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May 2018
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 00:00
@tekton hey now, that was awesome work on rather short notice! We have the fixed deployed and get to deal with the next round of requests/bugs
@rweyrauch Regarding the painting thread, I find that it’s a help to set at least some kind of goal. It’s helped me get a bunch painted ... I may not have anywhere near as much done from a overall set of models ... but I’m pleased with what I end up with completed
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
May 31 2018 00:29
@OftKilted I'm trying to find the
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
May 31 2018 00:47
right balence between goals and fun.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
May 31 2018 02:27
@OftKilted I just pledged to paint my Stormcast backlog on TGA. I am now committed lest I be publicly mocked and humiliated.
tekton
@tekton
May 31 2018 03:15
Where is this thread? Link?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 03:49
@rweyrauch The painting forum group never mocks. We're all there to support each other in our painting endeavors.
@tekton Feel free to join in the monthly AoS painting contract, it's a friendly group of folks.
tekton
@tekton
May 31 2018 03:51
I go back to AoS right after my "Oasis of Armageddon" army is done for WarGamesCon :)
much green paint will be used...
@OftKilted my Death army is "on hold" until after the new version comes out and I decide what I really want to double down on
at some point a giant turtle will be painted, and treelords will sprout forth...but until then skeleton and orruks
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 10:49
My seraphon are being painted by my buddy (even though it looks like I’m going to be adding a bunch of stuff to it lol)
I have a starter detachment of stormcast I want to expand but I really have no idea how I want to do so
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 10:50
Well.. there is that new wizards chamber that will be released shortly. With lightning Artillery
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 10:52
Yeahhhhh
There are just so many directions you can go with SCE
dragon cav? Check
Super-shooty? Check
Beat ‘im with blunt weapons? Check
Slice them up all nice and pretty? Check
And now MAGIC? Check
It’s picking a direction that compliments the lizards that I’m having a hard time with
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 10:56
Artillery. And a Lord Ordinatur
Unless you’ve already got Artillery
Seriously ... lightning guns Frances
FTW
Stupid autocorrect ...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 10:59
Yeah arty is the one thing lizards have very little of in good quality and quantity
Our only fire support is razordons/salamanders and basis/stegs
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 11:00
The Lord Ordinatur Herald is also solid
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 11:01
Yeah but doesn’t he affect war machines?
I have exactly 0 of those
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 11:36
I believe that the Artillery from the new chamber classified as warmachine
If you’re trying to fill in gaps in your army
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 11:37
:+1:
So probably wanna go that way ok
I have lots of saurus knights so I was trying to avoid SCE cav
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 11:40
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/05/15/15th-may-faction-focus-stormcast-eternalsgw-homepage-post-3/ “The Celestar Ballista
The Celestar Ballista is the first ever Stormcast Eternals war machine. The Sacrosanct Chamber isn’t just made up of mages and mystics, but also engineers – the Lord-Ordinator was just a hint of what’s to come…”
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 11:42
Sexy
I might do that, the big crossbow dudes, maybe the mage bowmen
Hmm
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 12:00
And the complexity of how we handle points incrementing has come back to bite us in the tail. #426
The unit looks like it should be 140 in the roster, but when added in it jumps to 240
Sorry 280
tekton
@tekton
May 31 2018 13:14
@OftKilted I actually figured out what I did wrong on a few of those in the editor, it’s a weird UI inconsistency with java
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 14:17
@tekton It still points to making things as simple as possible to make any kind of troubleshooting easy. (as proposed by @alphalas )
tekton
@tekton
May 31 2018 14:19
The way the allies work as children detachments means that until BattleScribe is fixed we kind of have to do point this way though :(
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 14:23
Why?
The BS bug is that points don’t update in a child initially, but do on reload
tekton
@tekton
May 31 2018 14:25
True, but most people aren’t really going to do that- we might be ok with it, but there’s enough workflows that it not working on building isn’t going to fly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 14:30
That is fair
HOWEVER
as I’ve pointed out previously
Inserting a ton of logic just for a minor BS bug is, well, bordering on silly
ESPECIALLY when it’s one that’s going to be fixed in the next BS build (probably)
Speaking of
I’m going to go invoke the Jon on Twitter
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 14:33
@oftkilted perks up. Really?
What’s up that you need to wake the sleeping giant?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 14:34
Just so we can settle the child detachment points thing
Because I’m tired of seeing that bug lol
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
May 31 2018 14:35
Asking as someone new to AoS, how many people use allies, and does the roster have to be reloaded every time something in the allies changes?
