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Jun 2018
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 00:55
So are you guys going to be implementing the extra artifacts from realm choice? (Malign Sorcery book)
regardless of realm played in, you choose a realm of origin for your dudes and it gives them two extra artifact tables (1 for weapon, 1 for other stuff)
which are taken in addition to allegiance ones
I got to peruse through the open copies of them at my local today, and finished my trade for beastclaws/ogors, so I now officially play destruction :P
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 00:57
As soon as there’s a book or leak we should be, yes
@WindstormSCR if you find destruction issues let me know ;)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 00:58
will do
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 00:58
Also, welcome to the Clan of Destruction! Where the points don’t matter, just like every other faction!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 00:58
the only ones I've found so far are battalions disappearing when destruction allegiance set
even though from everything I've read you can still take stuff like kunnin rukk or eurlbad in a destro army
I'm sad they took out the points for a gutbuster wartribe :(
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 01:01
That’s funny someone told me the opposite which is why they hide :f
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 01:01
looking it up now
@tekton its only stuff like the warclan ones or the svard/olwyr alfrostuns that are allegiance specific
the skal/eurlbad/torrbad/jorbad can be used inside a destro army
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 01:03
Interesting, ok- I’ll take a look tonight/tomorrow and get it cleaned up for the 2.0 branch at least
Reference for my own sake and play groups?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 01:04
from what I can tell, the "Beastclaw raiders" on the battalion sheet just specifies which faction they belong to, it doesn't mandate an allegiance to use them
nothing in the preface of the section denies thier use in regular games
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 01:05
Huh ok- wonder if generals handbook had a weird override someone was mis remembering
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 01:05
the only thing allegiance covers is battle traits, command traits, and atrefacts of power
its on the same page but is an equal-weight header and a separate section saying "here is how battalions work again if you have the memory of a goldfish, or a grot"
so even I was wrong and you can use the full warclans in destro (not that you would, but you could)
its mostly an issue with Ironjawz and Bonesplitterz
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 01:09
There’s a few battalion things I keep meaning to clean up, now that my Knights are mostly done I will have a bit more time
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 01:10
so what I got today plus the stuff I'm picking up saturday is 3240 points of ogors/bcr
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 01:15
Nice! They look awesome together imo
I’ve got about 2.5k of ironjawz to try to finish up in July before starting on more Tau
Any thoughts on your paint scheme?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 01:26
@WindstormSCR So ... the core for the malign sorcery stuff is in ... I just didn't relish the idea of typing them all in.
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 01:27
@OftKilted if you got screen shots or a reference I can ;)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 01:27
Artefacts in particular. But they're all there all selections.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 01:36
That's what I have. Realm artefacts and fighting in realms. and core allegiance
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 01:43
When I get back tonight I will see what I can get through
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 01:47
They're all in the GST.
I've got to update it. So give me a bit.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 01:54
I'm still laughing at the idea of flying stonehorns with 12" moves
or flying stonehorns with the ability to fly over things and mortal wound them
If that's actually better than taking battle brew I have no idea, but it amuses me
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 02:02
stupid question time
damage: I'm used to 40k where it doesn't roll over, but in AoS/AoS 2.0 it does if I'm reading this right?
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 02:03
@OftKilted I’m not back until after 9pm if you want to get anything in the gst before I branch
@WindstormSCR yes, normal damage spills over like 40k mortals, makes big guys worth it
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 02:03
neat
chaintrap is 3 flat damage, nice to know
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 02:03
Thus why I need/want a maw’krusha :sparkles:
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 02:03
plus the idea of a mammoth rider hurling a beartrap into a mob of dudes is just fun
yeah, maw-krusha is one of the reasons I gave up on pure BCR
probably going a mix of GB/BCR mostly, but a few ironjawz in there for heavier armor work
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 02:05
Brutes and ardboyZ do ‘dey t’ing well ‘nogh
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 02:06
Realms.pdf
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 02:07
@tekton its mostly for targets like other ogors and stuff where they're 4w models and I need more rend. Ironguts are nice, but I need more consistency probably to handle packs of big stuff
so brutes with the reroll hits vs 4+w are nice
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 02:08
Brutes are more fun to paint than they should be...
For one of our narrative games we gave them “red goes faster” ...so I painted their toe nails red, and was awarded an extra 1” of movement anytime I moved :)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 02:09
I'm planning to do mine really pale with semi-savage orc warpaint
so they fit in with the beastclaws
(main boss of the whole thing will be the frostlord)
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 02:11
Just go full on frost orruk?!
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 02:11
haven't seen paint examples, but if its what I think it is that's the idea
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 02:19
@tekton There's a PDF at full resolution if you'd like to stare at it.
in the link above
Instead of just pics.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 02:20
@OftKilted its only got 1 image
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 02:21
Not that one.
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 04:44
i did not realize it was thursday already...
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 05:02
at this point i might as well get the epub tomorrow, for some reason i thought it was earlier in the week lol
tekton
@tekton
Jun 29 2018 05:27
@OftKilted ended up doing the destruction command and artefact updates instead- there's a pull request for updating the gst
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 10:45
@tekton @rweyrauch @FreylisUK @alphalas https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/aos-monstrous-arcanum.pdf Forgeworld updated
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 10:54
Bunches of points and rule changes
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 11:15
Chaos Spawn, Mammoth, Sayl/Nightmaw were actually pulled from the Horde and moved to Monstrous Arcanum
Well gigantic chaos Spawn
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 11:22
Wow... Legion of Azgorh now has an allies table...
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 12:14
@OftKilted Cool, I'll see if I can get some time to take a look at this over the weekend.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 12:51
@/all Any thoughts On timeframe for our first v2.0 release timeframe? (E.g. Before or after Forgeworld?) All GHB Units For Chaos/Destruction/Death have been updated. Death FAQ’s are in progress.
@mdtm1g14 There was an faq on Idoneth Points
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 13:12
And other than Idoneth and Forgeworld all points have been listed as accounted for.
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Jun 29 2018 13:49
I just pushed updates for the Order FW models (Carmine Dragon and Dread Saurian).
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Jun 29 2018 13:55
@/all We can release the initial 2.0 catalogs after we have updated all of the points. Updated abilities, artefacts, etc can be release shortly there after. I need a bit more time with the GHB 2018. New SE and Nighthaunt Battletomes are on the way as well. The SE changes for Chambers look interesting.
Edit: Stormhosts not Chambers
WindstormSCR @WindstormSCR toots a sad trombone for loss of the gutbuster wartribe
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 14:15
@OftKilted I'd like to at least have a proper look a the GHB myself before committing to a release. Not that I don't trust scans on the internet but, well...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 14:16
@FreylisUK Well hurry on down to your FLGS or GW and get that copy! Releases are waiting! Don't delay! Offer expires while you wait! Our Operators are Standing By! (Offer void except where prohibited by law or otherwise taxed.)
@rweyrauch @FreylisUK @Mad-Spy New FW Points updates available ...
Oh ... and now with Tamurkhan's Horde ... you can give your army that came in the Nurgle Maggotkin battletome the 'Tamurkhan's Horde' keyword ... they get an additional Allegiance Ability, at the cost of having to choose a specific Command Trait for the general, and their First Artefact must be a Daemon Flask.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 14:23
So ... that allegiance ability ... -1 to run and -1 to charge rolls for your opponent.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 16:21
Interesting ... an additional limitation on Tamurkhan’s Horde “Any Nurgle unit (with the exception of named characters other than Tamurkhan himself and his lieutenant, Kazyk) can be used with Tamurkhan’s Horde – you could field a monstrous horde of Bile Troggoths backed up by Pusgoyle Blightlords. By the same token, any Tamurkhan’s Horde unit can fight under the Nurgle allegiance. There are even warscroll battalions to structure your collection.” https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/06/29/29th-june-a-monster-update-from-forge-worldfw-homepage-post-1/
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jun 29 2018 19:16
has anyone seen if there are generic skaven allegiance traits? or is it still skryre and pestilens only?
trying to help a friend who's thinking about getting back in with his rats
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:19
Just working through the Tamurkhan's Horde changes. It's much, much simpler to use them now given that they're treated like any other Nurgle unit, but I wish I'd have known that before previously adding in all of the validation for them...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:19
@FreylisUK Not exactly like ... they can't have any Nurgle Named Heroes
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:20
No, but the validation is far simpler and only done on a few units rather than everything.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:20
Heh heh. You should take a look at my Skaven and Legions Of Nagash validation ...
Keep in mind that we're depreciating the 1000/2000/2500 point versions of 'Pitched Battle' in regards to Allies.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:21
Actually, they can take named Nurgle heroes, it's just that those heroes don't get the Tamurkhan's Horde keyword.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:21
I 'stole' the SID for the 2500 point version for the new 'Allies' profile.
Nope.
They can't take it AND keep Tamurkan's Horde allegiance
If they do, they are just NURGLE alliance, and don't get the additional Tamurkhan's Horde benefits.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:22
After you have chosen the Maggotkin
of Nurgle allegiance for your army,
you can give it the Tamurkhan’s
Horde keyword. All Maggotkin
of Nurgle units in your army gain
that keyword (with the exception of
named characters that do not already
have the Tamurkhan’s Horde
keyword on their warscroll). All
units with that keyword benefit from
the allegiance abilities listed below,
in addition to the allegiance abilities
in Battletome: Maggotkin of Nurgle.
Excuse crappy formatting.
Also: Designer’s Note: A Tamurkhan’s
Horde army can include any of the
units from Battletome: Maggotkin
of Nurgle, as well as any of the units
in this Compendium.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:24
So ... what happens when your units ALL don't meet the requirements for an Allegiance?
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:25
They're still Maggotkin of Nurgle.
At least that's how it reads.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:25
(with the exception of named characters that do not already have the Tamurkhan’s Horde keyword on their warscroll).
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:25
It doesn't say 'change the Maggotkin of Nurgle allegiance to Tamurkhan's Horde'
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:25
The Named Characters that do not already have tamurkhan's Horde keyword on their warscroll do not gain it.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:26
No, but the army allegiance is still Maggotkin of Nurgle - at least in terms of RAW.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:26
So, if you don't meet the requirements for TAMURKHAN'S HORDE allegiance, you don't get the allegiance abilities.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:27
In totality? Or just the units that don't have that keyword?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:27
In totality.
Think standard allegiance.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:27
So like 40k then.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:27
You actually can't have them in your army, because there are no allies lists for Tamurkhan's Horde.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:27
Okay, so if a player selects the Tamurkhan's Horde allegiance, I need to hide all of the Maggotkin named heroes?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:27
Yep.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:27
Easy enough :smile:
But not vice versa as I'm reading it...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:28
Yep, that's right.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:28
Cool beans,.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:28
They just don't get the -1 to charge/run benefit and the other allegiance traits.
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:28
That's fine, it's pretty trivial to add that validation step.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 20:29
You also need to restrict the command abilities/traits available to Tamurkhan's Horde and make a required artefact
:+1:
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:48
Yep, done that. It was just the Maggotkin heroes I needed to hide.
Before I check this, what do I need to do to the catalogue support the new method for pitched battles?
Simon Barlow
@FreylisUK
Jun 29 2018 20:58
Alright, I've created a pull request in #529 for my changes. I haven't changed the Pitched Battle validation stuff yet but I can do that over the next couple of days.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 21:04
So .... basically Nothing.... the bad news is that because I stole the Pitched Battle (2500) guid, That list version doesn’t work for allies validation or hiding
We should probably do a cleanup of the other two in-use guids for anything doing an “instance of allies” or “not an instance of allies”
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jun 29 2018 23:01
@FreylisUK So ... minor issue ... PBK's aren't Battleline in Tamurkhan's Horde allegiance.
Or are they ... wow that's a messy battletome reference
So ... is a TH army a separate allegiance? Or not Forgeworld ...
Wow ... that's just messy looking.
Anyone have any idea where the Chaos Siege Giant and Mammoth are?
Rick Weyrauch
@rweyrauch
Jun 29 2018 23:29
@OftKilted I don't think the Chaos Siege Giant is a supported AoS model. The only Chaos giant is in the Chaos - Chaos Gargant catalog.
@OftKilted Scratch that. The Chaos Siege Giant is in the Legion of Azgorh catalog.
The Chaos War Mammoth is in the Slaves to Darkness catalog.