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Feb 2016
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 10:21
#1926 too many cooks.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 10:35
@OftKilted nope :P but i asked him to jump in, as otherwise SW are going to get messy :P
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
Feb 29 2016 12:01
Hello everyone. Sorry for adding the transports in Ironwolves. I wasn't aware of the discussion above.
I'm a software developer by profession and I started playing WH40K (Space Wolves) a few months ago. I've been using BattleScribe ever since and I wanted to contribute to the making and updating of the data files. I recently got the Chaos Daemons codex as well, but I wouldn't make any changes there until I've had the time to go through it (and Curse of the Wulfen) a few times.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 12:03
:)
Welcome
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 12:05
@SuperPranx SW has been problematic of late. Mainly due to the lack of s true maintainer, the new freaky formations and it being the "new thing"
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 12:06
Yup
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 12:07
@hisop did you figure out which version you published?
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
Feb 29 2016 12:16
@OftKilted I'm still new to the data file editing, so I'll try to keep to the smaller fixes and make small changes for now. I will learn as I go and from other people's commits.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 12:29
@SuperPranx no worries. It's all a learning experience
Consider taking a look at the
Battlescribe/alphas
The new version is coming out and will help out our issues
Which is sort of what we're hoping for. And on bright notes I managed to magnetize my Defiler. :-)
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 12:40
Magnets rule :D
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 15:53
@oftkilted, AFAIK all of the SW stuff is fixed (for now)
Test away :P
and congrats of the deffy
question though for #1908 Does it specify the battle tank? or can it be any leman russ?
blob
Thats all i got :P
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 15:56
I'd say a bog standard leman Russ
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 15:56
There is no such thing
Not realy
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 15:56
Lies. There is always an STC
Heresy! BLAM!
;-)
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 15:57
A leman russ vanquisher or punisher is not an upgrade to a leman russ battle tank, there both variants of a "leman russ"
There is no one tank called "leman russ"
unlike say a "land raider" where there is. "godhammer" pattern leman russ's are just referred to as such unlike a "leman russ battle tank"
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:00
Well ... The one in the box looks like a leman Russ battle tank. It's definitely not a vanquisher
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:00
Which Russ comes in the box?
Ha
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:00
found this: 1 x Leman Russ (no specific type mentioned but the box includes only the sprues to make the Leman Russ Battle Tank, Eradicator, Exterminator or Vanquisher.)
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:00
I would say it's safe to say it's whichever one comes in the box
helpful
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:01
in actual fact the battle tank is the best of the bunch 9/10 but i guess it means any
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:01
"This is a great-value box set that gives you an immediate collection of fantastic Astra Militarum miniatures, which you can assemble and use right away in games of Warhammer 40,000! You’ll receive a Leman Russ Battle Tank, a Cadian Heavy Weapon Team, an Officio Prefectus Commissar, a set of ten Cadian Shock Troops and an exclusive Astra Militarum Formation rules sheet - the Armoured Shield - allowing you to collect, assemble and play with your new miniatures right away!"
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:02
I could quote GW when they say 1 space marine is 1000 men, but it doesnt help me againts guard :P
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:02
It comes with a battle tank
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:03
I'd say limit it to a battle tank
as that's the one in the description & picture
If anyone moans tell them to sign up to help manage the files :p
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:06
The picture is irrelevant the heavy weapons team has a ML on the pic but we don't assume that's the only choice.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:07
They'll get what he STC hands them and like it. :-p
The formation as provided from the STC (aka The "Start Collecting Box") has a LRBT. I'm not one to question the Emperor and his Beneficence. cough False Emperor cough
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:10
The box comes with the parts to make any of the basic 4
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:10
I can ask a friend who plays guard for his opinion?
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:10
Feel free, i also have guard :P
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:10
ah k :)
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:10
mostly as inquisitional pawns though.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:11
If some one says "Leman Russ" to me i assume the normal one
as usually they say "Vanquisher" or "Demolisher" etc
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:11
But thats not how its used in the book, in the book its a collective term
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:11
but that could just be local meta
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:11
they would say battle tank.
Cartag agree's with me :P
And as for the description you posted above, there referencing the fact the box for the tank is called "Leman russ battle tank", in the description for witch it states (can also be made into)
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:14
To be honest i don't really care ultimatley as i don't play guard :) Out of interest what does the datasheet in the box have?
