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25th
May 2016
cartag
@cartag
May 25 2016 04:48
That summoned Bloodthirster one was part of the general FAQ. It was Baer from Spiky Bits doing click bait again
I believe it was anyway, let me track it down
cartag
@cartag
May 25 2016 04:54
Q: If you play Daemons and you successfully summon a Bloodthirster using the Daemonology psychic powers, what profile will the Bloodthirster have: the one in Codex: Chaos Daemons, or one of the ones in Codex: Khorne Daemonkin?
A:You can choose to use any of the army list entries from Codex: Chaos Daemons, Codex: Khorne Daemonkin or War Zone Fenris: Curse of the Wulfen – but not Skarbrand!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:04
Oh. Well then ...
That sucks
I mean, it's good - but no Chaos FAQ sucks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:32
I've come to realize iOS behaves in the oddest way with conditionals :/
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:33
Ooo yes.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:33
It looks at the first instance of an increment conditional and just pretends it doesn't exist.
Because ... why not.
Everything after? works fine. but that first one, nope.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:33
And links dont work properly either sometimes :P
IOS just sicks
*Sucks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:34
On the plus side, I'm learning about every duct tape patch there is for making it work.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:34
Haha the hours of life i have wasted on work arounds for IOS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:34
Haha, hopefully now that I know them it'll stick with me.
They're dirty solutions, but they work :smile:
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:35
Think of all the re-working we will do when 2.0 hits if they are resoled
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:36
Hah, If it reduces clutter in the cats that's fine.
Of the workarounds I use the only one that actually is using an excess of lines is the Incriment/Decriment workaround.
Since i'm just using a lot of "Set Max/Set Min" instead.
The show/hide one is easy enough. Jon added "Is Not Instance Of" which'll be nice, but won't save all that much over Hide If Less than 1.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:39
/the linking one also does, as you need to copy the same entries in multiple locations to overcome it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:39
Ew that sucks.
Haven't run into that one y et
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:41
This message was deleted
An example is #2092 dissected above.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:41
Sneaky, I still saw it :smile:
@hisop
*Dissected.
lol
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:42
I was in a rush to re do the comment as the No was wrong :P
damn auto correct
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:42
haha
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:44
i should realy do #2103 but its a hassle :P i hate adding new entries especially complex ones.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:48
ugh that does look like a pain
I'm gonna close the Space Wolves issues today since @SuperPranx is off and on he says. I'll look at adding those while i'm working on stuff if you want.
If i'm putting off my 2.0 rewrite of C:SM I'd rather at least be closing issues instead ;p
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:51
I think its worth closing issues we con only resolve in 2.0 we can always raise them later but i think most of us will re-wirte for 2.0 anyway.
solving them as we go.
For now they are just clutter.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:53
Yea, I hope that's the case for 2.0
I'm curious if I can figure out a workaround for some of these though :/
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:55
As you can see thats what i was doing previously :P
But some are a hassle
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:55
also - an aside for 2.0, I think we should all reset the catalogs to V1
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:55
I agree
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:55
This big of a change to cats, a fresh versioning would be good.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:56
May have to ask john to add something about deleting cats when you upgrade though
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:56
Yea, that'd be a good idea.
Has anyone tested rosters at all?
With the 2.0 repository.
Like, will a 1.15 roster work with a 2.0 catalog?
assuming no changes, just base conversion to 2.0
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:57
for the most part they do
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:57
Alright
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 13:57
i had a 1 line change for sisters
one condition "forgot the child"
ohers worked fine
but im probably going to re-work a few things atleast for each before release.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 13:58
Yea, I imagine it'll just be best to re-make most army lists for people
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:03
oh yeah do you have a link for death from the skies? so i can add in to other cat's?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:04
I keep it on my jump.
