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18th
Nov 2016
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 07:51
Yup, so I just need to sort out the show/hide forgeworld option and check for certain exactly which formations can be included and where...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 18 2016 12:26
Does anyone have the actual formation sheet for the tidewall counterstrike cadre?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 18 2016 12:29
is it not the first result on google images?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 12:31
Thats a nasty formation
Shame the tidewall is so hard to maneuver in a board with terrain
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 12:31
Hahaha! I was just looking at that too :smile:
Fortifications that move... Scary stuff...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 12:33
Eh, that's not the scary part. It's the reflect shots on a 6, and brechers get full power at 10"
The sheidline is pretty wide, so it's not as easy as you'd think to move in a map with a normal terrain distribution
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 12:35
Well that too, but that's standard Tau craziness...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 12:35
So's the tidewall :p it can move in the base book too
This formation just lets it move 3" more but requires it to chase a pathfinder team
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 12:36
Aha! I see... I try not to dirty my mind with Tau...
But yes, that makes it double horrible...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 13:46
Friend of mine is starting tau.
I'm just a little bit scared of those fuckers.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 13:47
Eh. Tau are HORRIBLY overrated
Fear of tau comes from their 6th ed book (which is largely the same as their 7th book, yes)
But even though their 7th hasn't nerfed them at all, other armies outclass them with ease
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 13:49
Oh? Do tell me how Deathwing does it. Or Ravenwing with those damned markerlights. Or footslogging Skitarii / short ranged AdMech. Which are my armies.
I nearly got tabled by GUARD on wednesday. Well yeah ok, a manticore and a wyvern without striders to take them out.. but I can't imagine what tau would do to me ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 13:50
Not all armies of course. Admech has war convo - SM is ... fucking SM. You have Eldar who apparently FW decided to say hey replace your basic guardians with Aspect Warriors in your Meta Dec.
GSC is pretty nasty against them if only for broken as shit cult ambush on Genestealers
Assault Centurions with fuck up a riptide 7 ways from sunday
*will
Probably a storm surge too.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 13:54
Yeah war convo. Which I can't use for quite some time since I just have 10 rangers, 10 vanguard, an onager, 1 dominus, 3 breachers and 3 destroyers. Well and a Knight. Quite a way off :P
so I'm still feeling a lil' bit on the backfoot there
unless I fuck with the tau files and give a riptide gets hot on a 3+.... :fire:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 13:58
What's your buddy starting out with
And in practice, they're not as OP as people claim.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 13:59
Not much yet. He got a box of firewarriors from the Kill Team box. So no idea what he's going for. he keeps rambling about "Emperors children" Tau, painting them purlbeas he does his CSM... as a fluff nerd I'm dieing whenever I hear that.
*purple
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 13:59
Why is that line pink ...
I have a thing for cheese and broken armies apparently. My first two choices were Necrons, then Tau. And then I got an oathsworn deatchment which is going to be upgraded into a full household.
Fireline tau is scary as shit if only because they get 2 shots each at 24" with a cadre.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:00
more knights.. yes. I got two, one mechanicum knight and the Crucible of Wrath. Need the House Drakkus Freeblade and the Desolation of Solitude :D
S5 Ap5 or something, yes?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:00
Yea
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:01
I think the most dangerous thing is the pathfinders and the riptide
take away their markerlights...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:01
If you can outrange them, you're good.
Taking away markerlights helps
Pathfinders are glass.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:01
hahahha outranging tau, good one :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:01
they shatter
I highly doubt he's going to bring a riptide to the table right away
or an OSC
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:02
well he can be a right asshole sometimes.
he loves his heldrakes and sonic dreadnoughts.
S6-8 AP3 Ignore Cover.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:02
You can abuse cover and LOS too. Make your charges from around a building corner.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:03
well I have 2 Knights I can plonk down. And I can go full Ravenwing if he really wants to fuck with me. There are only so many markerlights...
... I need more Darkshrouds.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:03
Grav too
Riptides get wrecked by grav
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:03
true dat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:04
like in a paper shredding way
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:04
veterans with combi grav drop pod
easy enough and quick to paint
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:04
Or if you have IG, go Pask Punisher
20 S5 Rending will do a good bit of damage
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 18 2016 14:04
Dude, scariest thing I've faced as a tau player is assaultly stuff in drop pods, and lots of it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:04
^
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:05
yes yes... but getting that stuff up and painted is challenging....
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:05
Tau are powerful, but they're not the OP nightmare people make them out to be. They get absolutely wrecked by assault and certain weapons (grav/Poison)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:05
I'm about 6k DA and 1k Admech/Skit and 2 Knights and I still need SO MUCH MORE
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:05
Eh, you're not playing a tourney
play gray tide.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:05
Tau are a totally different challenge and I'm not equipped to till with THAT
but I ahve self esteem ;)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 18 2016 14:05
Like, seriously, if your opponent is going gunline, they can't touch av12+ except with dedicated AT - which you sacrifice by going gunline.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:06
Unless they go gunline with a tidewall.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:06
LR Redeemer + Deathwing Knights?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:06
Then your weapons go against you because tidewall.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:06
Kastelan :D
ping pong the shots :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:06
I always wondered
RAW, could a tidewall bounce a tidewall shot back
like if 2 tidewalls got within range of each other
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 18 2016 14:07
If it's not, they're screwed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:07
and some crazy lucky 6s were rolled.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 18 2016 14:07
Oh I'm sure they could
Only if that blue plastic is between you and them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:07
That'd be a funny volley
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:07
while I don't know the rules... if it causes a wound like the kastelan and you take a save and on a 6...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 18 2016 14:07
Wow Gitter is being dumb
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:08
why=
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 18 2016 14:10
The string of 3 responses I sent were all out of order
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:10
haha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 18 2016 14:11
It was supposed to be the one about the barrier, then if it's not between the target and the shooter they're sol, then the I'm sure they could in response to the railgun pingpong
Because the way the barrier works is it's if you pass a cover save, roll a dice. On 6, shot is reflected back at original AP
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:12
some crazy rolls and we got ourselves a Forest Gump situation
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:42
in theory, 1 in 36 shots fired by a kastellan should play the pong game :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:42
1/216 will give a true volley going
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 18 2016 14:43
I kind of wanna see that now.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 14:43
I know right?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Nov 18 2016 17:28
Does anyone know if it's possible to add conditions on modifiers for percentage constraints?
cartag
@cartag
Nov 18 2016 18:33
I can't check currently, I'm at work but I can look when I get home
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 22:47
Gah, I can't wait for next week. I'll be done painting and can actuall knock out my 12~ bugs on SM.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 22:52
happy days :smile: in other news, I've made all the Mymeara Formations visible, I just need to release it... Of course, if anyone wants to take a look and tidy it up - be my guest :smile:
I'd love to figure out how to tidy the seer council up, and I'm not sure there is a need for duplicates of, e.g. "Striking Scorpions" and "Striking Scorpions with Exarch" one for CAD and one for the Aspect Host Formation, but I couldn't manage to get it to behave properly...
cartag
@cartag
Nov 18 2016 22:58
Is Exarch a model upgrade for one model?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 22:58
RAW yes
cartag
@cartag
Nov 18 2016 22:59
Why not just use Striking Scorpions, with the Exarch having Min in Parent restriction of 0, and set to 1 if ancestor is Aspect Host?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 22:59
From the Codex "May upgrade one Dark Reaper to a Dark Reaper Exarch .. .15 pts"
I did try that, but it made strange things happen in the Roster Editor...
although, I used Parent, not Ancestor...
cartag
@cartag
Nov 18 2016 23:00
Parent won't work, that just checks the immediate parent of it. Ancestor checks ALL parents
so the entire genealogy so to speak
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 23:03
righto, cool, I'll have another go then :smile: and that might be the option I need for the Seer council as well...
cartag
@cartag
Nov 18 2016 23:03
From what I saw, you can probably do something similar for the Farseer/Skyrunners also, just have a checkbox to upgrade from one to another, and include a check upgrade to the Warlock Conclave also. That way you can narrow down how many entries you have to have, and set the upg in the Farseers as mandatory if part of the Seer Council and the Warlock has Skyrunner
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 23:05
great minds... I'd love to tidy it up... right, going to have another go, as it is the file is functional - just untidy - is anyone planning a release in the near future??
cartag
@cartag
Nov 18 2016 23:05
I've done some strange setups that work, I'm just glad they do lol
I am doing a big CSM/CD update currently, I could release after it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 23:06
righto, I'll have a short fight with this (it is already 11pm here) but if I can't get it to work I'll revert to the existing untidy option and continue battling another day :smile:
cartag
@cartag
Nov 18 2016 23:07
Rest is for the weak
:P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 23:08
uhuh, but my 2yo alarm clock will be up at 6am asking for cuddles and milk - go back to sleep it's the weekend is not the correct answer ;-)
cartag
@cartag
Nov 18 2016 23:12
Five bugs in one commit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 18 2016 23:13
hero
cartag
@cartag
Nov 18 2016 23:13

winning

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 18 2016 23:28
I should be able to get to the IG nonsense tomorrow
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 18 2016 23:33
Now that's how you fix bugs
When I finally get around to it I'll have a good chunk in 1 commit