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:15
No idea
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:15
see the picture above
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:15
As with the tau one it gave with the stats & rules for each unit
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:15
blob
I'm changing my vote.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:15
In the box
in that case any
:)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:15
Which is your vote Cartag?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:15
on new found evidence i would say any
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:16
the "Leman Russ Battle Tank" is a separate listing in the digital codex. Given that, I would say it has to be one particular one
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:16
But the data sheet said "one leman riss tank"
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:16
the "Leman Russ Battle Tank" would be the one equipped with the Battle Cannon
shit, that's right
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:16
but the formation doesnt say battle tank
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:16
I haven't had my coffee yet
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:17
And as your evidence above shows "leman riss tank" is collective
god damn it RUSS
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:17
I am not changing my vote then, it should be any one of them since there isn't anything stating it has to be any one particular version of it
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:17
Looking at the booklets that come in the Tau start collecting box, it has the stats & rules for the Strike Team & Breacher team
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:18
It doesn't indicate that it requires a battle cannon in the formation bonuses special rules
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:18
Even though the formation states Strike Team.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:18
what does that mean?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:18
I'd say in the guard formation, any Russ that the kit in the box can build
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:18
It means that even though it CAN be built as a Breacher team, to use the formation it has to be built as the Strike Team
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:19
But this formation is "one Leman Russ" and as you have shown above that means any.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 16:19
At this point i'm just rambling, an afternoon full of meetings has melted my brain
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:19
@OftKilted - the Khorne Daemon one has a Blood Throne in it, but it can be used to build a Skull Cannon. The WSB is just for the Blood Throne, so it would specify if it was restrictive in that regard
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:19
But he Armoured Shield formation doesn't say "Strike Team"
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:20
Or it would state "One Leman Russ Battle Tank"
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:20
I was referencing the Tau SC box that @penguin20000 referenced
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:21
@cartag the Daemon AoS formation? What is the formation? (Don't have the box and I can't find it :-( )
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:24
Well that's effing awesome!
Which is easier to code in the Catalog? @hisop
Personally, give them the ability for any.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:25
Any is easier :P
Annoyingly the commisar is the most anoying part :P
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:26
I'm just psyched as I realized last night that there is a Daemonkin formation with An individual Defiler.
The do any.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:26
Haha, see learrn something new everyday.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:26
So Daemons formation, combined with thebKhorne Daemonkin defiler
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:27
@OftKilted - it's not a formation, it's only a small force that can be taken in Blood Host. It is not considered a completely separate formation in the traditional sense
@OftKilted - it's considered an "Army List Entry"
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:29

"“Note that you can also include any of the Formations presented in this section as part of a Battle-forged army.”

Excerpt From: Games Workshop Ltd. “Codex - Khorne Daemonkin (eBook Edition).” Games Workshop Ltd"

cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:30
It's not listed later on as a separate formation though along with the SC, Onslaught, Gorepack, Bloodstorm, or Cohort
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 16:30
one of us should look at this #1935
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 16:31
Same as how the "Lord of Slaughter" isn't considered a full formation, it's an army list entry just for the Blood Host detachment
If it was a separate formation there would be a datasheet for it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:35
mutter mutter mutter Stoopid Khorne ...
That's it. Taking 8 Khytan Daemon Engines.
"Just as planned ...." .... Wait
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 16:58
@hisop the rules for the Ghostar aren't out yet. But they probably should
Be considered.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 17:06
All the leaks are though
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 17:39
Anybody know who M4uler is and why he's messing with Chaos files?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 17:39
No idea. They submitted the files for the Ghostar
Without a bug report, that's not a positive thing.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 17:43
And they set Daemon Princes taken as a Heavy Support choice to 0 points... yeah, that's no bueno
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
Feb 29 2016 17:45
A question about #1928. Is this fixed or did I miss a rule for the Vindicator somewhere?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 17:48
Fixing both in the same request makes it messy
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 17:48
I'm going to say don't merge the Daemon file in his pull request, I'm already working on an update for it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 17:49
Can you not merge specific files?
My concern is that if that one item is wrong, what else is wrong?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 17:49
Exactly
Posted to have him join here
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 17:52
Scions of the warp didn't change daemon prince price that I recall.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 17:53
It didn't, just what artefacts they can take
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 17:53
Maybe it was modified for the tetrad?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 17:54
It wasn't
I had to completely rebuild how the daemon file is laid out, and am in the middle of finishing it up for the daemon princes
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 17:58
Ah well. Nothing like being a bunch of curmudgeons trying to avoid stuff exploding from a catalog perspective.
