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Mar 2018
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 00:26
@alphalas Tomb Kings is officially done. I've setup a 1.0 release candidate into the AoS v2.0 branch. (and FEC and LoN are also in really nice shape IMO)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 00:35
:+1:
awesome
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 00:39

@/all Death looks to be in a good 1.0 release candidate situation. If anyone sees anything that looks wonky, let me know. :)
If anyone needs a hand with catalogs, let me know and I can jump in.

Do we actually not have any Bretonnia data in any of the ORDER cats? I don't see any references in the main order.cat? And I'm not seeing it in any of the others...

Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 00:56
I have started a Bretonnia Order catalog. I have not pushed it to github yet. I was waiting for a 1.0 release before starting add more stuff. I can push the Bretonnia catalog if you'd like.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:10
Push what you have, and I'll just assign the 'bretonnia' request to you.
Good think you mentioned it ... I was about to dig into that insanity.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 01:13
I just created a PR for Bretonnians and legacy Dwarfs.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:23
Have you done anything with Lizardmen? Or are they in Seraphon?
@alphalas Is there actually a set of keywords that you can actually use (other than order) in a Lizardman/Seraphon army?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:30
Skink is common across seraphon/lizards; I think that’s actually it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:31
Is there a skink allegiance?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:37
I think just seraphon
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:39
Hmm. That means that the Lizardmen won't get any benefit, and likely don't ally with anyone. And if you select them ... it breaks your allegiance.
However ... pardon me the insanity that is the Skink Starseer ... what the heck is that?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:40
Lol nobody really knows
Stupid question
Doesn’t Azyr prevent things that break Allegiance?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:41
a 5/6th chance to reroll up to 6 single dice before your next hero phase?
Curse of Fates ... casting value 4 .... each phase increase or decrease the result of a single die roll on any unit within 20"?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:42
look at engine of the gods
IMG_3887.JPG
IMG_3888.JPG
but this is my point about skinks.
azyr says it’s legal lol
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:45
So, the Skink Priest has the SERAPHON keyword ... the chief does not.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:45
neither does the prophet
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:45
The Prophet doesn't ...
So they can't actually meet the SERAPHON requirement....
I won't disagree that Azyr appears to be having issues...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:46
oh i’m not going to argue that either.
HOWEVER
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:50
?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:50
yeah it even lets you do it on WSB too
weird
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:50
Yeah ... not entirely surprised there.
they do no validation at all.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:51
fair lol
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:51
I think the closest thing to any level of validation might be my LoN catalog ...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:52
but then shouldn’t the AoS app not even list the offending units as part of seraphon faction?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:52
Not entirely sure that I got the battalions right .... and the wonkiness that is the GHB ... which was then followed by the LoN ...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:54
IMG_3889.JPG
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:54
So ... the war scroll doesn't have the keywords.
However the Chief and Prophet are also on the Lizardmen page
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:55
yes true
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:55
Which says to me that someone didn't do data cleanup.
Probably because based on my reading the Seraphon are pretty cheaty-mc-cheaty-face ... more-so even than the shaven.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:56
i don’t think they ever had seraphon though
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:58
Yeah, the 2015 version did.
Not sure where the Skink Prophet came from, that wasn't in the 2015 release.
Perhaps it was a named character.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 01:59
yeah
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 01:59
The Skink Starherald used to be a named characters
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 02:00
tenehenehenuian
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 02:00
gehesuntight.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 02:00
same with the chamealeon charactere
he was oxyotl
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 02:00
So, pre-ghb 2017, those all had the keyword.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 02:01
ok
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 02:01
After the GHB, they updated the scrolls.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 02:01
that’s a reasonable explanation then
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 02:01
And apparently had issues with cleaning up their app.
:(
Wow ... the Starseer is 200 points ... that still feels low ... with that much dice manipulation....
And it isn't even limited by the BEHEMOTH keyword ... wow.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 02:07
And they literally ripped all of the named characters except Kroak out ...
Dinosaurs riding dinosaurs ...
