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Feb 2016
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 09:07
But your doing such a good job :P everytime i notice something youi have already raised it :)(
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 12:17
In DE Deafault selection had not been used like anywhere...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 13:19
@hisop likely. It was somewhat ... Messy when I jumped in to fix the succubus issue. Due to how they had entry groups you can't reach inside an entry group to select a default selection. At least that was my recollection of the issue.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 13:20
you have to go down a level to do it under the entry there is a selection called "5-10 of example" ect
It should be sorted now, ideally i would re- arrange it all, most of it is counter intuitive in the ui but its a big job and i just got a SOW for a massive short term project.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 13:24
SOW?
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 13:24
Statement of Work
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 13:24
Ah! Work is good.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 13:25
Well i hope so it may not be phisicaly doable in two weeks haha!
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 13:26
DE is unfortunately not particularly intuitive in how the catalog was done. But the wording in the codex was different than how it is done for others i.e. C:sm as an example
Lots of squads with no default "squad leader" selection stuff.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 13:35
Yeah in DE theres lots of "1-12 of any of the below" the problem is there is no default, but if you don't select one it throws the minimum point values off and the squad size. I normally play it by the cheapest to maintain the minimum cost then if theirs a tie i do it alphabetically.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 14:30
For the royal court, that's actually per the codex.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 14:37
YEah thats what i meant.
There is no "default" in the codex, so i use the cheapest as i am trying to represent the minimum unit cost and prevent a "requires x more" validation error. they can remove the starting models if they wish they are not prevented from doing so.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 15:16
guys in #1876 I can fix this but it means that at default, the succubus will have no weapons, causing a validation error until you add some. is that acceptable to you? otherwise nomater how i frame the logic, the initial "minimum 1" causes the roster in android to ommit the "none" option preventing exchanging them.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 15:36
Why not put both "melee weapons" and "pistol" both in an entry group called Weapons. Just set the Pistol to have "max 1 in parent" and set "Weapons" to have "max 2 in parent."
This way you will be able to choose 2 from melee weapons, but only 1 max from Pistol
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 15:37
The problem comes from the relic and wych weapons which are in other lists.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 15:37
hmmm
for weapon relics I had to break them up in the Daemon book. If it's a weapon, I put it with weapons, and had it "set max selections to 0" on each referencing the other if there's 1 selection in parent. This way it still has "max 1," just spread across two categories
or am I completely misunderstanding?
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 15:39
it boils down to. "you need 1 melee weapon and one pistol"you may exchange either for a djin blade or both for a wych weapon."
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 15:41
aha, that helps me out some...
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 15:43
on pc this works fine as it knows you need the "none" on pistol/melee but on android it sees that the default is min 1 and ignores future rules as it has already "produced" the ui based on that.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 15:43
Well, if you did make Weapons a parent category, put Melee and Pistol both in there, along with the Wych weapon in base and the djin blade also. Have it max 2 in parent, but put a condition on the wych weapon to decrement max by 1 if it is selected. This way you could still do either do a Djin blade and a melee or pistol, or you could do the singular Wych weapon
that's all I got
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 15:43
Hmm thats do-able i will look at it.
Thank you.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 15:45
np, I'm happy to help :) You can always say "fuck you fatty, I'm doing this my way" too and that would be fine also lol
sorry, self deprecating humor is my thing
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:22
Haha! my best friend is the exact same he says: "if i get myself first you have nothing on me" :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:29
@hisop I already fixed the Succubus ....
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:30
Different issue
Issue is specific to android and isnt fixed
It was fixed for PC but the fix hasnt taken on android due to a bug.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:31
The problem is that you can replace the pistol with the poison gun (relic weapon) or you can replace your melee weapon with a djin blade.
So ... it splits the requirement, but you can't have both a djin blade and the relic poison gun.