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 17:59
Lo chaps
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:00
So, tell us about the stuff you're working on and would like to submit :-)
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:00
greetings
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 18:00
Ola
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:00
In the current Daemons CAT the Daemon Prince (Heavy) entry has a base cost AND the base cost + specific Daemon cost, so you're paying the base cost twice
Hai :] Sorry, was just winding down a phone call
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:01
The Daemon one is being worked on, I had to rebuild it from the ground up basically when the new supplement came out
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:01
I changed the DP (H) base cost to zero so that it matches the HQ entry
It looks fine when I test it from my Dropbox, what work is needed?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:02
I'm already in the process of updating it I mean
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:02
It's already done, I thought?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:02
and I've rewritten how the DP - Heavy selection works in it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:02
So... Not seeing the issue you're mentioning based off the most recent pull
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:02
Righto
It was an issue when I tried about an hour ago but that may be my local files
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:03
E.G. Select GUO, add DP as heavy.
(You have to have both)
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:03
I had updated mine and checked and it worked fine with what was last published
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:03
DP costs 145+15 for nurgle
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:03
With 0 base?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:04
Why is the base 0?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:04
no, it's 145 base with 15 pts for Nurgle
It doesn't f'ing matter though because as I said, the entire thing is being redone. Like literally right now
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:04
Yeah, it's not a 15 point daemon prince.
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:04
Ahhh, the one I had was 145 base then 160 for Nurgle (for example) while the HQ was 0 base and it worked - glad to see that's ironed out :]
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:05
blob
I'm setting it up to hide the ones in the HQ slot if there is an appropriate HQ selection that makes them heavies
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:05
Nice
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:06
Now it will have the Daemon Prince as a base entry in HS, with a radio button to select what DP type
it will just have no radio buttons if there isn't an available HQ being taken
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:06
Do you have a Daemon Prince (Heavy) in the root of the CAT?
Entry, that is
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:06
It was a non-shared entry before I started rebuilding it
it was one of the few holdovers I didn't get moved over before the book came out
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:07
Yes, that had the extra 145 on it
Nice work :]
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:07
I'm looking at it right now, and it doesn't
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:07
And the new CAT that I requested a merge for is the new Genestealer Cult list from the upcoming White Dwarf
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:07
Don't work from Dropbox. It will only cause you pain
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:08
blob
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:08
My Git local files are in a separate folder, I don't use my live BS files for it
Good, good
That's a more logical way of sorting the price of upgrades
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:09
The screenshot above is from the last version that was live, it hasn't been updated yet
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:09
Very odd
My file must've been off
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:09
It would have had to be something with your local files
+1
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:09
Aye
The Cult CAT is good to merge?
It's all set units from White Dwarf, no choices or options to factor in
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:10
I'd take the Daemon updates out of that pull request
Have you worked on Git much before @M4uler?
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:11
Not at all, I followed the instructions to get the GitHub client and do PRs
A good friend also updates the wh40k master with you guys but I don't know what his handle is on here
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:12
Typically if there is an Issue on the wh40k repo that somebody has assigned to themselves it's something they're working on resolving
We try to avoid multiple people trying to fix the same thing code wise unless it's something we need discussion with. Too many cooks in the kitchen kind of thing
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:12
Understood
I don't mind looking after the Genestealer Cult stuff when it's released proper later in the year
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:13
You can check to see who's looking after what on this site, and you can add yourself as Genestealer https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/wiki/Catalogue-Keepers
Also, anybody mind if I take NebSeele off of the Chaos stuff since they've not been seen since September?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Feb 29 2016 18:14
Go for it
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:15
Cheers, added
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:15
:+1:
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:15
Er...how do I edit/change a pull request?
Do you guys have to reject it first?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:16
I just closed it
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:17
So I just do a new PR with just the Cult CAT?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:18
And I'm sorry if I came across brash, my initial reaction was "who's this fucking guy and who does he think he is?" to "he's new, remember that, guide him rather than scold"
Yeah, just do a new one and we'll get it merged :)
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:19
To be fair it's The Internet and I'm used to attitudes being either so it's no problem...but thank you :D
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:19
No harm no foul :) I don't mean to be an ass but I can be, it's not intentional. @OftKilted can vouch for that.
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:19
It's fine, I'm similar when I'm posting in 40k stuff; the perception is not always the intent
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:20
We're just trying to prevent data file corruption for all of our users :-) and Cartag is gruff because he's being the "adult" and holding us slackers responsible
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:21
Exactly. Now get off my damn lawn.
cartag @cartag shakes cane
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:22
It's always a good idea to separate the data files worked on. That way it's easy to say "this works - approve" not "this works, this file doesn't - have to disapprove"
@cartag so.... In PtG... The Champion isn't required to take a mark of chaos. How'd you like them apples? (Still have to be dedicated to a chaos patron) but that then gives the option of having any of the "specialist troops" (plague marines etc)
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:27
Feel free to just take the damn thing over, you should already have access to it and I'm not working on any updates for it currently
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:27
Not just the specialist troops for your patron chaos deity.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:27
I was wrong
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:27
Nope. I read it the same way you did
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:28
My gaming group picked up the Helfort for my bday and I've been working on that lately, haven't been on computer much
this thing is massive. But it needs rules for 40k
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:28
that is awesome! (I did a trade for my old DE for Chaos Daemonkin and magnetized my traded Defiler. (With the bad gluing and priming job)
Yeah... It does need those rules
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:30
There was an old version of the Defiler in one of the Apoc books called the Slaughterfiend. It was equipped with 4 CCW and could be used as a transport of sorts for Zerkers
THAT is what we need.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:30
... Nice. I have the two power weapons and the scourge on mine. So that's 3.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:31
we can't outfit them that way anymore
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:31
I could replace the reaper AC with a powerfisy
That would give me 4 ....
So... 3 powerfists and a power scourge.
7 attacks on the charge, S16 (Sx2) AP2
It has to be 4 CCW
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:35
Power fists and Power Scourges are close combat weapons
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:35
Power Scourge is melee, but not a DCCW
DCCW and Power Fist are same profile, Scourge isn't
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:35
Sorry chaps - so the best way for me to do this Cults update is to fork a new copy of the master, add the new .cat to it and PR that?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:36
The rage lord shows a Power Scourge?
So, you'll want to remove your old fork, and the. Create a new one
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:37
It also shows a ranged weapon on the right arm. We follow the rules, not the pictures :P
And yes, I know that this is technically based off of a picture I uploaded
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:43
There is no "Close Combat Weapon" weapon type there is a Melee type.... Hmm
There are "Close Combat Weapons"
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:43
it says Dreadnought CCW, that is a Power Fist without Unwieldy
that's the name of a weapon
well, it used to be at least... it's literally a powerfist minus the Unwieldy rule. Which, being that deffy is a walker, it ignores anyway, so they're just called power fists.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:44
Which was prior codex. When they had a CCW
Did they get the power scourge in the old codex?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:45
They had the option
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:46
Being the liberal minded individual that I am, and the scourge being s type of "Close Combat Weapin" with a specialized stat line and the "Melee" type
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:46
CCW is a weapon though
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:46
OK, old fork binned, new fork obtained, .cat uploaded and renamed
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:47
Did you open an issue for it?
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:47
So now I have to merge
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:47
the power scourge is NOT a CCW, it's a power scourge, and is considered a melee weapon
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:47
😃
It's a close combat weapon (of type Melee) with a specialized stat line
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:48
No, it's not, it is a Melee weapon
Don't confuse the two
Melee =/= CCW
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:48
So now I merge this branch into my master and then do a pull request from my master to submit it to the live?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:48
there is no CCW type.
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:48
And aye, CCWs are a standard weapon, Melee weapons are a type
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:48
blob
CCW is not a type
Melee is a type
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:49
Here is a Melee type and a Shooting type (which has multiple variations)
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:49
The Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon was a weapon entry, before it was replaced by the Power Fist on the Defiler
They are literally the same thing as far as the Defiler is concerned
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:49
It still exists in the BrB
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:50
You're killing me Smalls...
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:50
Working at it Sir!
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:50
OK
I think you guys have a new PR from me now
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:51
I think that we should include it as a fluffy entry formation if thebDrfiler has 3 Power fists and a scourge. cough You know you want it too
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:51
There's no point total for it, it has a different stat entry than Defilers do, and it's not a legal build. As fluffy as it is, it's not in the current rules so it will not be added.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:51
adjusts halo to hide his horns
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:51
Regardless of how much I want to.