And replaced them with generics.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 02:11
yup
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 02:22
@OftKilted I have not looked at the Lizardmen.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 02:29
@rweyrauch okies ....
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 24 2018 07:12
Is there an issue open to cover adding all the legacy Compendium cats? Might as well keep track of them all.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 24 2018 07:43
Just created #204 to keep track of the Compendium stuff.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 24 2018 07:51
I'm assuming there are no points anywhere for the Forge World stuff? They don't seem to have added any to their Compendiums.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 11:14
@FreylisUK forgeworld > here to help > Downloads > Matched Play updates
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Downloads#warhammeraos
@FreylisUK we had an explicit request and issue for Bretonnia
And @alphalas has been poking us on the Lizardmen something about “Not enough Skinks” ;)
I handed Bretonnia over to @rweyrauch as he had some initial work done on it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 11:22
I believe that was #177
No ... #159
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 24 2018 11:34
Ah, cool, thank you. I'll add the FW armies to the issue then.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 12:11
Not entirely sure what we absolutely need to have for a 1.0 release in this regards.
There seems to be a move from GW to move all the old models out of Matched Play. (Based on their new ‘Legacy Site’ comments
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 24 2018 12:38
Yep, I read that the other day. I wonder if we should leave these out for 1.0 and wait until we see what Legacy brings?
Also, quick question on Firestorm Allegiances: Where did you end up putting them now that there is no overarching Death catalogue?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 12:51
So ... it’s effectively only applicable when using the Grand Alliance Allegiance... input it as an SE under Allegiance Death.
I wouldn’t worry about it tbh.
At least not until we have all the other catalogs complete.
I really see few folks using the Grand alliances when they play unless they have no other options.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 24 2018 12:55
Okay, I was going to add the Order Firestorm entries later this evening, but you're suggesting I shouldn't bother with them for now?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 12:56
Yep. Not until we have completion on the core...
I would put the Compendium battletomes ahead of them tbh
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 24 2018 12:57
Sure thing... @rweyrauch Do you need any more help with the Order release?
If not I will move on to the Compendiums (even if they don't end up in the 1.0 release).
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 12:58
@FreylisUK I think its just bug fixing now for the Order catalogs.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 12:58
@tekton What help do you need in Destruction?
@Mad-Spy Where can we help with Chaos?
We could chalk up an issue for each of the factions to track what has been done? Like I did for Death
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 13:05
Can someone cross reference the Order cat and Wanderers? We ended up with a split out catalog ... and I thought I saw stuff in the order cat that still included them?
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 13:07
@OftKilted I will have a look at the Order cat.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 13:10
@rweyrauch Thanks!
:+1:
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 24 2018 13:15
I think @Cupropituvanso had added some WE units to the Wanderers cat which will need splitting back out into a separate Wood Elves cat as well.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 13:17
@FreylisUK The WE units should be split back out to their own catalog.
@OftKilted Found a few lingering keyword categories in the Order cat. Removed them and will create PR.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 13:31
@FreylisUK @OftKilted I will create a WE catalog and move the WE units our of Wanderers to the new WE catalog.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 24 2018 14:09
@/all, in terms of Chaos, Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh are not started, Skaven needs splitting but is otherwise done. I'm going to try and at least get these 4 split out later so that people can more easily help out if they have time.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 14:10
@Mad-Spy I’ll dig into Tzeentch after you coordinate the split.
tekton
@tekton
Mar 24 2018 15:01
@OftKilted I need to make the allies stuff and clean up a couple general things, otherwise it’s actually in not bad shape. Was going to keep trucking on it later today after my practice games :)
*work better
tekton
@tekton
Mar 24 2018 15:13
If I get too far behind I’ll open some issues to get some help though @OftKilted
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Mar 24 2018 16:02
I can take on Nurgle if required - I play them anyways.
@rweyrauch Thanks for taking on the WE split. I think @Cupropituvanso can maybe carry on with it once the split cat is available to work in.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 16:30
@tekton with the split catalogs we don’t need to handle much in the way of Allies at all
(Basically the implementation guidelines need to be updated.)
