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18th
Aug 2016
cartag
@cartag
Aug 18 2016 02:08
For the new people working on the Deathwatch book, feel free to reference the KDK file for how the formations and structure is laid out. I believe the SM one is laid out similarly, but KDK is going to have a lot fewer options and be easier to navigate
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 11:03
Sm is for 2.0. 1.0 sm is a mess. Don't use that lol.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 21:40
I'm updating the Ork codex with the Forgeworld DFtS update, and I ran into a snag. 1st they mispelled Warkopta. 2nd it isn't a flier. 3rd it comes in squadrons.
Any ideas how to reconcile these issues?
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 21:41
My first thought is a bit of interpretation of what the rules mean.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 21:42
Yeah, so I ASSUME they are changing the unit type to Flier (Hover) so that it can get the new stats. But that doesn't feel like a terribly comfortable assumption.
The reason I assume it would have Hover mode is that it is a transport and doesn't have any sort of teleport beam like the Night Scythe.
I have no idea how to handle the squadron thing. Are there any other Squadronable fliers that have flyer wings?
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 21:45
None that I can think of outside of formations.
I think it's still supposed to be a skimmer, unless you've found something else.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 21:46
Leave it a skimmer? That avoids the other problems
I could make the profile a flier profile and add the stats, but leave the unit type Skimmer.
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 21:47
I'd say go for that.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 21:47
So yes or no to flyer wings?
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 21:48
My only reference for this at the moment is the pdf you've linked to which says it's a skimmer, so AFAIK it's staying a skimmer.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 21:50
OK. I'd like to add a rule that is "Designer's Note: Forgeworld has given the Warkopta flier stats for Death From the Skies as if it is a flier. However, because the current datasheet is in the Dread Mob PDF, we've decided to leave it a Skimmer until such time as Forgeworld releases an updated datasheet"
Does that fit within our standards and practices?
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 21:51
That sounds fair. I think fw may have forgotten what their own units do. I'm not too hot on the practices as I've just got here :/
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 21:52
Fair enough. I'm kinda new too, and don't want to do anything too weird.
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 21:53
Me neither. I've been busy myself mostly and have resigned myself to hang around the issue tracker.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:03
@tag8833 that's acceptable, also consider adding a duplicate for it with the alt profile using GW treatment of iron priest as precise the
Precident*
Er... However it's spelled
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 22:04
That zany autocorrect.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:04
GWs supplement offered an alternate profile that was ruled to be a choice of which to use.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:04
That was what I Started doing 1st, but I stopped, because I don't have a datasheet for any profile that is a flier.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:04
Oh they didn't add Armor values?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:05
No. They added nothing but the flier stats to a unit that isn't a flier
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:05
Then keep skimmer. Treat it as a fw error on that dfts sheet that shouldn't have been included
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 22:05
It originally had av10 on all facings.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:05
Which is likely what it is
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:05
As far as I know it still does.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:05
Oh
Ohh it's already a vehicle
I was thinking kopta being a jet bike
cartag
@cartag
Aug 18 2016 22:06
Already a vehicle, not a flyer.
I'd say make it a flyer profile but leave the unit type the same
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:06
Could treat it as the space marine fw speeder
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 22:06
Might be thinking of the deffkopta
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:06
Check that one out in the pdf
It is a slimmer that now has a flyer mode
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:07
Yeah, the only thing that would have to change is from a Skimmer to a Flier (hover) and the new rules would make sense, but that is a pretty big leap for me to make based on an assumption
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:07
I forget the name but it's in the same pdf. I'd consider treating it like that
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:07
Which pdf?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:08
The fw one
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:08
The Dread Mob Update?
Or the DFtS Update?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:08
No the dfts obe@
... Fat fingers
One*
tempest land speeder
Had a little asterisk.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:09
That has got to be the answer
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:09
It sounds like the warcopta should've had that same asterisk
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:09
They just left the asterick off the Warkopta
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:10
Yep I'd treat it as that honestly
Makes the most sense in shared context
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:10
That makes perfect sense in a poorly designed overly complicated rules sort of way
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:10
Haha
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 22:10
How a landspeeder is a flyer I shall me er know
*never know
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:11
Afterburner!
If you go fast enough in 1 direction, you're flying.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:11
I'm going to call it the "Forgeworld Doesn't understand Fliers" rule.
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 22:11
I can only imagine a landspeeder trying to dogfight.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:11
Haha
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:16
Brings me to my 3rd issue. Can those non-fliers be taken as part of a Flyer Wing?
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 22:18
I think if we're not going to call the flyers then they can't be in a flyer wing.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:18
OK
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 22:19
Undoubtedly someone will complain of this "oversight" and have us change it again...
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:20
Attak Fighta are a flier, and can squadron. When i'm building them a Flyer Wing am I building them a Wing of Squadrons?
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 22:22
That sounds awfully meta. I believe that the flyer wings are comprised of single model units so not wings of squadrons.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 18 2016 22:23
Correct universe
Universalerror
@Universalerror
Aug 18 2016 22:24
Smashing.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Aug 18 2016 22:24
Alright. I'm on it.
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 18 2016 23:12
Evening. I have a Deathwatch Code file built, but have run into some issues with how the formations are laid out. Having multiple units comprise 1 main unit, and various model limits per unit has my head spinning. I've never worked on anything like this before. The C AD seems to work the way the RAW has them. Any suggestions on how to move forward? I didn't want to just dump a file I know has issues up.