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 18:53
Off home now chaps - thanks for the assist
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:53
If it were in a current legal book, it would be added already. I've been wanting that unit for a few years now.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:54
Ah well. Don't have the book myself. Or I'd use it myself.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:56
It's in the Apoc Reload book from 5E
and it's 4 years older than the current CSM book
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:57
Oh. That makes it "Vintage" they need to add that formation in for Daemonkin.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:57
It was one of the big wishes I had for it leading up to the release
that and zerkers on bikes
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:58
Still think we should have it in the Apocalypse formation options for CSM. And let players decide.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:59
We have the most recent legal Apoc formations already in the file
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 18:59
With an annotation of what version of apocalypse it is from
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 18:59
The older versions aren't legal, per GW
there has been a newer version of the Apoc rules released that did not include it.
That being said, if you chose to run it, it is missing HP, so would be dead the second it hit the table if you're following RAW
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 19:01
You're using current statlines. Which have HP.
And Apocalypse has never been legit for tournaments anyway. :-(
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 19:17
the Slaughterfiend has +2 WS from normal deffy though
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 19:31
Yeah... Prior codex to current differences were talked about here: http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2013/01/05/its-like-tactics-defiler-review/
And the power scourge is new for the codex.
And the scourge replaced the CCW on one weapon group
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 19:47
Hence the Slaughterfiend no longer being a legal build. It makes me sad. Like a panda.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 19:52
So, from a "match to the current vehicle options" it would be 3 Power Fists and 1x Power Scourge
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 19:53
Doesn't change the fact that it's still not a legal build. If your group lets you bring it, great. It won't be added in though
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 19:53
Interesting that the Slaughter fiends had +2WS
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 19:54
Hell, I have two deffies I've not ran in a LOOOOOONG time since realizing how bad they are in relation to everything else
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 19:54
Twitter campaign here we come!
😋
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 19:55
battle-cannon.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 19:55
Yeah. It is a challenge. For me, just moving into chaos I don't have any options to fill the vehicle type slot other than it and a helbrute
True_Hisop
@hisop
Feb 29 2016 19:56
The only chaos vehicles i see regularly are hell drakes
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 19:56
And it was broken off at the join between body and head. 1/4" magnets work well holding on the body to the base
Soul grinders look potentially positive. And they can do anti-air
I'm looking at scratch building some dreadclaws or assault claws
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 20:05
I run two maulerfiends with my Gorepack. 4x5 squads of dogs, 2 packs of bikes, and two maulerfiends all moving 12" each turn? They have to pick their targets carefully :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 20:07
Dogs look solid. But they're not in my current build queue. I need a single unit of Possessed. :-/
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 20:08
Did you buy the AoS box? Use the Blood Warriors. The Khornedogs are fantastic, just don't buy official GW ones
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 20:08
And the chaos knight to chaos biker conversions, along with an imperial knight. (Counts as Khytan Daemon Engine)
I play at the local GW shop... So I'm planning on doing either chaos war hounds or dire wolves. 10 for $25
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 20:09
Exactly what I was going to suggest
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 20:10
Didn't get AoS. I was considering leveraging in via Daemons
I have the FW prince, converted with wings, and another daemon Prince and two units of blood letters
So much to paint and build. And I'm rescuing the terminators that were miserably primed. But hat means juggernauts for Daemonkin I think
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 20:15
Lo again, chaps - does the Cult .cat look alright?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 20:15
Haven't checked it. I'd have to peek at it tonite.
The WD doesn't go live until this weekend
We've got plenty of time. You've already done the heavy lifting :-)
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 20:20
Aye, just wanted it up so people can start on lists ASAP :] Thanks again for the assist!
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 20:24
We typically do "major updates" once a week. I know you're excited, we're all excited. Let's make sure stuff is lined up and clean. We don't want to make Geedub twitcher than usual.
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 20:29
Fair enough
I think I'm going to go over it again just to make sure it's legit
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 20:30
I typically give the file to somebody who has testing experience and tell them to break it.
and give me notes on how they break it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 20:33
Yeah, I broke cartag's daemons list ... We determined it wasn't really broken ... And then someone complained that it was broken the same way I ran into in testing. So we knew they weren't using the tool right :-)
cartag
@cartag
Feb 29 2016 20:33
That's also something that'll be fixed in 1.16 though, it'll only be an issue until then.
M4uler
@M4uler
Feb 29 2016 20:45
Corrected. I'll leave you guys alone now :D Have a good one!
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Feb 29 2016 21:01
Cheers!