(I probably went overboard on my death catalogs ... as they weren’t split out.)
The CHAOS BRAYHERDS is an excellent example to work from.
(At least from a 1.0 release version)
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 24 2018 16:46
Khorne is good as well. I can't remember if I've properly implemented the "Battleline -> Other when Allies" logic in Brayherds.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 17:13
@Mad-Spy It almost looks like a category that flags for “Allegiance:X” might help get around some show/hide. Not just “X” basically what we’re doing for the force selection bit ...
Not put on the units, but directly on the actual Allegiance.
A Hide if not Category “ALLEGIANCE:X” and ancestor is not instance of Allies.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 17:32
With Sylvaneth cat being uploaded, is #155 completed?
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 17:34
@OftKilted Yes. #155 has been completed.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 18:19
@rweyrauch did you take a look at the feedback for #156 ? Anything on that issue that is still outstanding and needs to be completed?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 18:44
And .... I think I have a solution for Battalion validation.
It doesn't display in an amazingly pretty fashion ... but it doesn't double-count (at least for my FEC)...
tekton
@tekton
Mar 24 2018 19:22
Technically most of the battleline/"slot" if allies or not is done actually, I just need to clean up the wording on a few. I'll check those out though to make sure it's inline
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 19:44
@tekton ahh got it! No worries :)
@Mad-Spy I think that I have a working solution for Battalion validation. Take a peek at the FEC Courts catalog.
I'm creating an SSE with a label of the required units. (like a weapon choice) and a link to the SE for the unit. If there are multiple The 'modifiers' for hiding are then copied from the RSE.
If there are multiple RSE (e.g. Battleline) two instances of the SE are copied into the SSE. And the RSE hide/show setup are copied.
The Battleline and Other are then selected on those individual SE's.
On that note, a full 'Flesh Eater Courts battalion' with the minimum number of units is 5700 points ...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 19:52
And has entirely too many leaders...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 20:12
IE all the core validation happens inside the Battalion SE, not inside the RSE ... :smile: :+1:
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 20:29
@OftKilted #156 has been addressed and closed.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 24 2018 20:46
@/all, Regarding Forgeworld units, I believe that where possible, they should go into the appropriate Allegiance cat, not a separate one. I.e. all the Skaven in Monstrous Arcanum go into Skaven, the Monsters of Chaos go in that cat, etc. Thoughts?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 20:54
Agreed
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 21:14
@Mad-Spy I think that they should go into the appropriate cat. Just need to have any limitations put onto them as needed. Eg Mourngul can be in a Nighthaunt or Death Army ... but not in a Grand Host of Nagash Army ...
And by appropriate, I mean not a separate forgeworld cat
We have fewer issues with forgeworld units ... because there are both fewer of them.
And they’re not as “broken” as in 40k
Tamurkhan’s Horde into the NURGLE catalog?
Or a separate cat?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 21:22
Interestingly enough ... the Chaos War Mammoth in the Tamurkhan’s Horde battletome can’t take either Nurgle or Tamurkhan’s Horde Allegiance ... it has to take Slaves to Darkness
And the Giant Chaos Spawn can take NURGLE, Tzeentch, Khorne or Slaanesh
@alphalas I think I’ve got a solution for the Battalion validation that doesn’t cause duplicate categories... (doesn’t look pretty ... but c’est la vie ...)
And it does Leader, Battleline, Behemoth etc. tracking ....
:grin:
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 22:31
@Mad-Spy The Carmine Dragon is in the Order catalog. That is the only Order Forge World model that I know of.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 22:33
The Dread Saurian should be in the SERAPHON catalog
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 24 2018 22:35
@OftKilted Oh yeah. The Dread Saurian is already in the Seraphon catalog. Only two Forgeworld models that I know of. :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 22:35
:laughing:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 24 2018 22:35
I want to get a dread saurian but hot damn even recast it’s expensive
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 24 2018 22:37
And the one ... no two units of ORDER Forge World catalogs ... are fear ... surprise and ruthless efficiency ...
Wait ...
I’ll come in again ...
And an almost fanatical Devotion to Sigmar!