I'll throw it on dropbox.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:04
Awesome
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:06
thank you
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:07
np
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:44
Whelp, there's 1 that I can't figure out how to elegently do :/
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:44
which?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:45
the collective bug
where it increments bolt pistols by 2 instead of 1 but only when you have 5 selections of something else at the same time.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:45
you can take the wepons at a squad level
not great though but its all i could think of
cartag
@cartag
May 25 2016 14:45
what's the issue you're having?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:45
Yea, But then setting max with increment would introduce the iOS bug.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:45
or do the "scout with sniper rifle" "scout with bolter"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:46
with increment just being ignored for the first time.
Yea, that might work.
@2014 cartag.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:46
#
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:46
er. ... #2014
Trying to clear the 3 space wolf issues that've been open for months.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:46
Look at sister of battle squad in adeptus sororitas for an example
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:46
Scout with sniper would be a good way to go about it.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:48
scratch that not the best example, grey knights melle weapons is better but i think you see what i mean.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:50
oh yea - that is good.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 14:51
yeah think its the best option, "grey knight - strike squad"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 14:52
yea that's the one i'm looking at now
cartag
@cartag
May 25 2016 14:56
If all else fails, there's how the Chosen are done in CSM
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:10
GK example worked :)
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:10
Great :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:10
Not in line with the rest of SW, but this one could also do with a revamp to condense un-needed things.
Entire shared entries are marked Collective ... I can't mess with much without breaking so much else.
So for now, it works.
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
May 25 2016 15:22
I've made changes to some of those in areas I've touched in the past because the 'collective' part was breaking some of the new formations. I agree that it needs a revamp... maybe even a do-over when 2.0 is done.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:23
Yea, @SuperPranx, the more issues I look into, the more I find a lot of revamps can be done when 2.0 hits.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:32
Yeah its a real Hodge poge it was a nightmare to add the wulfen stuff in. its been patched togeter over years it coulr do with e re-write but it would take an age.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:32
Yep :/ Oh well, C:SM first - then perhaps Space wolves.
I think I can get the other two issues working/fixed for now
That +1 WS is a tricky bitch.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:32
Haha, most of the cats i manage are small but thats why they are many :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:33
Haha, I don't even play C:SM and I decided to take it over lol
Tau and Necrons are mine, but those are both well organized.
My roomate does though, so after hearing him voice his issues - figured I'd just try and fix them :p
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:34
The problem witht he likes of SM and wolves is they are so large and have so many sources half a dozen people contribute and theyy have no central authority.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:34
yea ... how I wish we could choose a single format and guidelines for cat creation and then stick to them across all codex.
Yataa, +1 WS works for Strike Force Daggerfist!
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:37
Well this is on a volunteer basis and most regular managers don't have the time to enforce this kind of thing.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:37
It's ugly .. but what fixes do I make that aren't :/
Oh yea, that's what I mean.
Just wistful thinking.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:38
Congrats on the fix's :P
cartag
@cartag
May 25 2016 15:44
shit, I didn't get anything fixed last night. I'm sorry for saying I would fix it and then failing to. I'm a horrible person :(
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:44
Nah it doesnt matter :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:44
? Don't worry about it. We sat at 45 issues for a month and a half.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:44
Dont worry about it.
And that was mostly my fault :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:45
I'm ecctatic that we're down to 15 (soon to be 12)
cartag
@cartag
May 25 2016 15:47
bad mental health day, sorry :/
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:48
I said "il fix that now" about the skitarii maniple formation for like a month :P and @Kohato did it in the end :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:51
Haha yea. You don't have to do it, but I will eventually if you don't :p
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:57
@SuperPranx so for #2000 the most elegent way to fix it now was this - in Strike Fist Dagger force, there is now a manditory selection of "Kingsguard" for the WG/WGT units, which will modify the profiles. It is hidden in a regular CAD.
That should suffice for a fix until we get Ancestor in 2.0
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:58
does it work in IOS (show/hide has issues)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:58
Does if you hide :)
and not show.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 15:58
Great :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 15:58
Another wonderful ios quirk.
has no problem hiding something, but emprah forbid you try to show something already hidden
Figuring that one out was the only way to fix Angels of Death on ios.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 16:00
It was a nightmare for IK
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 16:00
Yea I imagine :(
Especially with War convo.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 16:00
Yeah war convo and FW combo was a pain
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 16:00
Though that was an elegent way to do the war convocation
the sub-forces.
