These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

23rd
Aug 2016
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:00
Like instead of this:
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KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:00
Sure is. As I say, with having multiple units having to validate max numbers against other units, that was the only reliable way to do it.
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:01
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KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:01
Yup. Doing that breaks the formations that link to the biker.
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:02
Do you have a PDF or an EPUB of the codex so I can take a look?
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:04
That's not saying 1 Biker, it's saying 1 unit of bikers
looking further though
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:04
a unit of bikers can be 1 biker
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:04
I only saw the first few lines, my bad
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:05
this codex is like no other that gw has ever made, wrt the mixing of units within a larger unit
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:06
Well if that's the case, you shouldn't need to separate things out to just 1 model as an entry. You should be able to do a Bikers entry, min 1 model instead of 3 like most biker squads are
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:07
Yup. And then when I have a 'master' unit that contains bikers, veterans, vanguard veterans etc, it looks at UNITS of bikers etc, rather than how many bikers are in the biker unit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:07
I'm confused
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:07
the master unit has a max of 10 models, but can contain less. And a mix of the types.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:07
what master unit is that in the book?
are you talking about the kill team formations?
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:09
Which master unit has a max number of models?
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:09
yes, the kill teams
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:09
Those are just formations.
Treat them as formations - check out KDK.
Entry group with max 10, give the choices.
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:11
Ah, I see where you're meaning
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:11
i looked at kdk. didnt work for me, but id love to see how someone else could make it work
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:11
Ahh I see now
I actually have that taken care of in SM 2.0
Supplements have that restriction
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:12
where were you 4 days ago? :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:12
Not sure if possible in 1.15 - I can check though
The way 2.0 handles conditionals helps a lot.
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:13
Heard that. Which is why I ant to remake this file for 2.0. I'm not happy with this one, but it lets me make armies
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:15
You can simplify this WAY down in 2.0, you can implement "Bikers" as a singular entity, like they are in KDK. Just set the Min/Max from 1/5 to 1/1, IF the ancestor of the Bikers is Kill Team 1 OR Kill Team 2 OR blah blah blah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:16
In 2.0 you can set contitionals based on "Models"
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:16
This way the user would have to add in X number of Biker units to fill it out, or they could reduce max based on other
wait, we have a "Models" conditional? WTF
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:16
And as long as your individual models in units are labled correctly - you can reduce max based on instances of "Models"
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:16
Why wasn't I notified of this? I demand to see the manager
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:16
Hahahaha
Yes.
You can do a conditional based on "Anything, Unit, Model, or Upgrade"
Thats why I'm going through every one of our 2.0 codex files
to fix things
so people can use them :o
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:17
Well I'll be damned... The above is proof that I don't always know wtf I'm talking about
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:17
Because I just have this feeling only a handful of us will actually be ready on 2.0 day
So I wanted to get things ready :)
Hey, learn something new all the time with this work :p
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cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:22
So you're telling me that this works rather than three conditional checks to see if there are 9-18, 19-28, and 29+ models, I can do this?
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:23
Should
Yes.
That should increase your heavy weapons max by 1 for every 10 "Models" in the chaos cultist selection group
as long as you have the right entries set as Models it should work
Notice I say should a lot ... alpha is alpha :p
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:24
"Cultists" and "Cultist Champion" are both set to Model
Testing now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:24
Then by design it would increase by 1 for every 10 in any combination of those 2
Blame Jon if it doesn't work like I claim
:p
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:25
Have you tested it yet?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:26
I believe I used it for upgrade cost increases on units
camo cloaks, jump packs, etc.
KwaiLoCDN
@KwaiLoCDN
Aug 23 2016 00:27
I'm going to poke about under some 2.0 codexes hoods now. Have a good night.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:28
SM, Chaos, KDK, Necrons are "Done"
Oh, and officio.
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:28
Not increasing
Bug report, AWAY!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:28
The rest are just clones of 1.0 until I go through them
Good, that might spur him to another build
Testflight is gonna yell at me here in a couple weeks.
the countdown timer is getting lower ;p
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:32
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Is it bad to say that GW has killed any interest I have in 40k right now?
BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#115
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:36
Hmm, yea - what you have appears right
as long as champion and cultist were set as model - it all checks out
For shits and giggles, try without the shared marker?
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:38
on which
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:38
the conditional
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:39
no dice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:39
Didn't think it would :/
just like trying everything
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:39
I've put various combinations on things, one for the max selections, and other ones to modify point values of the two upgrades
I figure one way or another, something will EVENTUALLY register and I can copy it. No sense in testing one option at a time when I can test five
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:39
so it's just not detecting the model
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:43
AHA!
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:44
ok so it just doesn't like the repeat conditionsl
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:44
Nope
that's not it
In Query, it must be Selections in Parent, not Selections in (insert X unit here)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:45
ohh!!
Didn't think of that
nice!
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:47
You just helped me change this:
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To this
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It should technically work both ways though. Updated bug report
I think we just out-nerded @KwaiLoCDN
This was too much, he had to leave XD
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 00:54
You have just made my night
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 00:58
Haha
Glad I could help :)
I looked for a LOT of ways to cut down SM.
And it still loads like molassas
but at least it loads ;p
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 01:10
Wow, swapping out 1 unit with Model counting vs counting Champ and selections in standard troop dropped my file size uncompressed by 2k
2kb
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 01:11
oh nice
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 01:12
You know how every so often you see something that makes you say "that is clearly the way to do it, why didn't I think of that?"
That's me right now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 01:14
haha
yea, that'll happen
2nd set of eyes'll always help
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 01:14
See, if I were cocky I'd say "You know the reaction you had looking at the KDK file?" :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 01:14
Yea, it's about that
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 01:16
I thought of a feature it would be nice to have also
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 01:16
oh yea?
cartag
@cartag
Aug 23 2016 01:17
So for Chaos, the cult units can be troops with the right criteria being met
Zerkers go from Elites to Troops if you have either Kharn or a MoK Lord
We need a modifier for links, Set Category to "X"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Aug 23 2016 01:19
Yea that'd be nice
I just link it in both and show/hide at the moment
a conditional modifier would be so much cleaner.