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Feb 2016
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 04:48
I'd like to create a new profile type for Psyker abilities. Mastery Level and Disciplines.
it looks really nice
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cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 04:53
That looks good, but I'm a Khorne player so my opinion doesn't matter. I was going to suggest if we could separate out the Save and Invul Save into two. We can add an Invul save just after Save, would be MUCH easier to modify the saves with increment/decrement rather than appending.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 04:54
most things I've come across don't have an invul save, and you can't incr a blank.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:54
I think that both spliiting the save, and adding a psyker field would be positive.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 04:54
Tau still end up with 2 different invul saves on lots of the newer units
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:54
No, but you can do a 'Set' value to 6+ and then modify from there.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 04:54
Most things in Chaos have modifiable invul saves, with the marks and wargear
then throw in Terminator armour and it further complicates things
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:55
Yeah ... they're crazy ... heck, I can get down to a 3+ invuln save with Mark of tzeentch and sigil of corruption.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 04:55
i know what you mean.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:55
@cartag :+1:
Right now, the case statements required for modifying saves is close to headache inducing for chaos.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 04:56
I can add it at the same time if you like
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 04:56
If you would, please, that would be awesome
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:56
@efalsken :shipit:
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 04:57
Should we give it 24 hrs to get more feedback? 9pm PST on a saturday night isn't really a concensus.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:57
That would simplify the PtG setup.
... cough Vote early vote often?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 04:57
what is this? The US Senate?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:57
Nope. Chicago.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 04:57
shit, we at least get something done
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 04:57
lol
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:58
I've been drooling at the Scions of the warp ... it's nice.
Got my copy at the local store this afternoon.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 04:58
scions of the warp? Which rule was that again?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:58
Yeah ... I have at least 3 of the Khorne boxes to get. sigh
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 04:59
I just bought one today, I need two more skull cannons
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:59
it's the 'mini-dex' for Chaos Daemons.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 04:59
oh, ok
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 04:59
Yeah, and they're 40 each.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 04:59
I never actually play daemons, I just bring everything in my KDK army
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:00
That's what I was thinking of leveraging.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:00
is it worth it to add "Save" to Vehicles?? Now that some of them have Invul/cover sometimes?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:00
Yes.
Technically all of the Chaos Daemon vehicles have saves.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:00
I'd do just invul, not a regular save
they all have invul saves
there is a clear distinction between an armour save and an invul save
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:01
I can't think of anything that has a normal save as a vehicle.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:01
Some things have Cover Saves.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:01
such as?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:01
and yes, I was I'm the rules lawyer for my gaming group, in case anybody was wondering
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:01
Fortifications do.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:01
DE with the new nightshields I think?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:02
I know the old night shields had invulns.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:02
Nightshields give the Shrouded special rule
sorry, Stealth
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:02
The Eldar Superheavies give something...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:02
Doesn't shrouded give an invuln?
@efalsken Yes ... they give pain.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:03
Shrouded = cover save 2 better than normal
Stealth = cover save 1 better than normal
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:03
Nothing to help the eldar. cough
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:03
Stealth and Shrouded stack as well
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:03
COrsair Kinetic Shroud gives 5++ or 4++
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:04
crap, nevermind on the save thing
we still won't be able to increment because it will have the ++ after it
if we do it in a format anybody can recognize
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:04
Or. You list it as 'invuln'
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:05
I was going to do (for units) sv and invl
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:05
I know I'm the one who suggested it, but I talked me out of my own vote
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:05
Can you you do formatting?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:05
no
but even with 4++, you won't be able to increment on it.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:05
The functionality won't be there like I was thinking
I have to wonder now if this is a convo that has been had time and again lol
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:06
ok. I will add only the Psyker profile. What about sv on vehicles and walkers?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:06
No.
