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3rd
Nov 2016
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 08:30

Guys I'm running into another problem
maybe someone has an idea whats wrong or if I better ask Jon...

I've come to the conclusion that creating the War Convo is done best with 3 different Detachments in each Dex which each takes one special Formation - the corresponding War Convo Part.
THat way, I can easily create a Formation using whatever is required and in the entries check for the Force being the unique detachment and then set pts to zero.
However, it won't budge... Any idea? Seems awful familiar like a certain "hidden?" thingy...

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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 08:41
not a case of "instance of" not being met, since "not instance of" doesn't do it either..
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 09:25
The only way seems to be doing it via ancestor, but that solution falls way short...
ah.
BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#119
Sounds familiar.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 09:34
now what do I do.... damn#
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:00
Ok so what's not working
The force and sleections are, but the points to 0 are not?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:00
instance of force does not work when used in shared entries, just as you described
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:01
You're making a formation for the war convo right?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:01
yep
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:01
So why do you need instance of force?
just set all to 0 in that formation
and hide the formation in the selections unless instance of force.
which does work
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:02
jup, but in that case I cannot use links to the contents of the formation
which is.. just icky
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:02
? Yea you can
Link to the entry > set points to 0
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:02
and that is what doesnt work
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:02
I do it for SM
well ... shit
wait, it doesn't work by just setting points to 0
or doesn't work by setting points to 0 with a force conditional
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:03
i need to set the points for the entry at a whole, but the options in that one
well the problem is, to be exact
lemme walk you through
I've created a detachment as you suggested yesterday. Works brilliant in theory.
That detachment will take a single special type of formation which will remove all that hidden play around
that way a AdM War Convocation (skitarii) will and can only contain what goes in there
so far so good
now after I create the necessary formation with links to the entries
I go into the entries themselves
and try to set the cost of weapons, wargear etc to 0 by using a modifier that looks at the force its in
and if its that special detachment it should set it to 0
except it doesnt because it is a shared entry that is linked to
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:05
Ah right
I get it now
poopy
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:06
yep... so i have 2 onager dunecrawlers, 2 skitarii rangers etc. in the file, one with standard costs and one with zero costs
bugs me to no end, but no way around that for now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:06
So, there may be
You still need 2 entries for the top level unit
nvm
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:07
still depends on force ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:07
kind of
I was thinking - 2 top level entries
all wargear/options are shared entries at 0 cost
link them in both top level entries
in the entry made for CAD/etc - set point cost to X, no conditional
then the entry for war-convo is already 0 cost
but that's a shitload of lines to work around it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:08
yeah even more than simply duplicating
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:08
yea :(
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:09
its not pretty and I'll do it over once possible, but it works for now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:09
Let me know once you push it out
i'll tinker and see if I cant break it enough to get it to work too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:10
hehe yeah, will do ;) Gotta do one more meta detachment then skitarii are ready I guess
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:11
In the mean time, time to find out why you can't select assassins as a 2nd force
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:11
yeah that one sounds like a tough nut to crack
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:32
It's weird. It's only their unique detachment
and only if it's loaded second
but then if you save/reload the roster it popluates in slot 1 and loads fine
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 13:57
sounds a lot like a BS issue that hickups with some specific thing in the file
also, skitarii got pushed
so that one should be done for now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 13:58
Yea, I asked jon to take a look - I have no idea what could be causing it on the data site
*side
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 14:48