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
May 25 2016 16:26
I love the way the Wolf Scouts work now. Nice fix :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 16:26
all @hisop there, he pointed me to Gray Knights :)
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
May 25 2016 16:26
Thank you both :)
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 16:27
*grey :P Haha no worries, its my preferred system for squad load-outs like this.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 16:28
Color Colour
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 16:29
But for once it is a British franchise :P so i will defend The "Correct" spelling :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 16:29
Hahaha
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 16:44
Any opinions on #1528?
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 16:45
Can just make it a choice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 16:45
Agreed. I'll start on that then.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 16:59
Wait, i'm confused ... Hades is already set as a dedicated transport in IA12.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 17:04
But it doesn't change the squad to elite if it's taken
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 17:05
Ahah - thanks.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 17:05
Whitch is impossible
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 17:05
Yea, no way to do that, but I can add two versions - 1 elite, 1 not.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 17:05
But we can add something into elites
Beat me to it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 17:05
was just confused on what was actually needed - thanks.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 17:16
Wow ... MECHANICUM ORDINATUS
that thing looks awesome
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 17:22
lmao 700 and 1075 points.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 17:34
Yup
I'm going to add It in tonight I hope
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 17:35
Doing it now :)
I ran out of issues to fix.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 17:35
Ahh fair doos Haha
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 17:45
Holy crap this thing will be hard to kill for anyone but necrons. ... even for necrons.
14HP, 6+ invuln.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 17:52
And more vocal disbelief. One of the choices has a 180" range SD AP1 10" Blast.
I can decimate an army 3 tables over.
That's 15 feet.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 17:56
Haha yeah foreword like to push the boundaries
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 17:58
The other option is pretty cool. It's a beam weapon ... but 7" wide beam instead of 1mm wide beam.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 19:02
Added :), also hidden unless Show FW is chosen in No Force Org.
So feel free to use that for future FW entries as well.
Well, i should say, it's shown unless there are 0 entries of Show FW chosen ... to be truley correct.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
May 25 2016 20:36
Are there really enough entries in the Mechanicum list to merit hiding Forge World entries? The hide Forge World buttons have been defended in the past to handle the excessive catalogs (C:SM and friends), not for prudishness about Forge World.
cartag
@cartag
May 25 2016 20:52
I think Show FW was considered the standard just due to the bigger files needing it. I see no problem with leaving it or for that
Leaving it out*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 20:53
Lol not at all. 2 models. I just love keeping things consistent so I added it
I'll take it out when I get home. Quick 7 lines to delete.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 21:13
May As well keep it but reverse it to show by default maybe, that's what I did for IK as there's not enough to justify hiding for readability but it's useful for tournaments or if you only have source material.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 21:23
Show by default then hide if breaks it on iOS.
er, no - other way around ...
wait what do you mean then
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 21:26
Look at IK
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 21:51
Ah, yea I match IK.
Showing by default and hiding if no insstance of Show Forgeworld selected.
@capitaladot was saying there's no need for the filter at all since there's only 2 models.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 21:54
I know but I think it has a use case
It's a nice feature to have and it ads uniformity
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 21:55
Ah, that's what you're getting at. Yes - I agree. I like uniformity.
A lot.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
May 25 2016 22:18
Uniformly bad user experience. Lots of extra clicks to build a list for no real reason.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 22:35
1.
not lots. 1
Sorry, 2
I think an extra click or 2 extra taps on the phone is better if it helps achieve uniformity for people who use multiple catalogs.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 22:39
And you only need the extra clicks if you want to hide it otherwise it's no different to bot having it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 22:55
Other way around. Extra click or 2 taps on phone to show it. same as IK has it.
True_Hisop
@hisop
May 25 2016 23:20
I reversed IK to the other way
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 25 2016 23:21
ohh. Mine must be out of date then