It will help decrease the number of case statements.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:06
I'm going with No for saves on vehicles also
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:07
Because you'll only go from 6++ to 2++ (at best)
So that's 5 options.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:07
there are more permutations for the invul save, and it's less likely to change ingame
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:07
a 2+/6+ to a 2+/2+ covers ALOT more options.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:09
I think it's time for me to step outside and medicate. The joys of living in CO.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:09
So you have (typically) 2+ and 3+ 4+ 5+ and 6+ ... I know that it's either a 2+ or a 3+ for chaos (most of the time)
So normal saves have 2 options, and invuln would have 5 options. Which means your only looking at 7 potentials.
instead of And invulns (as I think about it) don't usually go lower than a 3++
So, 6 alternatives, vs ... 8?
Being able to force formatting would be handy though.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:13
but that's not the way BS works.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:14
Yeah. I know.
:-/
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:14
it's lame that things like "Infantry" aren't pick-lists.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:20
OMG I HATE GW
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:20
uh oh, what now
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:20
Can I have all your models?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:20
so Prince Yriel has a rule The Path of Command and references the page number it appears on. That page is actually the profile page for the Eldar Autarch.....
The rule reads If your army contains one or more Autarchs or Autarch Skyrunners, you can modify any of your Reserve Rolls by +1 or -1 (choose separately after each roll is made).
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:21
Ok
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:21
so..... If Prince Yriel has this rule and there's nothing that says he is an Autarch....
as written, he can't make use of it.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:21
Does he have the rule in his profile?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:21
yes. but he is not an Autarch
cartag
@cartag
Feb 14 2016 05:22
oh shit, that's harsh
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:22
Sounds good to me!
;-)
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:22
the rule would be fine if they just hand't mentioned those two units by name....
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:23
So do autarchs have that rule in their profile?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:23
yes
well, the full text of the rule.
and Prince Yriel references it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:23
In their profile?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:23
yes
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:23
So, for the autarchs to use it, he had to be in the force
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:24
of course..... i mean, it's clear what the intent is.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:24
If they don't have the rule in their "special rules"
It would be the hq's special bonus rule that requires you to take him
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:24
The Autarch has the text for the rule on their page and listed in their Special Rules. the problem is that it names the Autarch explicitly as being affected by it..... and we're just supposed to assume that if it is listed in anyone else's special rules, then it would apply to them too. But since the rule applies to Autarchs only, and appears in the Autarchs' profile, then there is zero reason for it to be anywhere else (as written).
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:25
Send an email to GW?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:26
lol. they'll be like ... huh. look at that.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:26
I feel for you. At least you're likely to get a daw out of it
Daw = faq ... Stupid autocorrect
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:27
they won't.... they'll just say "didn't you know that Prince Yriel was an Autarch!?!? You should totally buy and read this fluff novel and git all up with the times."
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:27
Which is better than what we have regarding c:sm and other armies with artefact type/chapter relic items
He doesn't hang out with the lowly autarchs.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:28
i'm glad I was able to help with that one.
people are still cursing me for taking the Earth Caste Array away from Riptides..... and I play Tau....
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:29
was it a legit option?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:30
used to be in FSE. But Mont'ka was missing the paragraph that would have given it to the Riptides. Other than that, it was almost word-for-word the same.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:31
So, I know that BSData is one group. How does it split up for other games... I.E. GW's hobbit game
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:31
I'm 90% sure it was lost when they did the layout for Mont'ka.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:31
So is that a faq question?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:31
not yet.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:32
(We have a huge group that play lotr and hobbit locally)
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:32
GW has made a statement saying they won't do FAQs anymore. Their official answer is "discuss it with your opponent and we don't care"
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:32
Where's that one?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:32
BSData has other repositories for other games. There's a generic chat room here on Gitter
that's the catchall for everything else, but it is very low-traffic
but there are BSData repos for LOTS of games.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 14 2016 05:34
Yeah, I saw that.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 14 2016 05:34
ok, here's another.... Prince Yriel again... on his page is listed The Eye of Wrath wargear and the Spear of Twilight...... NEITHER OF WHICH APPEAR IN HIS WARGEAR
but are assumed to be in his wargear because they've always been......
could it have hurt them so badly to have not added two lines to his wargear???