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Mar 2018
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 01:32
So .... Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch & Chaos Familiars has the 'ARCANITES' (plural) keyword ... but the standard 'Gaunt Summoner' in the DoT book only has 'ARCANITE' (singular) ... Are we treating issues like this as 'identical'? (I can't find an FAQ on it ...)
@/all So .... Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch & Chaos Familiars has the 'ARCANITES' (plural) keyword ... but the standard 'Gaunt Summoner' in the DoT book only has 'ARCANITE' (singular) ... Are we treating issues like this as 'identical'? (I can't find an FAQ on it ...)
i.e. Is the 'ARCANITES' version unable to take 'ARCANITE' spell lores/etc? (that does seem pedantic and stupid)
tekton
@tekton
Mar 30 2018 01:57
...i'm not sure how to respond to that besides a face/palm really
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Mar 30 2018 06:13
BLOODLETERR
BLOODLETTERS have the same problem. The Heralds are BLOODLETTER, the unit is plural. I've labelled them as per the book, but I think they are intended to be functionally the same.
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 07:48
Hello
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 10:37
@Mad-Spy Okay, That sounds like a reasonable way to go. I think the “ARCANITES” situation occurred due to the original release of the Silver Tower pdf, pre-DoT battletome. All the new release minis had ARCANITES in the pdf. But the GS and Chaos Familiars wasn’t redone as a Warscroll.
Even though all of the other units were redone and had the keyword changed to ARCANITE
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 19:52
Im trying to set my "wood elves" army for tomorrow with the actual AoS v2.0 ... and I am not checking the system why I cannot build my army as I want
I am not firm in the new System with Allies and so ... As I started playing I had the Wood Elves ... and now I have Wanderers and Wood Elves and I cannot combine it as I want!?
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:04
or a bug in wood elves and wanderer ... who takes care of that? I will not edit anything in the hidden-freatures because I am not sure if it is correct
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:05
Technically, if it is a bug in your catalog ... then you would be the person fixing it.
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:07
I am not sure I am the person who takes care on it anymore g Since the last time I was working on that it seems anybody was diligent on wood elves and wanderer
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:07
If Wood Elves are a Compendium Battletome, they are not permitted to take Allies, because they have no approved Allies list. And they are not available as Allies to any other faction. (This is standard for the Compendium battletome Factions.)
@rweyrauch and @FreylisUK have been working on issues for the ORDER Faction
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:08
I have talked to a friend who is very firm with the rules and he told me that Wood Elves and Wanderer are seen as the same army.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:09
Wanderers and Wood Elves are separate factions
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:11
I don't know what I should do with this information :(
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:12
I have this pds
pdf
But this makes no sense ... there is only one Battleline in this Compendium
And if I use the Wanderer Army to have the Glade Guards its not possible to use the Glade Lord on Forest Dragon, because of the Allies Point Limit?
tekton
@tekton
Mar 30 2018 20:15
glad to know my german isn't so awful- i got the end and THEN realized it wasn't in English...
I'm not sure why only a single battleline is bad/not right?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:15
I believe they are listed as separate factions, and the Wood Elves don’t have the “WANDERER” keyword
They only have Aelf
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:17
So I should build an Aelf Army to choose Wanderer and Wood Elves as I know it from before GH17?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:17
WANDERERS have an Allegiance Keyword, and Artefacts
If you want to use the Wanderers Artefacts and Allegiance Abilities, then you would need to build a WANDERER Army.
Ie they would need to have the WANDERER keyword.
the Wood Elf battletome doesn’t have that keyword
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:19
And if I just want to play as I know before and combinate Wood Elves and Wanderer as I want?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:20
Then you would use the ORDER Allegiance Abilities and Battletraits
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:22
I am really overwhelmed with these new rules
As I started with warhammer a few years ago it was just "thats my army book and combine it without using to much points"
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:24
If you play an ORDER Grand Alliance Army you can use any Order units you want. You just don’t get the benefit of the special faction rules and items.
If you limit yourself to a specific faction, then you get better additional rules.
Not all factions have those additional rules.
WANDERERS has rules, Sylvaneth has Rules. Wood Elves do not.
(These are the fancy additional Allegiance Abilities)
You don’t need them to play a game of AoS.
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:27
Okay ... I understand
And if I choose Grand Alliance: Order (v62) i should already be able to choose or is that not working at the moment because of the splitting of the files?
So I just add wanderer und wood elves and ignore the failures to build my army (and check the content of the cat files - because that is something I can still do)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:29
Okay. When creating your army you would have multiple forces at the root level. IE a force that doesn’t have Allies
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:29
mhm
hm ... whats also seems to work to choose a wanderer army and use wood elves for allies
but than I there are point limits (1000pts = 200 allies, 2000 = 400 allies?)
and the wood elves allies doesn't show all units
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:39
okay ... my german speaking friend has now reread the rules and confirmed it g thats good because I am playing in team with him tomorrow gg
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:46
Wood Elves can’t be Allies, and don’t have any units that qualify to be their Allies
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:46
ah okay... I thougt because it was possible to choose
I have now added two root forces: wanderer und wood elves and build my army
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:47
Can you make your Army as WANDERERS?
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:47
and make content quality check
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:47
Okay, if you have both as root forces you would have to select “allegiance: Order”
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:48
is selected in both
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 20:50
Then you are fine.
And you would create your army regularly
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 20:51
mhm
will it in the future be possible to choose only one root force (order or aelf or something else) so that the valid check works correct?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:08
Correct. The catalogs are just tools to help get a valid Army. But you have to know your rules. And the rules for your Allegiances work and what qualifies to be in an army
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:10
Thanks for the patience with me ... I am just learning it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:10
I don’t know what the validation error is, and without knowing what the error is, I don’t know if can be corrected
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:10
oh thats simple:
in the moment I have two root forces and for every root force he tells me I need 3 battlines and 1 leader
thats because I have asked if it will be possibe to choose one root force which contains all order units for example to build a grand alliance
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:12
That sounds like we’re attempting a validation on “Force” and not “Roster”
So that should be fixable.
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:12
:)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:13
A roster is composed of multiple forces.
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:13
is it possible to direct add a screenshot here?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:14
If a force can take an allied force, then it would be the roster is a “Parent Force” with a “Child Force” where the child force is the ally
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:14
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OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:16
I’ll take a quick look... verify that you have the most up to date GST ... some of that is configured there
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:17
I have synced before building
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:18
I need to get to a computer to look at the catalogs. :laughing:
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:18
gggg
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:18
What is gggg?
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:19
g stands for grin
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:22
Ah ha!
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:33
should I increase the revision number also on very small bug fixes? content failure
Cupropituvanso Draco
@Cupropituvanso
Mar 30 2018 21:42
I have not increased it because I have only changed two words ... I will leave now ... I will check the chat again in 11 hours (after sleep ^^)
bye
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 21:50
Okay, if there are actual bug fixes, then increasing the number is good
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 22:02
@Cupropituvanso Your issue was not in the catalog, but in the GST. I've opened #226 so we can get that issue resolved. Thanks for finding the issue.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 22:17
And #226 is done. @Cupropituvanso You'll want to download the updated Age of Sigmar.gst (v.24)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 22:58
@rweyrauch something in #224 is conflicting :worried:
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Mar 30 2018 23:01
I'll remerge. The
patch merged cleanly this morning.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 23:47
I was merging in order .... (other than a gst change) and stuff got wonky.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 30 2018 23:55
@rweyrauch It looks like Sylvaneth is your unhappy file.