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2nd
Nov 2016
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 02 2016 06:32
weird… my github files and synced file from battlescribe are different
i still have the old gst when i sync though BS but the new v1 from github
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 02 2016 06:58
@/all is anyone working on the GST right now?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 11:00
No I'm in bed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 12:54
@hisop Anyone seen Hisop around?
Seems to be MIA for about half a year... I'd take over Skitarii and AdMech since that is the 2nd army I play and therefore have an idea how they work. Guess that file needs its 2.0 rework too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 12:57
I say don't wait
I'd rather the files be all 2.0 compliant
then you can discuss who wants to maintain it
(on that subject, I have no objections to someone more active recently taking ownership)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 12:58
yeah, that's a logical.. but once I get my claws into it I'll not let it go ;)
I've not been very active because, simply, there was not much to do (2.0 really snuck up on me). I had the 1.15 file in pretty good condition...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 12:59
If you have the time, go for it is what I say
I'll be touching up IK's here at some point today I think
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 13:00
and I'd be pretty frecked off if someone changed around my DA file without even giving me notice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:00
If I get time at lunch
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 13:00
having a quick peek at the skitarii fole wont hurt however... just.. a small... look...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:01
If things aren't broken, and there's no reason for changes? Yea - no reason to touch a file
but in this case, if you can fix it, fix it
don't wait for fear of stepping on toes
If you hadn't done DA already, it would've just gone on my list to address as I get time
I wouldn'tve waited.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 13:02
yah, cross those 2 off of your list, I'll very likely do them today/tomorrow
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:02
(+1) Sounds good
:+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 13:03
and if @hisop doesnt raise his voice I'll claim ownership
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:03
If you do end up maintaining, just edit the wiki so users know who to contact directly if they need
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 13:04
sure
only reason I didn't grab it was - other people were faster with it ;=
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:06
I'm so happy we have profiles and rules in BRB now.
Hopefully that will mean no more "Why dont' special rules show for this book" tickets
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 13:06
that honestly was a bit of work, but is very nice
reduced file size and clutter by a good margin
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:07
Oh yea, linking them all is a bit of upfront work for everyone
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 13:07
min/max now also work on links
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:07
Yep, makes formations nice and easy
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 13:07
finally being able to remove those superfluous entrys....
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:07
Shared entry for the unit
link the unit to formation
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 13:08
yeah, still got some cleanup to do on the DA file
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:08
@flakpanda you may need to purge data manually - Menu > Manage Data > Menu > Clear All Data
That's the drawback to reverting to v1 - but we felt it was warranted due to how massive a change it was for the GST
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2016 13:21
Anyone here work the HH repos?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:21
Not I.
40k's enough of a wallet drain without buying FW :( so I stay away from that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2016 13:21
Ok - conditionals are broke as fuck, hence why I asked
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 13:22
Yea, they'll all need to be rejiggered
ResidentSteve
@ResidentSteve
Nov 02 2016 14:31
@flakpanda heads up, Deathwatch Decurion not showing. I see the fix went in earlier but alas unsuccessful
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
Nov 02 2016 15:02
What's the general consensus, is it easier to start over with a file or update the existing one?
Also, is anyone working on the Space Wolves codex for BS2 at the moment?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 15:06
oh vastly easier to update
No, I have not touched it yet

Here is the simplified list of what to do for updating:

1) Go through and fix conditionals/constraints that got messed up in conversion
2) Remove local BRB profiles/references and link to the ones in GST
3) Move all MDEC (Meta-Decurion/Meta-Detachment) forces from the GST into the codex.