And if you have wych weapons, you can't have either. And you can't have a pistol or melee weapons.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 16:32
so just throw on another modifier for the other relics to where it will set their max to 0 if either the djin blade or poison gun are selected
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:32
On android you cant replace anything, it wont let you set melee or postol to "none"
I will re-work it.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:33
Wait ... if this is an android bug why are we reworking the catalog for a device specific bug?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 16:33
How are you testing the data file on android?
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:35
@OftKilted Because i can? its not a big hassle. and android makes up a large user base. :P @cartag i manually replace the data on the device with my changes.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:36
Interesting.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:36
I can leave it the way it is Jon said it is unlikely to be an issue in the next version and if it is he will fix it.
And the re-arrange cartag purposes would actually be more inline with the way (some) imperial and chaos codex's handle relic selection for weapons
Oppinions?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:37
Ship it.
Conistency is good.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 16:39
I say go with it, but only because it's my idea and I'm an egotistical jerk
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:39
Haha!
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:39
I have skin in the game, but I'll defer. I know it works on PC, but it's interestingly not functioning nicely on IOS.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:40
Yeah the problem on mobile appears to be "on pc this works fine as it knows you need the "none" on pistol/melee but on android it sees that the default is min 1 and ignores future rules as it has already "produced" the ui based on that."
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 16:41
I will also say there is a current bug in 1.16 to where the "set modifier to value" rules are not processing properly, so it'll be hard to test for right now
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:41
IOS appears to have the same issue for the 'Min 1' issue.
So it's not enumerating further down the line to see that (as an example) the Djin blade meets the criteria for the 1 minimum.
Might be worthwhile to put a copy of that off to the side in a 'forked branch' so we can have that as a 'bug' issue for IOS/Android and an example of it for Jon.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:44
Yeah, its going to take a fair bit of re-arranging, i dont mind doing it but, my compromise would be much easier :P (and would keep the evidence around for jon :P
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:44
So, if we have a solution, implement it. Don't ignore your SOW mate. ;-)
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:44
"the succubus will have no weapons initialy, causing a validation error until you add some"
but will allow you to go back to none on mobile
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:45
And you were complaining about forcing choices earlier ...
;-P
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:46
No i wasn't complaining forcing a choice for minimum points is a priority strategy for me :) but since the succubus has 0 point options, it matters less :) but it still annoys me haha!
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 16:47
My logic on default selections has been that they should be outfitted the way they are listing default wargear whenever you add them to the roster. You can then adjust from there.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:47
It was for if there is no deafault its a "this or this"
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:48
And that was what was done with the succubus ... but because of how the Djin Blade was added, it didn't run out cleanly.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 16:48
ah
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:48
Basically, for some level of insanity you can replace your pistol with an Archite glaive.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 16:48
Ok, I retract my former statement, if anybody wants to call me Donnie and berate me for being out of my element I understand. I am the walrus.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:49
CooCoo ka-choo.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:49
Haha!
So no fix, compromise, or re-write?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:50
I recommend that we change to have no default weapon choice for the succubus.
that should force an error and require setting a weapon.
fastest method to get the solution, unless you've got a solution implemented and ready to go.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:51
Nope that was my solution :P
originaly :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:51
Raise the issue to Jon, submit it as an IOS/Android bug.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:52
I spoke to him on /bs/alphas he doesnt want any mobile stuff raised yet as he is doing a full re-write.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 16:52
ah, nm
wow, you even referenced my fluffyBunnySlippers
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:52
Something still needs to be architected for any other HQ/character choices that can take DE artefacts of cruelty to avoid the issue as well. I didn't go any further than the succubus.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:53
Will look at it :P >.<
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:53
And that only because I was trying to work around the stupidity issue of the archite glaive.
I see the issue.
Even though I changed the maximum selections to 0, I didn't change the minimum selections to 0
facepalm
However that may cause other issues due to where it does the check.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:57
I re-arranged all the logic twice and android just flat out ignores it, so its not your fault :P
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 16:57
Well. At least it's consistent.
Might need a 'minimum' selections modifier. I didn't put one of those in it looks like.