lemme know what he says
and I think I did it. Cohort Mechanicus and 2/3 of the War Convocation seem to work.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 14:49
Yea?
Nice
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 14:49
had to jump through some loops which i don't like... but...
could you check it out from a user pov and tell me if it's clear what to do?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 14:50
yea, give me 30~ working on something for work
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 14:50
sure thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 15:54
@Marina42 your Assassin issue isn't entirely due to the cat file.
BS has issues loading forces from the same source one after another. It needs to load them at the same time. You can verify this by replicating your issue, saving your roster (with the unselectable 2nd force) and then reloading it. It should load normally.
I let jon know, waiting to see if it's fixable. It's a side effect from moving forces into the cat files
@Thairne seems straightforward enough
Just add each of the war convo forces from each catalog right?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 15:59
yep, that's the gist
same with war convo
there are instructions in each if you select one that tells you that
*cohort, not war convo
woah. Good find with that Officio thing. I'd never figured that one out...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 16:01
I was able to replicate it in tau as well
If you load a dawn blade and a hunter cadre at the same time it works
but add 1, then the other, it has the same issue
and those use the same UIDs for core/aux/etc
(which they have to)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 16:03
now that you mention it
I have the same issue with Skitarii and Cult
all at once? Fineyfine. Add one, load the other? No entries.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 16:04
yep
then if you save/load the roster with that no entries
it will show on load
because they load up at the same time
That's what tipped me it was a code issue
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 16:05
indeed
good to know, I'd bet my finest model we'll get some issues reported with that behaviour
(and that's a commission painted Fire Raptor, so not cheap :D)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 16:09
haha
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 16:34
Seems like user error to me but you never know
I'm also on mobile...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 16:36
yea, he's trying to load a certain release instead of the bsr in the readme
but who reads the readme
/s
Eric Falsken
@efalsken
Nov 03 2016 16:46
looks like Eldar is all busted..... I'll be able to get to it this weekend if nobody else has before then.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 03 2016 17:05
@Kohato actualle the release he linked to is the exact same that is linked in readme.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 03 2016 18:14
I've fixed the release (@Kohato, it seems you've put the new Deathwatch file into that last-for-1.15 commit ;) )
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 18:14
Oh yea?
Well shit
Nice catch!
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 03 2016 18:15
It seems there's a backlash on the new sub-model in BS 2.0 and the people are also blaming Jon for forcing us to use the new format. Internet is a funny place xD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 18:16
Yea.
People hate subs. People can't get the idea that Devs don't do shit for free
Then they want us to stay on a now depreciated product. I just laugh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 03 2016 18:19
Come on, it's what, 5 bucks a year?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 18:19
2 for 1 platform
1 for first year of you had pro already
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 03 2016 18:20
I think I went dual platform because I use iOS and windows
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:23
They complain about 2/yr but still buy $50 toy soldiers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 18:24
Welcome to customer service.
In short. Help the best you can. Fuck the rest.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 03 2016 18:25
Well, I read a valid complaint that the 2.0 actually doesn't have any groundbreaking changes for users. Never really thought from customer perspective as a data author, but it's actually valid. O.o
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:25
Did anyone else see the "there should be an open source community driven project" post. It made me laugh
Front end there is nothing new. It's all back end
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 03 2016 18:26
Well yeah I know, but customers don't see it. Why should they pay now?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:26
So to be fair, if someone complains about no new features, I can't blame them
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 18:26
Yeah, he should have added some bells and whistles to make end users excited about the change
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 03 2016 18:26
Yeah...
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 18:27
But, everyone will be over it in a month
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:27
What do you add tho? What would be a feature you would add to IMPROVE BS?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 18:28

