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23rd
Mar 2016
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 05:38
new eldar release is COMPLETE. all of my sources are done being entered. (Craftworlds, IA11:SE, Valedor, Apocalypse, Leviathan)
Does anyone know of any other Eldar rules that are current?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 11:23
None that I'm aware of.
You put the start collecting dataslate in the codex catalog? Otherwise I think you've got it all.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:25
Oh, I do need the start-collecting. Does anyone have those rules?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 23 2016 15:26
Which ones? I didn't think there were any eldar start collecting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:26
Oh there's not?
I thought all the armies had those boxes now
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:27
No, I think some didn't get it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:27
except CSM ... because GW hates CSM
Oh well then, nvm :)
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:27
yup. no Eldar
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:27
no eldar:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:28
huh, alot less than I thought there were.
Alrighty then
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:28
I merged the new Eldar
i'm going to release now
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:29
Expect lots of "my list doesnt work anymore" posts.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:29
I let the whole Eldar group know
we started over at v1
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:29
Hey, It's a change from the week of "Daemon Prince is broken"
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:30
did it move in the catalog?
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:30
Does the file have a name change?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:30
no, but the guid changed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:30
The Daemon Prince? No, something got pushed where you couldn't pick his god so it was a week of posts about that.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 23 2016 15:31
Currently the CSM lord in KDK shows grenades when upgrading to terminator armor. I'm pretty sure it shouldn't.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:33
I wonder how long until people notice that the Lynx can be a Fighter Ace now?
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:34
@cartag ^
I never liked fighter ace :P too many points for something random.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:34
for 35 points, you've got a 1-in-3 to roll +1BS for your Lynx....
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 23 2016 15:34
Yeah. I didn't want to jump in and mess with the KDK file
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:34
Same. I haven't played an army where it was worth it yet.
35 points is well spent elsewhere.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:35
I put Fighter Ace on my Tau Remora to great effect.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:36
Since its only a 1 in 3 its 105 points on average.
seems not worth it to me.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:36
Here are the eldar options:
Eldar/Dark Eldar:
1-2 Dance of the Dawn: The Fighter Ace has +1 Ballistic Skill
3-4 Dance of the Dusk: The Fighter Ace can pivot up to 180-degrees before moving in the Movement phase each turn.
5-6 Symbol of Khaine: All friendly units within 12" of the Fighter Ace that are from the same Faction as the Fighter Ace have the Hatred special rule.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 23 2016 15:36
Interestingly, it was the question of does the Chaos Knight require the purchase of Daemon of Khorne for KDK. Because you can't just purchase a mark of Khorne. If you could avoid purchasing the "daemon" then you could run Legacies of Ruin on the Chaos Knights. But if you're forced to, you loose out on it
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:37
A formation of wraithknights with Hatred????
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:37
Meh for 105 points?
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:37
Given to them by a Flyer (with Hover) 12-12-11 and 5HP?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:37
Remora drones can take it? Isn't that like half their points.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:38
any flyer can take Fighter Ace for 35 points.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:38
but its only a 1 in three it will be what you want.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:38
the other 2 options aren't bad.
in this case, for Eldar, only 1 of them is useless for the Lynx.
12" bubble of Hatred isn't bad.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:39
1 in 6 times i roll a 6 but i still dont think BS 1 gun lines are good.
or BS 2 gunlines wich are 1 in 3.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:39
but 33% of +1BS, 33% for bubble-of-hatred.....
and the last 33% is super-vector-dancer
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:40
It makes "more" sense on an expensive model like a lynx, but all those 35 points add up.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:40
I don't think you understand
it's 35 points only. flat. Nothing more. you can only take it once per roster
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:41
i do :P
im just a minimalist
id rather have more models and do without upgrades.
unless essential.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:42
spoken like a true CSM player
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:42
Haha
I prefer less models, less for me to think on.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:42
I play inquisition/sisters/GK
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:42
Which is why I'm assembling my stormsurge list :)
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:42
i own 3 Stormsurges
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:42
2x Stormsurge, Riptide Wing, Buffmander, 8 Marker Lights, and 10 Fire Warriors
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:42
someday I will field them in a unit
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 23 2016 15:42
@Kohato just play imperial knights and solve your issue. Fewer models. (That and GK)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:43
I'll win or lose by turn 3.
I'm magnetizing the two stormsurges now, then it'll be ready to field.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Mar 23 2016 15:43
There are a few of the Eldar formations that you might want to check out. super-awesome for giving cover to larger models.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:44
In GK "less models" is 10 guys instead of 15.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:44
Haha
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 23 2016 15:45
3 or 5 model army if you go Imperial Knight
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:45
@OftKilted IKs are neat, I always liked the gundam look of Battlesuits over the IK look though
Ik's are definately fun to build though, I've done a warden.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:46
If they looked like gundam's i would play tau :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:46
What, battlesuits? Crisis and riptides are pretty damn close to gundams
Stormsurges less so unless you kitbash arms onto them (which I still may do ... not decided yet)
Ghostkeels just look like Titans from titanfall.
True_Hisop
@hisop
Mar 23 2016 15:47
still too bulky to look gundam-ish, there more "slender"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 15:48
True, they are definately on the fat side for a true gundam.
A cross between a Riptide and a WK would be pretty perfect.
Though a WK can be a pretty convincing EVA unit if painted right.
(Evangeleon)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 23 2016 18:33
@Kohato If you were looking for 'slender gundam like' you'd want to run Eldar anyway. Not Tau.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 18:37
Actually tried them first before I settled on Tau for my 2nd army.
Just didn't enjoy playing them all that much. I like simple armies. So I cut out the psyker phase entirely in the ones I choose :p
I tried Daemons for the same reason, thinking I'd be cutting out the shooting phase ... I was wrong, oh so wrong.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
Mar 23 2016 18:45
The only potential that you could 'cut out the shooting phase' with daemons would be Khorne ... if you had no daemon engines. Or Soul grinders.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 23 2016 19:31
I think I ran tzeench/khorn and had nothing to shoot, but something like 15 warp charges. Just didn't enjoy them either in the end.