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22nd
Apr 2018
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Apr 22 2018 00:54
@OftKilted I'll finish up the Everchosen tonight.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 22 2018 00:58
@rweyrauch Sweet! We’re closing in on the finish line! :+1:
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Apr 22 2018 01:35
@OftKilted I just pushed an update to Everchosen adding the details for the WS battalions. The end is near.
tekton
@tekton
Apr 22 2018 03:46
apparently it's useful when i actually open pull requests...
tekton
@tekton
Apr 22 2018 04:20
I’ll get those open tomorrow when I’m back at a real connection
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 15:46

I'm getting along quite well with the Idoneth, more experienced people feel free to have a glance at my branch to make sure I am doing the right thing, a couple of questions regarding battalions. Having read through the implementation guide it talks about battalions enforcing unit profiles but cant see that being done (other than words in the battalion)

Also are there any examples of:
1) Battalions with units from other factions?
2) Battalions Limits modified by conclaves (40k chapter tactics equivalent)?

mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 16:34
Also is there any way to modify constraints similar to things like points?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 22 2018 17:08
@mdtm1g14 With the current implementation one can add additional “root” units. However, due to the present implementation of battalions, No.
Battalion validation isn’t required for our initial 2.0 release.
What is your specific “battalion limits modified” inquiry? (I haven’t seen that needed for any of the other factions.)
What kind of constraints modifications? (Ie what are you trying to do.)
For the cross faction battalions we will need to take a look at it specifically. Is it a specific unit or units? Or “any Order unit” type of battalion constraint?
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 17:53

@OftKilted The constraints modifications were mainly because of things like musician but I have seen how other similar instances have been handled.

For the Battalion Limits, when you have an Idoneth army you pick an enclave and each one of those increases one of the limits in a battalion, e.g changes a unit limit from 2-4 to 2-6

The Cross faction battalion includes Idoneth along with a Treelord Ancient, Branchwych and two units of Dryads from the Sylvaneth
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Apr 22 2018 17:56
Use a Set max to 6 modifier with a condition of at least 1 'conclave'. That should work.
We're still not sure how we're going to enforce cross cat battalions.
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 18:02
@Mad-Spy I think I am missing something here but how are battalions currently enforced?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 22 2018 18:03
So, Seraphon, Skaven, Tzeentch and Legions of Nagash (the last one being not an optimal example) all do Battalion validation. However, they are entirely self-contained battalions.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Apr 22 2018 18:04
I'll catch up when I get to Dublin in an hour
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 22 2018 18:05
(Nothing is currently used outside of what is in the catalog.)
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 18:07
@OftKilted Ahh perfect, thats how I thought is would be done but didn't see anything like that in the Khorne cat. For the constraints, e.g. max 3 in parent, can you add a modifier to that as I cant see a way to do it?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 22 2018 18:29
There isn’t anything like it in most of the catalogs. (It’s also not a planned part of the 2.0 release
I’d actually recommend doing the constraints descriptions like we did in the Khorne catalog. (And we can discuss the issues surrounding cross-catalog validation with units that aren’t in the main catalog.) I haven’t seen the new Idoneth battletome myself
In the Khorne catalog they are manual descriptions with no validation.
It is quite possible to do constraints in battalions. One would do those as an SSEG and constraints in the SSEG.
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 18:34
Adding the constraints is fine it's just modifying that I wasn't sure how to do
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 22 2018 18:42
Once you input them, you’re adding the modifiers at the same level.
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 18:48
Gotcha all good now :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 22 2018 20:28
@mdtm1g14 the enclaves look like they would be ... kind of like the Legions of Nagash Soulblight bloodlines.
It almost looks like they have some “if instance of <specific enclave” rules that will also modify command traits.
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 20:39
Yeah there is one with
A command trait and two with spells, I will have a look into how to do it, but may do
Three options with only one visible
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 22 2018 20:41
I’d say that doing a Hide if 0 selections of <Faction:Idoneth : Enclave x
You don’t want to do a Hide by default
It breaks in Mobile
You’re better with a Hide if not or hide if
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 20:43
@OftKilted thanks, didn't realize that, will make a few adjustments to what I have done then
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
Apr 22 2018 22:05
When do the Idoneth need to be done by ideally?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Apr 22 2018 22:55
When they’re complete.
They just got released this weekend. So it’s not a serious issue
We’ve been working on the other catalogs for several months. If they’re ready when we have the other catalogs finished, great! If it isn’t complete... it’s okay. We will release it when it is ready.
We are all volunteers. We do the best job we can, with limited resources. :) and we are all appreciative of your assistance.