The ability to output in barebones mode:

100 pts - Warboss (Mega Armor)
75 pts - Painboy (Warbike)
....

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 03 2016 18:29
That would be good
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:29
That's not a big feature, and everyone uses the current html layout now because tournaments
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 03 2016 18:29
But it would be great for basic sharing lists
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 18:30
I've been to more than 20 tournament this year. People don't use the HTML format at tournament very often. At least not the experienced players. They use a barebones format to better summarize their army at a glance
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:31
I can get closer by removing rule and says from list and use plain text or bbcode
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:31
*stats
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 18:31
I always have a full HTML version on hand, but only 1 in 20 opponents would rather see that than the simplified version.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 03 2016 18:31
That's pretty much what I always see to
Too*
Helps TOs look over lists and approve easily
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:32
I think CSS customization of the html list would he nice along side a bare bones option
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 18:33
Yep. I ran an ITC Major this year, and had to approve 75 lists. The least fun lists to approve were the HTML format.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 03 2016 18:33
HTML lists are just a pain to look at, period
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:33
I don't submit html for approval tho.
But they are the ones I carry
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 18:34
It's also the least useful version for me to look over in pregame when i'm playing at a tourney.
But all of the griping will calm down in a month or so. My biggest complaint is that the windows app still doesn't refresh every time you delete an entry. Sometimes you have to add something to get the UI to refresh.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:37
Didn't know that. On osx
I haven't had it happen on 2.0 yet, but on 115 the army list would freeze then data mosh if I scrolled. Is have to restart bs
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 18:39
Yeah that.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:39
Oh. Well guess I get to look forward to that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 18:41
Tag
Have you reinstalled since Monday?
Jon fixed the freeze issue. But no new build number
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 03 2016 18:44
Trying to think if I did or not. I'll prob just re download it
And that is weird he wouldn't use a new build number for a bug fix
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 18:47
Yea that's why I missed it at first
Havent had the issue since a re dl tho
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 19:50
@Kohato Nope. I installed on Sunday or Monday, so that would be why I still see it. Thanks for the tip.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 19:53

There's 3 more major bugs i'd like to see Jon fix sooner rather than later - then I'll be content as a clam with 2.0 :)

1) Ios reverts to roster lists from view roster whenever the app loses focus (home screen or sleep)
2) Conditional Modifiers not working except on shared entries
3) This new issue with forces from the same codex file added 2nd not showing any selections.

Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 20:39
hm.. im getting more reports of BS crashing with DA which I cannot reproduce
id have that fixed rather soon too ;)
that and the "no modifiers ON shared entries" thing
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 21:42
When was the last time we pushed data out?

Nevermind. It is current. Just installed BS2 on my phone. It is throwing an error when I create an Ork Roster.

"There are problems with one or more of the data files needed for this roster. You should notify the author of the data files to let them know about the problem.

You can continue, but you may find you are missing options or that some things don't work as expected"

Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 21:47
It works perfect in Windows.
When I hit more info, I get a page that says "A Unit / Model / Upgrade is incorrect", but doesn't give me any information on which one.
Do you guys have any thoughts on how I can debug that?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 21:49
well
the ork files throws an error when opened in the data editor
That is the most likely cause as I understand that error msg
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 21:50
I don't get an error
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 21:50
looks like theres a "force instance of" condition with no force set
lemme sync..
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 21:50
Lemme synch as well
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 21:51
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Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 21:55
Shoot. missed one that referenced the GST.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 21:56
guess that fixed it ;)
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 21:56
I imagine it will. Thanks for the help.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 21:56
you're welcome
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 21:57
Yep, I wiped them out of GST
You said to
YOU SAID TO!!!!!
:p
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 21:57
I know. My bad. I'll bet I had to update 100 conditions. Kind of amazing that I only missed 1
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 21:59
I've switched to replace it via text editors. Less enraging when you have a file like knights with duplicate entries EVERYWHERE
saves a lot of time.. if you don't replace the wrong thing ^^
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Nov 03 2016 22:00
I did a find and replace in Visual Studio, but somehow it missed that one. My fault. i should have synched before asking for help.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 03 2016 22:02
no harm done
and we're all in this together
so if I can help somenoe for a change, I'm happy
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 22:06
Jon's taking a look at the Duplicate Force not showing entries now
He's gonna take a look at the conditionals on shared entries as well
then possibly the ios roster view issue tomorrow :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 03 2016 23:10
Thanks for the add! I'll read through all the Wiki's and watch the videos and hopefully fix some of the minor problems I've found on my own :smile:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 03 2016 23:27
Hi there. Make sure to check the issues and whoever the maintainer is
We've been working on converting files to 2.0 so some of the data authors might have changes to files ready to go but not pushed yet
Help is always welcome, but no use doing repeat work, ya know :)
I maintain Space Marines, if you need help with working on cat files, just post a question here, one of us will be able to help ya