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May 2016
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 18:10
Anyone had chance to look at the draft FAQ's yet?
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 18:28
I have a bit. FMC can now change flight mode when summoned!
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 18:32
Where are the draft FAQs posted?
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 18:33
The 40k Facebook page
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 18:34
They answer an "Or" question with a No for independent characters...
And they answered the 1 X vs 1 unit of X! Yeee ha!
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 18:40
And you can officially take formations and models which are in out of print publications .... Hot dizzang! I'm getting more defilers to run as a slaughterbrute pack!
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 18:42
I'm amazed they answer some of these questions
They must've locked the writers in a room
They finally cleared up the "How many relics can an IC take" question
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:34
Well. That makes life simple doesn't it ... No weapon and an armor or armor and something else...
Interestingly there were no apparent codex FAQs
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:35
They literally said in the post that they're doing those after the BRB FAQ :P
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:36
The "unless specifically noted otherwise" for relics artefact is interesting
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:40
To settle a previous discussion RE: Start Collecting formations:
Q: When listing Formations, sometimes it states ‘1 model’ (like 1 Tomb Spyder), while other times it lists ‘1 Unit of models’ (like 1 unit of Tomb Blades). Are these interchangeable?
A: No. The former means a single model of the type listed, while the later means a single unit of the type listed.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:41
Already commented on :+1:
You caught the one on using formations from books that are "out of print" still being valid?
Already commented asking for clarification :)
I want my slaughterfiends dammit
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:46
You can only use it in an Apocalypse game according to the apocalypse formation rules
Well the FAQ on using apoc formations
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:47
Yes, but I want clarification dammit lol
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:47
They said yes! (Just go with it!)
I'm grabbing that ball and running for the door.
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:47
I ask only because the 4 CCW Defiler is not a legal build according to the codex
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:48
It is actually. They have two arms, and a powerscourge (which is a cc weapon)
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:49
It isn't legal. It specifies 4 Dreadnought CCW in the profile for it
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:49
And the Autocannon can be replaced with another powerfist
The autocannon can, but the heavy flamer cannot
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:53
The flamer can be replaced with a Power Scourge. The "unit type at the top" lists "defilers with 4 close combat weapons"
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:53
It literally states beneath it it has 4 DCCW
Power scourge is not valid
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:53
3+ Slaughterfiends (Defilers with 4 Close Conbat Weapons)
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:54
Look under Weapons and Equipment
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:54
It is a close combat weapon, and has a weapon profile
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:54
It specifies explicitly that it is 4 DCCW, not just any 4 melee weapons
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:55
Powerscourge 8 2 Melee,flail
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:56
Have you read anything I've said?
I circled it for you
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A Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon is a distinct weapon profile. It is same stats as a Powerfist minus Unwieldy.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:57
yes, I read that. I also read the other item at the top describing the unit
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:58
A power scourge isn't a CCW, it's a melee weapon
there is a distinction there
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:58
Formation: 3+ Slaughterfiends (Defilers with 3 Close combat weapons)
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:58
a Chainaxe isn't a CCW, it's a melee weapon. Same with a Power Sword, Chainfist, etc
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 19:58
Sorry 4 ccw
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 19:59
a Close Combat Weapon is a distinct weapon profile as well. If it said "Defilers with four melee weapons" I'd agree with you
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:03
Well. It we were opponents, I'd be liberal minded enough to let you play the formation in an Apoc game :-)
(Squishing Berzerkers when rolling a double FTW)
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:05
I've been a rules lawyer for years, even when it goes against what I want to do. I blame it on being a good M:TG player in the mid 90's and being the person everybody came to for answers.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:07
I believe that the intent, given that it is an old formation, is it requires 4 weapons with the Melee type. Especially as those (the DCCW) options for the Apoc game are not available in the current codex.
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:08
There are datasheets leaking for flyers and their new combat roles. I'm thinking we create a separate profile type for flyers similar to the Transport profile. Will that work for everybody?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:08
So, we're looking at RAI vs RAW. From RAW, you're completely right.
can we just add it to the current flyers profile?
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:10
There are three new stats, Combat Role, Pursuit, and Agility
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:10
Yep, role, pursuit and agility. Add them to the current template
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:10
Flyers use the same profile as vehicles currently, and there's no place for those in the vehicles profile
unless we just expanded out the vehicle profile to include them
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:11
We would have to add it to the transports as well then .... As there are flyer transports
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:11
which is why a Flyer profile type would be better
just covering those stats
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:12
If we're doing that I vote that we may want to use the same Guid type for the various old stats, so they could just be "flipped" to the new type without loosing stats
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:12
or have you seen the transport profile yet?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:14
Haven't looked at it for a while ... My recollection may be hazy
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:14
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Something like this, covering the flyer rules
I'm slowly getting them added for the current version of BS
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:15
Ahh, interesting expansion. I was looking at less verbosity.
