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OftKilted
@OftKilted
What’s the lift to change from how we’re doing this now ... to the new paradigm? And do we get rid of the PBF in this process?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
I think we can repurpose the PBF picklist for the Allegiance abilities switching.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
“Allegiance Ability Switching”?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Because any sub allegiance may use the alliance allegiance powers, so we need to have some way of switching it
unless we put it under allegiance....
which is an option
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Why wouldn’t we put it directly under Allegiance?
It’s potentially cleaner from describing an implementation perspective
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
yeah, proabbly.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Do you have to go all one or the other?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
yes
and Grand Alliance picklists should move to the GST so we don't have to replicate them
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Hmmm ... if the pick lists are moving to the gst ... to keep the Allegiance Abilities out of the gst the PBF repourpose might be good
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
I'll try and do a proof of concept tonight
OftKilted
@OftKilted
No worries. It sounds positive, and potentially less overall work. We just need to manage the work in the GST
I’m assuming that “Allies” becomes the Primary type for the Allies?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
no, you add a child detachment of the catalogue that you want to ally with.
tekton
@tekton
Does that move ally “validation” to the user and out of the cat/gst at that point?
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
sort of, but we should be able to at least flag when a user adds a unit which isn't allowed, based on keywords
OftKilted
@OftKilted
In theory ... if something is hidden, they wouldn’t be able to even see the unit
tekton
@tekton
I’m all for making it more on the user for that part- esp when it comes to narrative. The hidden part is a quasi validation which might be more intuitive anyway. So overall this (breaking up the cats) all sounds like copy-paste-hell with a huge payout at the end
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Not sure there is actually any copy paste really required
You could potentially do a duplicate of a cat, rename it and change the Guid ...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
^this
OftKilted
@OftKilted
And then clean out the items not in the list
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
and then you only need to purge
OftKilted
@OftKilted
And clean up the references
Which means that cats can be stripped out of the main list in progress. My only side concern is that we’re looking at ~60 cats ... and how this impacts “Grand Alliance” lists ...
tekton
@tekton
A purge is still a form of that technically, but yes it does have to be actual copy/paste
Wouldn’t that be the same concern as Imperial lists in 40k right now?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Dunno.... but potentially.
So, how is that being handled in the imperial 40k lists?
And where there are battalions that have cross allegiance units
tekton
@tekton
Child detachments under a randomly chosen “main” faction detachment
OftKilted
@OftKilted
However the main faction in this case is the key piece. And we will likely get folks asking “where is Unit x”
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
Azyr has 33 allegiances for Chaos. However, a number of them are effectively duplicates (we don't need separate Khorne, Khorne Bloodbound, Daemons of Khorne)
and I would likely leave the small factions (monsters of Chaos, Warherds, Thunderscorn) in a single file, as (I assume) they are vanishingly unlikely to be chosen as main Allegiances.
Skaven could in theory also be a single file, which brings the list down to about 10-12
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Technically all of the separate Khorne allegiances are all “Khorne” and could be included in a “Khorne Army”
We need to have the answer to “If there isn’t battleline” where does it go? Do you split Pestilins out, include it in Nurgle
As examples
As Pestilins could be included in both a Skaven Army, and a Nurgle Army.
As core forces, not even Allies.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
only in Open or Narrative. In Matched they are not Allies of Maggotkin.
Iain Launchbury
@Mad-Spy
so you can't have a "Nurgle" allegiance army with Pestilens allies. You can however, have a Pestilens army with "Nurgle" allies.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
So ... there is a Nurgle Allies.
Pestilins have the Nurgle keyword. The Maggotkin books refer to “Nurgle Allies” not “Maggotkin Allies”
OftKilted
@OftKilted
While Pestillins has their own Allegiance, they also qualify for “Nurgle Allegiance”
So, you’re not actually including Pestillins as Allies ... they’re part of the main “Nurgle” force.
(Like a whole bunch of the Tamurkhan’s Horde units. Ignoring Sayl and Nightmaw)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
This is mainly an issue in Chaos ... but the new Death battletome LoN has a similar issue