Retweet for effect por favor lol
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 14:40
@tekton interestingly enough ... I’m not seeing the points bug for leader/hero units?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 14:40
@mdtm1g14 currently it would appear so; previously it didn’t
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 14:40
At least on mobile
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 14:44
Hence my point of it’s an obvious bug that@JonSkichov can fix
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
May 31 2018 14:46
In that case my thoughts are leaving it until it is fixed, although we can always start to implement in a new branch so it is ready to go when / soon after the bug is fixed
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 14:50
@mdtm1g14 It's an issue on desktop, definitely not an issue on mobile for iOS that I can see.
And anything to make managing the points related issues for the catalogs easier is going to be good.
One catalog ... sure. No issue. All of the 30+ catalogues we have ... not necessarily fun. (I believe it may put the 'fu' in fun ... )
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 31 2018 14:59
The bug doesn't just happen in child detachments, it has happened to me in some 40k stuff with unit options. I'll have a model kitted out and duplicate it two or three times, only to have one of them double in cost from the points jumping up.
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
May 31 2018 15:00
I understand that we want it as easy as possible for us to maintain so I guess it's a case of how long a fix would take, and whether it is worth making changes before AoS v2 (which should be very soon) and we may have to redo everything anyway. Also if it is a change we are going to make eventually what is the issue with holding it in a separate branch before it is ready to release. The users are going to spend a lot more time with this than us so we have to make it as good for them as possible
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 15:01
I'm voting that any changes take place as part of standard maintenance, and doing anything like that as part of the move to the AoS v2 which is coming next month would be sensible.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
May 31 2018 15:02
I agree with @mdtm1g14. Until the BS bug is fixed, we should keep the points workaround in place. Users do not care about the details, they just want the tool to do the right thing. If we have to kludge the points to make that work then so be it.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 15:02
@rweyrauch That being said ... it doesn't appear to affect mobile.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
May 31 2018 15:02
I'm holding off on points changes in Order until AoS 2.0 is released.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 15:03
@rweyrauch Yep. Don't muck with that at all until AoS v2.0 comes out.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
May 31 2018 15:03
@OftKilted Really. Only desktop? That may change the calculus.
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
May 31 2018 15:03
@OftKilted if the problem persists then have the new work around as a mobile specific system like there was in 40k at one point?
That can then be implemented as the full one when the bug is fixed
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 15:03
Use Seraphon as an example.
@alphalas I believe did the entire catalog setup with the 'new method' functionality instead of version we have in the guidelines. (he's a rebel.)
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
May 31 2018 15:06
What exactly is the bug?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 15:06
@alphalas Am I remembering that your seraphon catalog was entirely with the 'easy method' for points?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 31 2018 15:09
@OftKilted it all should be, yes
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 15:10
@alphalas Care to clarify the bug for @mdtm1g14 and @rweyrauch ?
Because I don't see the issue with points and unit issues on Mobile. (specifically iOS)
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
May 31 2018 15:10
@OftKilted OK just check I think the issue is the other way round, the Seraphon allies work on Desktop but not on mobile having tried them now
Also closing and reopening the roster didn't solve it
BTW I am on an Android Tablet
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 15:11
So ... what are you doing? If I create a list (on iOS) and then add allies to it I don't see any issues.
Is there an updated version of the BS client for Android?
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
May 31 2018 15:13
@OftKilted I added Seraphon Allies to an order roster, added Saurus Guard and Rpperdactyl Riders and the points went up as expected, however when adding models to either unit did not change the points
I updated BS yesterday
The issue does not appear with Idoneth (which I did using the method in the guide)
Closing the entire BS app and reopening updated the points but needed to be done for every change
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 15:17
@alphalas Thoughts? The points incrementing does show up on iOS. (The initial MSU unit shows up fine. The subsequent increment in unit size does not.
mdtm1g14
@mdtm1g14
May 31 2018 15:19
Also (although I am sure this is not an issue that has come from us) the edit forces function on desktop is severely playing up
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 15:33
I just opened BattleScribe/Release#11 for @JonSkichov
@alphalas Does that report get all of the error issue wrapped up? Or did I miss something?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
May 31 2018 22:13
Disappointed. No AoS second edition preview at UK Games Expo.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 22:14
Well... :poop:
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
May 31 2018 22:15
They m
Stupid mobile. They might have some models apparently.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 31 2018 22:17
At least they finally put the absolutely huge Khorne Dragon up at the last major event.