But, not staring at the catalog, I don't remember how where it all falls into line.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 16:59
Il push a "fix" take a look.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:00
(is that going to the main appspot.com location?)
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:00
it wont yet no
BSData/wh40k@4bdcbda
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:04
Okay ... I'll bite for the easy question, is there an easy way to go directly to github source for catalogs?
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:05
to view the full source on github?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:06
No, to pull it into my ios device?
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:06
USB?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:07
Apparently you can't open .cat files from email into Battlescribe anymore.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 16 2016 17:08
dropbox
I have my local PC GitHib clone going to my dropbox data directory
Because i like to live on the edge
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:09
Yeah dropbox works
I dont do IOS much :P
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:09
Which ... would be great, except that I'm nowhere near home.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:09
you can try a sync, the version would be 21
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:14
Nope, have to try it tonite not seeing anything more recent than v19
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:19
Same
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 17:19
cya gents, I'm off to watch a sad movie about a Mr Wilson. He has cancer.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:20
He should get treatment.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 17:20
I think he does, something experimental
it may have a side effect or two though
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:20
Well as long as he doesn't look like an avocado.
Have a great afternoon @cartag
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:26
Have a good one, im jellous :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:29
So. General question: Adding profile information into files.
If I wanted to have profile info in a file that has the profile. But no data in the profile ... What kind of issue is that? Any? None?
And by issue I mean politically.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:32
Profile info but no data?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:32
As an example: Chaos Space Marines has a 'Warp Storm' item that you can add to the list.
But it has no data in it. (It's a rule for Chaos Daemons ... sorry not csm)
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:33
wouldnt it be a rule then not a profile?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:34
Probbaly bad verbiage on my part.
Not asking someone else to input it.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 17:35
Show it me in the GUI or xml and i will comment :P
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 17:35
But it's something that I have a 'vested interest' in having there. Because bouncing back and forth between my ebook copy, and battlescribe makes me wany to stab things.
And the ebook copy of my rulebook.
Create a C:Daemons CAD.
there is a 'Warp Storm' item
It's a 'table' that has to be rolled on by daemon players.
No Force Org -> Warp Storm Table
If the force is their primary force
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 18:02
So you want to add a table in there? Sure why not. Add it in whatever way seems best, raise it as an enhancement to be able to add tables in as there are other things like deamonhost use them
In the case of deamonhost it is just a list added in as a rule, look at inquisition for an example.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 18:03
My concern is adding too many rules ... and people using it instead of owning codexes.
I wonder if it is possible to print the file as 1 Unit per sheet....
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 18:09
Well there is a to-do to have a blast jet strip rules option just incase.
Blast jet was totally what I meant. Damn phone.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 18:20
It's been talked about since the battlescribe.net forums.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 18:38
Well I probably go the extra mile when it comes to rules on some rosters (I'm looking at you sister's) but not all its difficult I guess.
But with pirating today it's less of a concern I guess if they want the rules for free they will have them. They still need them for events
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 18:45
Yeah ... I have some really old sisters models...
Back from the original huge boxed set ....
What's crazy is that the collection I have is probably $300 retail now ... and it weighs a ton.
But they've changed alot since initial release. At least they're back at the minimum squad size of 5 down from 10.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 16 2016 19:26
Yeah thank God for immo spam
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 20:02
What's funny is those models don't exist anymore ... even the cool conversions via FW.
Mind you ... I've fallen to chaos. The chaos models are so severely awesome to paint. So much crazy detail.
So, the sisters (~800-1000 points worth of figures) and all 2700 points of Dark Eldar are going to be traded away for other stuff.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Feb 16 2016 20:59
SoB got Best-painted at the LVO two weeks ago.
now is probably a good time to get good value for them.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 16 2016 21:38
That SoB imperial knight is two steps away from Slaanesh.
Maybe one ...
cartag
@cartag
Feb 16 2016 21:38
the only one that was corrupted was by Slaanesh