Yes, @Thairne i'm pushing MDEC now. because I like it :p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2016 15:18
I made an alphabetic list of all the rules and profiles from the GST while i was doing the conversion for blood angels:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6t81ccz730mu8za/rules%20list%20sorted.xml?dl=0
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 15:19
Nice
Also, if you noticed/didn't notice
I snuck in psyker powers ~.o
Feel free to use them
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2016 15:21
yeah, i used the warlord traits and powers from the gst in the GC file
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 15:22
Oh yea, I added those too
Haha forgot I put those in
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2016 15:22
ive also noticed we can add rules to detachments now, so would it be worth adding things like ObSec to the GST
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 15:22
I'll add the Chaos ones from Traitor's Hate sometime too
I woudln't argue against it
Feel free to add it when you strip out the Wolf MDECs
since you'll be in the GST anyway
Or I will sometime soon
either way, good idea
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2016 17:21
I've added ObSec to the shared rules in the GST and linked it (and added Ideal Mission Commander) in CAD and Allied detachments
Just a heads up in case anyone has it in their catalogue
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 02 2016 17:29
@Kohato yeah, I wiped the data files and then re synced. I guess bs doesn't just pull down the current file unless the version number is higher than the local one. Because I noticed SM file is v5 now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 17:29
Yep, that is correct.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 02 2016 17:34
I'm doing now in the app too. :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 18:45
oh fuck. What did I get myself into... Skitarii, CultMech AND IK... all sharing Force Orgs...
that.. is going to be a headache.
start small. Get the files up to snuff.
breathes deeply
oh god... this... no.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 18:52
Yep, I was hoping the conversion didn't break war convocation
and it ... shouldn't I think
Just going to be interesting tying those together
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 18:53
that one looks tricky in itself, lest alone make it survive the conversion...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 18:53
It is quite tricky. Hisop worked some magic for it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 18:53
I'll clean up the files individually. Less work later
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 18:53
Yea for those i say clean first. worry about moving forces for those last cause of what is involved
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 18:53
looks like he cloned each entry for war convocation and reduced the points to zero for everything
and then checked all possible detachments instead of saying "if this then show"
oh boy. This is gonna take a while :D
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 02 2016 18:59
Have fun?
I need to start going thru and changing the brb rule links
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:19
@Thairne
I think i know how to do cult/skitarii/knights formations
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:19
Do tell!
im just cleaning up the skitarii file
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:19
I'm going to experiment and i'll see if it works
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:20
I didnt put much thought in it, but I would have set modifier for pts depending on instance of force to be the war convo
to avoud all those duplicate entries...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:20
Its not so much the points as moving the force types out of GST
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:21
thats a problem too.. dont know if BS likes having the same ID's in 3 files..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:22
It ... doesn't
sometimes
It can be used creatively I think
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:22
....
tell my family... that... i love them...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:23
I think It will work if you put the ADM War Convocation with the same ID in all 3 cat files (Skit/Adm/IK) and then the sub part (Skit/Adm/IK) in the respective cat files under that adm force
it should work
You'd also add the Fortification part to each one
I'll try it out and see if it works how I think
oh hey
skit/cult converted wtihout errors
joy joy
IK ... well not so much
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:26
lots of constraints got lost there, yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:26
All due to the war conv.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:26
yep
i've justthrown them out, wanting to fix them later
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:26
that's fine that's easy
Yep - same
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:28
ok, looks like the standard skitarii maniple works.
now to finetuning.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:40
have you touched IK yet?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:40
just barely.. basically... no
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:40
Ok - I forgot I'd already stripped their two forces out
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:41
i intend to get skitarii done today and then continue tomorrow
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:41
Just didn't upload them
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 02 2016 19:41
that would be helpful, less work ;=
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:41
I'll upload the IK with the 2 forces in it now. I haven't done anything past that
Oh, I did remove the War convocation entries
but you did that too :p
Still testing that out to see what might work
And I apparnetly did it to Legion and Inquisition too.
I did a lot more in prep than I thought I did
I actually did it to GK and DA as well
So, sorry - that would've saved you some work if I'd remembered to copy those over :(
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 19:57
@efalsken I moved Craftworld Warhost into the Cat file for Eldar, just FYI.
@tag8833 you said i'm good to clear out Ork forces from GST right?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:09
oh, @Thairne - when you do a release - use this for the description: Full changelog: https://github.com/BSData/wh40k/compare/v5.0.5...v5.0.6 (change the old/new tag numbers) and it will link to the full changelog. saves you from having to type it all out
@GenWilhelm , you may want to open up a bug for Jon for #2613 ... crashing in low mem mode is probably not an issue with the cat file.
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Nov 02 2016 20:19
@Kohato do you still need me to go through the constraints in the Eldar file?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:19
There were no conflicts when I opened the file
It still may have some wonkyness in the roster though
I'll take a look later if you want
I'd just noticed I did this in 2.0prep so they were already gone from the GST
I wanted to get them added to the cat quickly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2016 20:20
@Kohato #2529 the assault squads are now 70 points
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Nov 02 2016 20:20
ok. I probably won't have time right away anyways
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:20
Np. I'll take a look if I do. It looked good in the editor
Ah nice - I didn't know they'd re-done the codex
70 it is then
Marina
@Marina42
Nov 02 2016 20:22
can someone take a look at #2621 ? I've found this bug, looked at the cat but I can't see what's wrong, everything looks fine in the constraints :/
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:23
Yea I will
I converted that for 2.0
Marina
@Marina42
Nov 02 2016 20:24
ty :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:25
Works fine on windows
You're using the Officio detachment?
works fine on IOS too
Marina
@Marina42
Nov 02 2016 20:26
I've tried it on mac, so far
forgot to mention that on the issue :/
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:27
if it works on ios, i'd think it work on mac
You're using the detachment and the new data?
Marina
@Marina42
Nov 02 2016 20:31
ok, must have been an issue with the git or smthng, deleted the data and made a clean download and now it works fine :/
I'll clse it
oh wait, someone replicated the bug
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:33
Yea I saw
That's really odd
Might be I'd related
I'll refresh those and see if it helps
Marina
@Marina42
Nov 02 2016 20:33
Yep, if you add 2 assassination detachments the 2nd one gets bugged too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:34
Hmm ok. I'll take a look
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2016 20:34
Are sentinels of terra and clan raccoon going to be rolled into c:sm?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:35
They already are
I mean the little that isn't in angels of death
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2016 20:35
Ok, just haven't been removed as Independant entries yet?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 20:36
Right
All options should be in sm
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 02 2016 20:36
Kk was just curious because I was looking at the forces to get used to everything
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 02 2016 21:27
@Kohato I assumed that was the case, but for all the catalogues i've tried it with it only happens with a few of them - including the two catalogues i'd converted. I thought maybe I had done something horribly wrong to cause it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 02 2016 21:28
i mean, it's possible ...
but I'm not sure what low mem mode actually does