Though... I like your description better
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:15
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Here's a screenshot of the Heldrake new datasheet
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:16
We still need stuff for the IA:13 flyers. :-/
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:17
This book hasn't even been released yet :P But yeah, hopefully FW updates as well
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:18
Hopefully FW do a mass FAQ for all their flyers in one go
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:18
^^^
After flyers make one 90 degree turn, they can try for another, rolling a D6. Have to get above their Agility to do it
sorry, below agility
Zooming flyers can Flat Out 12"-24" plus Pursuit in a straight line
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:23
Cartag .. Are you the renegades and heretics maintainer... Or was that handed over to someone else?
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:24
I was asked not to touch it since somebody else was maintaining it, and I don't know if they've done anything with it at all
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:24
Ahh no worries. I recalled you doing stuff and then noticed you weren't on that list.
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:28
the turning means we'd be able to theoretically vector strike the same unit multiple turns in a row
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:29
Or Baleflamer...
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:30
can do both
nm, I realized that's stupid
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:30
Well yes
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:30
you can't baleflamer something you're already past
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:30
But not the same unit since they stopped it firing from it's bottom
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:30
I are smart
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:31
I used to hate that
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:48
And you can't vector strike if you jink
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 20:48
this isn't a jink :)
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:48
I believe that was also faq'd
And hull mounted only get a 45 degree arc of fire.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:54
I'm still amazed they answered all of these, quite a few are just rules from the rulebook
Tau suits with multi trackers got a real nice boost
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 04 2016 20:55
Yea. Double overeatch
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:55
Can now fire 2 weapons in overwatch and when intecepting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 04 2016 20:55
And confirmed storm surge shooting everything
Intercepting was all weapons I thiught
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:56
the BS2 overwatch upgrade might be fun to use
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 04 2016 20:56
All that had interceptor. Which is all with a velocity.
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:56
Well the multitracker says "in the shooting phase"
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 20:56
"For the greater good" they said .... Socialist Xenos scum. Can't be a true heretic ... Have to "friend zone" it out ... :-P
penguin20000
@penguin20000
May 04 2016 20:56
Intercept happens in the movement...
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
May 04 2016 21:07
yes, the FAQ is better. But it still can cause some issues.
The 1-relic answer, specifically, should have been in the codex-FAQs, not in the BRB. it raises all sorts of problems with Tau Buffmander, since the codex says multiple-selections.
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 21:23
That is part of the unless there is an exception?
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 22:51
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or do we want it all on one line? with just extra columns for everything else that may not be needed?
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 22:52
One line would be good if possible
Cleaner too
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 22:57
All one line would require the entire profile to be recreated for each flyer, I just tried it out
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 23:02
Hmm. Even with a copy of the guid for the various fields?
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 23:02
The issue is that the profile itself doesn't update unless you change it to another type then back again
when you change it back, it loses all the info it had previously
OftKilted
@OftKilted
May 04 2016 23:04
That's typically because the type it is changed to doesn't map the guid to the same fields... Based on my mucking around ... But I haven't gone from more data to less data ...
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 23:06
that's because the GUID cannot be the same for multiple profiles, and it doesn't save the info if the field is the same if you switch from one to another
if consensus is that it is to be all one line, and everybody is okay with recreating all flyer profiles vs just adding a profile, I can do it that way.
here's how it would look as one line
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It wouldn't extend a blank box on the others, it would just add to the end of select lines
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
May 04 2016 23:18
Some time ago I've created a tool that might be helpful with what you plan on doing. It requires knowledge of XSLT but there are helpful samples from updating to new 40k edition.
By analogy to 'Monstrous Creature touchup' you could add characteristics to all profiles at once.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
May 04 2016 23:23
And thanks to git, you can try-check-reset-repeat until you create XSLT that does exactly what you want. Just remember that it'd be best to re-do all files simultaneously, so post a warning issue and give people grace period to upload any changes and then quickly do the trick and push to master.
Also if you go this way, I wouldn't mind you posting the XSLT up to the app's repo for future reference :)
cartag
@cartag
May 04 2016 23:26
reading through it now