch is working on.
I'll only be editing the KO anyway so it should be relatively safe.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 15:42
No worries :) Any thoughts on how you are planning on handling the PBF related to MaggotKin of Nurgle, given that it is actually not 'Maggotkin of Nurgle' but 'Nurgle Allies' .. i.e. it's based off of the Allegiance, not the PBF?
Should we create a 'Allegiance PBF'?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 15:43
I'm still not sure that we shouldn't just do away with PBF completely, especially given that Azyr has no concept of it.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 15:43
I'm leaning more and more towards that actually.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 15:55
My question is 'are the Allies of the parent 'Allegiance' also Allegiances, or are they KEYWORDS
or are they 'Pitched Battle Profile' lists?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 16:00
OK, so Azyr has "Khorne Bloodbound" as an allegiance. Allegiance Leaders are restricted to those which have both keywords.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 16:01
Khorne Bloodbound was actually an allegiance in the original Khorne Bloodbound book.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 16:01
Allied Leaders appear to be Slaves to Darkness, Everchosen, Brayherd and Maggotkin
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 16:05
Though, the original 'Khorne Bloodbound' allegiance was entirely based on the Warscroll Battalions. it wasn't a direct keyword on the units.
And it is used in the current Blades of Khorne ... but you're completely correct that it is based on a combination of two keywords.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 16:08
Basically Azyr is a right mess, because "Nurgle" allegiance can only choose from Chaos traits and artefacts, but "Maggotkin of Nurgle" (which should be the same thing?) can only choose from the list in the Maggotkin book.
anyway, I'm going to stand in the snow and wait for a bus. Speak to you all later.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 16:08
In the battle tome it lists Mighty Skullcrushers as "“Battleline if army has KHORNE BLOODBOUND allegiance and its general is a Lord of Khorne on Juggernaut”
Cheers, and stay warm!
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 02 2018 16:55
@FreylisUK welcome. I am currently working my through the minor factions, populating unit info, correcting point and adding abilities. I have been postponing work on the allegience and Pbf constraints as @Mad-Spy and @OftKilted have been working out the details as to how handle these. The implementation guidelines are quite detailed. If you could focus on KO that would be very helpful.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 20:36
@rweyrauch Thanks - like I said earlier I'll stick to the KO and see how far I get.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 21:32
Quick query: how are you handling options for unit leaders? The Arkanaut Company Captain can choose one of two pistol upgrades; should I add a second Weapon Options SGE for him, or is there a better way of doing it?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 21:47
That's how I've done it before.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 21:47
Cool, thanks.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 02 2018 21:49
If you look at Chaos, there's a leader option on one of the Pestilens units. Can't remember which though off the top of my head.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 21:49
Thanks, it looks to be working okay for me at the moment.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 22:34
Or check Death. Skeleton Warriors. 'Weapon Choice for Unit'
Basically, it's an SSEG, Min 1 Max 1 named "Weapon Choice for Unit" with 'Ancient Blade' and 'Ancient Spear' as choices.
And a profile for the weapon under it.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 22:37
Yep, that's how I've done it for the unit champions. It only matters for the Arkanaut Company, thankfully.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 22:39
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Nothing like an accidental double copy
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 22:40
:smile:
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 22:40
The corpsmaster has two weapons
The sword can be taken or not, and the goad and lash are the choice of two
16 more units ... and then I get to dig into FEC ...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 22:46
@Mad-Spy You spelled Organization incorrectly in your Battalion Organization profile type.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 02 2018 23:13
So I am noticing some lag on mobile devices doing the battalions the way we've talked about them once they all get in there and there's multiples- but on all of my actual computers it's been fine
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 02 2018 23:19
We’re actually not doing any validation on battalions....
I believe we determined that it was technically possible. And that it was probably some level of insanity to do so because of how linking them would be an insane amount of work
We ended not doing validation of units ... merely the same kind of “does the force allow the battalion”
Or did we change the method in the recommendations?
tekton
@tekton
Mar 02 2018 23:30
not the recommendations, i was just working on seeing if said technically feasible ideas had issues, turns out it seems to on devices that are a bit less powerful is all
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 02 2018 23:31
Okay, that's me done for tonight. I've created SGEs for all the KO weapon options and checked that all the limits work as intended. If I get chance over the weekend I'll see if I can get the Battalions working. Thanks for all the help so far!
tekton
@tekton
Mar 02 2018 23:32
:thumbsup: