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Jul 2018
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 00:56
@OftKilted Reikenor the Grimhailer looks more like how Arkhan is described in the books in a way...and once I have extra cash for minis again he's going in my death army :P
Kurdoss Valentian sounds...interesting
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 01:18
MTO tomb kings? welp, I might grab khalida to paint up
and hope it doesn't drive me into a chinacast TK army
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 01:24
I'm sad I have no money for them this time around :( I expect an amazing construction and paint job so I can live vicariously through your TK army :P
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jul 09 2018 02:52
@tekton Reikenor was the nail in the coffin for my wallet. That model pushed me over the edge into buying into AoS lol
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 05:36
so i'm not 100% sure the Malign Portents rules for being able to take a harbinger as a general when they're an ally still applies in the world of GHB18...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 10:56
@tekton check the malign portents errata, it was updated the same time as all the other 2.0 errata
i was looking at that last night because I'm looking at using the cave-shaman
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 13:52
I’m assuming it is, but there’s been some questions in one of the TO groups and a GW designer seemed to think that MP didn’t apply anymore ./shrug
Also they’re not listed on their warscrolls which is making it a bit more difficult in some cases :(
@WindstormSCR I know the cave shaman can be taken again in BattleScribe ;) it used to work, not sure why it got changed but it does indeed work again. It may or may not be the next model I’m painting for AoS...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:08
I need to make a bugreport, but the skaven skryre sub-elements (arkhspark and gautfyre) can be taken without taking clan skryre itself, that got confirmed recently
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:09
@WindstormSCR Where did that “get confirmed”?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:10
General FAQ regarding battlaions that are listed in the GHB while being sub battalions of a larger set. I'll go find the bits before I bugreport it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:11
It’s not a Battalion. It’s an Enginecoven
If it was “officially” a Warscroll Battalion the Skryre Battalion would be broken because each of the engine covens would give a Command Point and an Artefact ...
But I’d be interested in the faq
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:12
It wouldn't surprise me because rats and also GW's ability to write rules
the questions came up because of how the new stormcast tome is arranged
probably because people are terrible at reading, as usual
doing BSdata dev work has not given me much faith in humanity or various educational systems regarding people's ability to read or think critically
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:15
So the new battletome actually lists all the SCE Warscroll battalions as “Warscroll Battalions”
As they are Warscroll battalions they follow the rules of Warscroll Batalions ... they’re just “smaller mega battalions” which is different than the Enginecovens ... as they explicitly list as Enginecovens and not Warscroll Battalions.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:17
hmmm
seems like in this case GW covered thier bases well then
@tekton you still need to fix ironjaws batts not showing when GA:dest is selected ;p
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:19
The total Junk about the new SCE book is that they basically are getting artefact and Command point bonuses.
Because of all the Warscroll battalions
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:23
well, the only real cheap one is the hailstorm
and the others got nerfed
I was looking forward to vanguard wings, but those got blown out
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:25
So, am I missing something, or do you still think we need to change the Skaven Enginecovens?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:26
I think that the arguments that I was looking at didn't hold up on closer scrutiny, leave them as is
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:27
Reddit or elsewhere?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:31
elsewhere, an interpretation of some of the recent 2.0 FAQs that doesn't hold up
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:33
Well, I’m always open to be proven wrong. Even if I’m invested in my own opinion. We’re not “rules lawyers” ... it can sometimes be hard to remember that.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:34
where is the skryre stuff even printed
trying to find what the source is that isn't a bad picture
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:34
The “Grand Alliance: Chaos” softcover Book
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:35
ty
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:36
Pages 256-259
Basically the Enginecovens are a “component list” under the overall “Clan Skryre” Warscroll Battalion. They don’t have individual sheets
Alex Baur
@acebaur
Jul 09 2018 15:43
Nighthaunt also lists them as warscroll battalions
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:45
@acebaur Yep, so that wouldn’t be affected either.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:46
different question for today: most effective artillery available for destruction? between ironblaster, rock lobber, and doom diver
That’s a solid image of the page in question
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:47
and assuming ~240pts available for them, so 2 of any (battery rules for the second two may be relevant)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:51
The doom diver is a fun Grot themed model, along with the rock lobbed. Make sure to grab an Orc Bully...
They make them work better (at least used to)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 15:53
they just prevent battleshock casualties
and the bully is part of the lobber kit
basically the diver does D3, D6 if in battery with rend -1, lobber is static 3 rend -2 and may fire twice if in battery on hit of 6
ironblaster is single model with a better save/wounds, and -2 always D6
doom diver has a coinflip (4+) to hit a different target if it misses the original though
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 15:58
Ahh they changed it. It used to be that the orc bully gave you the change to the D6
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 16:13
thinking ironblaster is the best, but for grot armies the diver is best
the scraplauncher is just bad
nasty damage potential but so many conditionals and hoops its just silly
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 16:17
And it can be taken as an ally
In some armies
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 17:30
@OftKilted do you know where the rule is that doesn't allow warscroll battalions in allies?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 17:37
So .... technically you can have Warscroll battalions in Allies. As long as you can fit all their points and units in the Battalion in the Allies points and unit allotment
That second piece “unit allotment” is the real killer.
It’s a faq ... give me a moment
Core FAQ “Q: The rules say that a warscroll battalion can include allies and that they don’t count against the number of allies in the army. Does this rule only apply to battalions that share the same allegiance as the army, but that have units from two different factions (a battalion in a Daughters of Khaine army that has Daughters of Khaine and Stormcast Eternals units, for example)?
A: Yes. The faction a warscroll battalion belongs to is shown on its warscroll, above the title of the battalion. In addition, the battalion is assumed to belong to the Grand Alliance that its faction is a part of. Warscroll battalions that share the same allegiance as an army
can always be taken as part of the army, and if they include any allied units, these units do not count against the limits on the number of allies the army can have
(or against the points limit that can be spent on allies
in a Pitched Battle). An army can include a warscroll battalion of a different allegiance to the rest of the army, but if it does so the units in it do count against the limits on the number of allies the army can have (and the points for the battalion and the units in it count against the points limit that can be spent on allies in a Pitched Battle).”
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 17:41
thank you ((i'm still tired, only a few hours of sleep...))
@WindstormSCR done finally, sorry about that, had some issues come up this last week (like putting down our horse :()
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 17:47
@tekton I’m actually recommending that we depreciate the old “Allies” types that we used in validation and then pull that as an option (Though that would be a fairly major change overall)
That way it makes it easier to manage from a file perspective
And less logic validation needed
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 17:53
@OftKilted i'm all for it, i mean i may not have been using it much anyway for some odd reason...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 17:54
I just want an ogres battletome, gutbusters/maneaters/firebellies
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 17:54
that would be nice
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 17:54
I want to see what happens with the compendium battletomes that are appearing to go to Legends.
And which ones those are.
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 17:55
i would like a new orruks book with a new magic user...
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 17:55
because right now BCR makes too few units to use allies effectively with the addition of the second clause (I can get maybe two allies units, ever)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 17:55
And then we get to figure out what we're doing with those catalogs.
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 17:56
and there is no point in Gutbuster allegiance besides ironguts as battleline, which is... ok-ish
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 17:56
@tekton Thoughts on #560 ?
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 17:56
a moonclan tome reconsolidating some of the grots/goblins would be another good ask
GHB 2018 is the primary source, and hasn't been errata'd, so that should be what's used
that's like saying "landraiders have 8 lascannons because combat roster says so"
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 17:58
Well ... I could make it cost 500 for 30 ... but that's just ... stupid.
Nothing else has a 'Horde Premium' cost.
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 18:17
I think it's a RAW time and it should actually be 500 for 30 for now, maybe send something in or try to post on Facebook since the designers have been pretty responsive
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 18:19
....huh, GHB does actually say 500 for 30
that's gotta be a typo
tekton
@tekton
Jul 09 2018 18:21
yup, that's why i said it needs an errata for it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 18:56
@WindstormSCR Yep ... that was why I dropped them to 30 ... but didn’t increase their cost to 500... (which didn’t make sense)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 20:45
@WindstormSCR #565 ... that’s ignoring the 1 in 5 for special weapon?
Or can you take the special weapon and everyone else gets the normal weapons?
Because I’m not seeing what you’re describing on mobile : “DESCRIPTION
A unit of Liberators has any number of models. The unit is armed with one of the following weapon options: Warhammer and Sigmarite Shield; Warblade and Sigmarite Shield; pair of Warblades; or pair of Warhammers”
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 20:50
If I Up the unit size to 10, I can take one Grand hammer and one grandblade
It ... seems to work like I’d expect? (1 Grand Blade per 5 models, able to take both special weapon options if I my unit to 10 models ...)
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 20:56
no
add another unit of liberators
every single Liberators unit must be identical because of collective flags or it spawns an error
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 20:56
Ahhhhhhhhhhh
WindstormSCR
@WindstormSCR
Jul 09 2018 20:57
say I have 3 units of liberators, 1 with grandblade, 2 with hammers, it'll error
this is why collective flags on top-level choices are bad
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 20:57
That makes sense for a bug report. I was looking at a single unit
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Jul 09 2018 21:03
Cool. I updated the report on how to duplicate the issue :+1: