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22nd
Nov 2016
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 08:18
Looks like fun to me...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 08:39
you have a strange definition of fun :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 08:43
Oh yeah, sorry, I meant the kind of fun where you stare at a computer screen for hours, fiddle about endlessly until the early hours of the morning, make no progress, discard your changes, and go to bed in a huff...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 08:53

the live of a developer. I'm used to it :P
But in this case it was rather easy, since I didn't change anything at that part of the file. So BS pretty much broke it :P

Just found another case of the same issue...

http://imgur.com/a/k68yj

The default selection is not used for a tech priest since the min 1 modifier is being ignored

Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 09:05
Hmmmm, what does the "Shared" box do, I've found those criteria don't work properly when it is checked, so perhaps it has checked itself for the min constraint...?
penguin20000
@penguin20000
Nov 22 2016 09:21
You forgot the part where you wake up and realise the way you trying to do it was wrong & fix the issue in 2 seconds ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 09:48
I did think that, but my limited skills with the data mean that doesn't happen very often... :smile:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2016 12:25
If you live in the greater mid-Atlantic area I highly recommend attending this event - it's a 1k per team event to benefit the Four Diamonds fund - an organization out of Penn State that raises funds to support the families of children suffering from pediatric cancer
1k per person*
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 22 2016 18:13
yo guys just a stupid question, as you might know one of the hardest things being programmer is naming things. I need your ideas on how to call the app that'd help us manage catalogues, releases, repos etc. Any ideas? :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 18:22
Battlechest
(The)
Which holds Battletomes, Codex Files, Rules for Battlescribe
Also Planetary Onslaught has been converted.
It's down to 66mb (from 500lol)
I'm adding bookmarks now and i'll post it
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 22 2016 18:23
Oh! How nice of you :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 18:23
Thank Alpha
He's the one that bought it
and screencapped every page because Fairplay DRM is the devil
:p
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 22 2016 18:24
Yeah, I've seen, good guy alpha
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 18:24
But yea, Battlechest
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 22 2016 18:24
Wouldn't that be more fitting for the appspot data page?
It's like, a container for these things
a chest
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 18:25
Isn't that what you're talking about?
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 22 2016 18:25
Nooo, I'm talking about my little project which would automate many things for us data guys
Say, a system that'd automatically do releases, and it'd also automatically raise revision numbers for any file that got changed
management tool
but also monitoring
checking no-one commits .catz instead of cat
in future, when I've done test system, it'd automatically check if files pass tests
that kind of stuff
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 18:29
So a warden
"Warden" works actually.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Nov 22 2016 18:29
Yeah, sounds great :O
I knew asking here was the best shot :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 18:30
haha
y/w
Enjoy - all bookmarked and smaller and pdf-ified :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2016 19:15
FAQ for BRB is finalized and on the WH community page
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 19:15
nice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 19:58
I love that they kept this gem: Q: Can a Fortification Scout?
A: No.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 19:59
lol.
im reading through it now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 19:59
The warhammer community as a whole is so anal about rules that this needed to be said, in an official capacity
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 19:59
because its a game about power gaming :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:01
Q: A ruin (e.g. a Shrine of the Aquila) is treated as difficult terrain, but does this mean that models can move through the walls?
A: Yes.
That's actually huge.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:01
yeah, just read that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:02
That's a big change.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:02
aka if not a building, you can move through it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:02
Yep
as difficult terrain that gives cover
Still LOS blocking though
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:02
ruin model with no windows/doors. its cool, ill move through it
yeah, stil LOS blocking
Q: Can I have an Unbound army comprising nothing
but buildings?
A: No.
lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:04
"And can I then scout those buildings to hold 3 objectives permanently on turn 1"
"And can I bring a cup for my opponent's tears?"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:04
no. yes.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:04
Lol
I'm dreading the tau faq
where they say signature systems are relics/artefacts
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:05
i dont see then saying that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:05
I really hope not. They're designed to work together
But we also can now move through walls because difficult terrain
so ... who knows
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:05
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:06
When listing Formations, sometimes it states ‘1 model’ (like 1 Tomb Spyder)
What's a tomb spyder ;)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:07
Q: Does Warhammer 40,000: The Rules (7th edition)
override Codex: Stronghold Assault?
A: Yes. This is an exception to the normal rules, in which
expansions override the rulebook.
thats weird
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:07
Hmm, I wonder in what way they're talking about
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:08
my guess it completely
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:08
I don't recall conflicting rules there
Well Stronghold assault is now depreciated
since Planetary Onslaught rolls it into a new codex
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:08
well it changes the rules for buildings correct?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:08
Oh it might
That makes sense
since Stronghold assault was 6th edition
so 7th ed building rules (and Planetary Onslaught by proxy) would over-write that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:09
yeah
Q: For the First Blood Victory Point – if both units kill each
other off at the same Initiative step, does anyone get First Blood,
or is it carried over to the next unit to be lost?
A: Both players score a point for First Blood in this case.
thas cool
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:09
Haha yea I like that
Who was working on converting War convo?
@Thairne ?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:10
aye
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:10
Q: In the Adeptus Mechanicus War Convocation Formation, do any fortifications benefit from the free upgrades?
A: The only fortifications that benefit from the Adeptus Mechanicus War Convocation’s rules are those taken as part of the Cult Mechanicus Battle Congregation. The Might of the Adeptus Mechanicus rule allows you free weapon and wargear options, which in most cases will not benefit fortifications – they have access to Fortification Upgrades, which are neither weapons nor wargear (this includes gun emplacements). The exceptions to this rule are weapon options on a fortification’s datasheet – for example on the Wall of Martyrs Firestorm Redoubt or Vengeance Weapon Battery. These fortifications could replace their emplaced weapons for free.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:10
anything uppers?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:10
Enjoy.
And i'm sorry.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:11
ow
that could be troublesome
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:11
ayup
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:11
im guessing it was assumed all to be free until now/
?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:11
It wasn't addressed.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:11
nope, I just ignored that one :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:11
In the cat file.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:11
oh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:12
Yea :/ GL on that.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:12
I guess they'll have to deal with it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:12
Might work now that Fortifications are in the GST though
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:12
Only way I can see is to add the points modifiers in the GST
but that's not what we want
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:12
have fun implemeting it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:12
Yea... we might have to for that one
Either that or duplicate the fortifications allowed free upgrades into cult or skitarii
and modify there.
Points mods in GST would be easier/cleaner I think
"If ancestor is war convo - set points to 0" should work ...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:13
force
I set up everything so I can check for force
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:14
Either one would work in theory, but yea.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:14
easier that way... and probably better on performance
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:14
Aye. I abhor duplicate entries more than anything else in this project.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:14
so do I
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:15
ooo, special rules are applied before weapon mods
Q: When a model has Furious Charge as well as a power
fist, does the 2x Strength modification happen before the +1
Strength modification?
A: Yes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:15
I guess on the few things that fall under that FAQ a simply set pts to 0 if force is instance of ad mech war convo... should not add to much bloat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:15
Yea that one was on the first draft flak.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:15
yeah, ididnt pay to much attention to the drafts
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:15
Yea, I don't think it'll add all that much
Pissed off a good number of people that one did
no more S10, Just S9
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:16
yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:16
tbh, that was over the top anyway
did TWC really need S10 too?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:16
Q: If two Formations both include a model that must be your army’s Warlord, are you only able to take one of these Formations?
A: Yes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:16
they got EVERYTHING going for them anyway
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:16
That one's kind of interesting
Hahah true enough
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:16
lol
yeah, im trying to think who would take two formation like that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:16

so... seriously. its not that TWC needed a buff

oh it is... but makes sense

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:17
IK is the only one that comes to mind.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:17
is there one that MUST have the warlord though?
baronial court?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:17
I thought the Baronial did
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:17
the 5 man one?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:17
yea
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:17
well there'S the exalted court too
which has 5 barons and a High King
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:18
Yep
So if you're the kind of guy who is bringing 11 knights to the table
No.
is what GW says
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:18
lol
so what, 5k pt game?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:18
To kit them out properly? Probably about 4500
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:19
avg 400/model roughly
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:19
to give them proper support, I'd say 500 to include a technomancy Libby conclage.
*5000
That'd be a fun 5k game honestly
it'd get absolutely wrecked by any swarm that could get in close (Hi GS Cult)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:20
lol, roll 6s all day on that table and cry
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:20
Tarpit the knights with 20+ model units and just go sit on objectives and laugh
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:20
Q: In the case of a template weapon that fires two or more times
(such as the Blood Angels’ frag cannon), do they still only inflict
D3 hits when firing Overwatch, or D3 hits per number of shots
in the weapon profile?
A: Always D3 regardless of the weapon’s profile.
nooooooooooooo…...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:21
Haha
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:21
gg DW frag cannon
8d3 overwatch hits was really fucking good tho
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:21
By really fucking good you mean OP as shit?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:22
cough yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:22
8d3 auto hits would wreck anything coming at it lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:22
what are you pointing out @alphalas ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:22
no punisher pask in the cadian decurion
is what I guess.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:22
oh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:22
which is a shame, but I expected
Though punisher pask is just love anyway
Heavy 20 rending.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:23
i never would think you could upgrade like that unless is stated
and i guess ill settle for 4d3 str6 rending overwatch now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:24
haha
Rending overwatch is always fun
Oh all my hits are AP2? 'aight
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2016 20:24
Also SM named charas in gladius, methinks
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:25
The SM Gladius states you can switch them out
there is a list
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:25
Yep
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2016 20:25
Oh yeah, duh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:25
that FAQ is more directed at swapping decurion options
for other options
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2016 20:25
Don't mind me - long day in the warehouse
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:25
Like taking White Scar decurion options in a gladius
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2016 20:27
That first mission one nerfs the firestream wing (good)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:27
Contact Lost?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:28
Q: If I have two different Independent Character Psykers in the
same unit, can both of them attempt to cast the same power in
the same Psychic phase?
A: No.
fuck
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:29
eh, it took me a bit to sort that in my head
They're one unit
so they only cast powers once.
I think that really only affects GK too
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:29
which i play...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:29
oh
well then
my condolences.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:30
yeah, that makes the 2 libby and termy unit not really worth it now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:31
Q: If a unit enters the battlefield using Outflank, are they considered to have moved for the purposes of firing heavy weapons?
A: Units moving on from Reserve do so at the start of the Movement phase, before any other units can move. This means that they are always considered to have moved in the turn they arrive.
Eh, nvm - I thought that was a nerf to GSC
but that doesn't address deploying via infiltrate and counting as moved.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:33
Q: Are passengers in Jinking Transports forced to fire
Snap Shots?
A: No.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:33
!!!!!!
Thank god
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:33
that fixes what they said about it earlier
glad they 180ed on that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:34
yep
Now Dark Eldar aren't crap on a stick
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:34
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:34
That was such a huge huge huge nerf to DE
Not that DE are that great anymore to begin with :/
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:35
someone at me LGW picked up DE and then that came out. they were sad and pissed at the same time
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:35
my roomy too
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:35
sold it all off
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:35
picked up 4 Start collecting boxes
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:35
damn
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:35
like 2 weeks before the draft faq
he'll be happy
he kept them hoping they'd 180
Q: Does a rule written like the markerlight ability ‘Seeker’ – ‘resolved at Ballistic Skill 5’ – bypass the modifier system or rules that force you to fire Snap Shots?
A: No.
That's interesting
Slight nerf to tau
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:37
yeah
i like how this had to be address
Q: Can I use Apocalypse Formations in non-Apocalypse games?
A: No.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:38
Again. Can a building scout
lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:38
yeah, lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:38
I love the player base sometimes
blasts are back to affecting all levels of buildings too
which is good
Q: Does the ability to re-roll 1s allow you to re-roll scatter dice?
A: No.
"Does my rending give me eternal warrior?"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:40
lol
causation =/= correlation
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:51
formations are in the cats or gst now?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 20:51
cats
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:51
ok
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:51
Formations?
Always in cats
Fortifications are in GST
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:53
actually ment detachment :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:53
Haha
Codex detachmentsa re in cats.
Global ones in GST
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:54
couldnt remember which was it was now with v2
btw… there were a couple of ppl in my LGW over the weekend from out of town. he said that the BS version change has made most of the guys at his LGS stop using BS… I tried to be kinda suggestive about giving it another try without sounding to forceful. most of the complains he said were with the SM cat since that what most of his LGS plays
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:57
Oh yea?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:57
nods
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:57
Were any of them forthcoming submitting bugs or feedback about what was wrong?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:58
idk about them as a whole. it was just 2 guys from out of town
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:58
Then honestly, fuck them. With a smile on my face.
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 20:58
Or just the typical stomping of feet complaining "I don't like it, it's different" that wargamers are famous for
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:58
poked around the convo a bit. i could tell neither of them did
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 20:59
If they don't voice issues in a manner where we can address them, I feel no remorse for them moving away from the data repo
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 20:59
it wasnt outright whining from them. they said they tried it when i first came out, didnt like it with all the errors. tried to go back to 1.15, which obviously didn’t work. so they just stopped using it for now
thats why i was being suggestive about trying it again
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:00
SM didn't have errors when 2.0 came out ~.o just some incorrect things that needed fixing
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:00
So rather than try it after we've had a day or two to get things all caught up, they tried it day 1 and just quit because it's OBVIOUSLY broken and always will be
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:00
Yea, that's the general feedback I see @flakpanda
Not just from SM
Huge data format change - errors were there - everyone quit instead of letting them get fixed
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:01
the two i talked to didnt seem like they would forever not use it, just that they arnt right now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:01
The 80% of the repo is in a stable state for 2.0
There's a couple cats that have no maintainers that we haven't touched yet I think
I'd say a good 40% is "upgraded" to the 2.0 format entirely with links in the right places.
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:02
With most of the big files already taken care of
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:02
At this point if anyone complains about errors - To anyone in this project mind you - the only feedback any of us should give them is "report bugs or you're part of the problem"
that is non snarky, it's the only way things get fixed. If they dont' report issues, they are 100% part of the issue.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:03
we all know what has/is happening with v2 because we are involved. but when you get ppl that are not tech savy and use things just because they work. they wont because it doesnt work properly, and they expect it too. The mentality of the general populus is that if its working good, if it isn’t move one and not waste time. but that is half the problem to being with
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:04
"I like free shit, give me free shit that works"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:04
getting ppl to sumbit the bugs and not thinking its a waste of thier time
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:04
Or "I paid $2 for this five years ago, I demand free updates for life"
There are some extremely entitled fuckers in our hobby, I swear
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:05
@flakpanda Thanks for relaying though.
Shame that people are still unwilling to help with real feedback, but I understand you prodded what you could for it - thanks for it :)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:05
tbh i think a lot of that "give me shit thinking" comes from basement dwelling neckbeards
and entitled assholes
genuine ppl will stop and help, and do
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:06
Oh yea - PLENTY of SM bugs have come through :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2016 21:06
I'm gunna try to buckle down on the AM stuff tonight - 3yos keep things ahem interesting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:06
Including one i'm still dreading fixing ... my method of artifacts didn't seem to work as well as I'd hoped so I need to redo that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:06
lol
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:07
How did you do artifacts?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:07
Ranged, Melee, Wargear, Banners.
4 shared selection groups
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:07
I made a shared entry group for all of them, then on shared entries, set the artifacts to unhide if certain conditions are met
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:08
How would you separate say an artifact jump pack from a weapon then?
Like, a captain has a power sword and a bolt pistol
he can replace either with any weapon relic
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:08
is there a reason it has always been left/right hand and not just a pick two list?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:09
How would I make it so that one group could give him the relic jump pack - OR the weapon, and if the weapon, force the user to deselect one of the other weapons
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:09
for the weapon, check the Chaos Lord
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:09
Some units have restrictions on what weapon can be replaced with what.
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:09
for the jump pack, do you have an entry group already for bike/jump pack options?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:09
Lef/right is arbitrary - they could be swapped.
I've named it "Bolt Pistol Hand" and "Chainsword" hand for eample.
Yea, I hvae a movement group
that has that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:10
i know that it is arbitrary, just two lists is what i was getting at
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:10
Yea, I guess all ranged/melee in SM can be taken in either slot
no real point to swap that out
*split
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2016 21:10
Oh, did anyone notice GW made it so that stimm injectors can officially save nova reactor fails?
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:10
Add it in there, and add a modifier to set "Max in Parent" to 0 for the jump pack if there is another artefact taken
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:11
Hmm Alright. I'll try that @cartag thanks
Curious
"If 1 seletion of "Default Artefact group"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:11
for relics, just setting max to 0 if any of the other list’s items are selected should work
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:11
would that work for all of them or would it need a conditional for each entry
Actually nvm, It would work
Yea I'll try that, thanks.
I'll poke around with moving to a Select 2 as well
that may work better in the end
Time for SM v3000!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:12
so if you have 4 seperat lists, you will have 3 conditionals for each list
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:12
check KDK, there's "Artefact Weapons of Slaughter" and "Artefacts of Slaughter," with each changing Max to 0 if they have a selection of the other
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:13
Yea, I have that now @flakpanda
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:13
Just set a conditional group with OR and copypasta to the others
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:13
ah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:13
!!!
So
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:13
?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:13
Idea
In GST, I make a new "Entry type"
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:13
I thought you'd spotted Solid Snake or something
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:13
"Unit, Upgrade, Model, Artefact"
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:14
I don't think we can do those, can we?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:14
can we limit a model to 1 artefact thereby saving a bunch of conditionals limiting each entry?
not sure
i'm looking now
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:14
ummm good question
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:14
I am looking now, I dont' think so
good idea though
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:15
balls you can't
Ok, so I convince Jon to put that in this week.
THEN we can do that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:15
lol
well if you consolidate the weapons to a single list, it would get easier since then you only have weapon and non-weapon relic lists
but thats for the future
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:17
Yea, I suppose that'd work nicely
I just keep thinking how nice it'd be if 8th brought in AOS keywords
and how nice it'd be for us to use those
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:18
Exactly!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 21:18
I love it, everyone is like "you can take 4 DW frag cannons on a veteran squad - but there is only one per sprue... It's good, but it 25 points, you can have another special ammo veteran and change for that... Model count is important!!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:20
im disliking managing the initial data entry for keywords...
sepecially when its coming to alliances
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 21:20
(sorry, convo didn't load properly...)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:21
Entry types is on jon's list :)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:21
@FarseerVeraenthis one frag cannon per box sssssuuuuuccccckkkkksssss
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:21
Just like "Cost Types"

Page 177 – Stub Guns and Shotguns, Heavy Stubber

Replace the profile with the following:

Heavy stubber – Range: 36″ / S:4 / AP: 6 / Type: Heavy 3’

Interesting ... why that change?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:22
what was it before?
because thats the only one ive seen printed
recently
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 21:22
That's what it is in the GST
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 21:26
Huh, I wonder when it used to be different
I know why the did the fortification scout move question
Fucking tidewall.
"It can move, why can't it scout"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:28
facepalm
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 21:51
Hahaha! Yes, good point... Not that a moving fortification is a bit of a stretch in the first place or anything...
And @flakpanda you also get one infernus heavy bolter too, so two veteran boxes fulfils all your DW heavy weapon spam needs... I'm not a fan of spamming anything... Even the word makes me feel uncomfortable...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 21:54
i spam frag cannons against our LGWs that guy
but lately i have been trying to get back to comp play and go to some itc event next year. so ive been playing like that as well, but with proper declaration
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 22:10
Our FLGS' those guys effectively drove me away from 40k. I've not played in 6 months at this point
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 22:11
O.o
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 22:12
It's just not fun anymore. And I don't like dealing with them. One I will never play any game against ever again.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 22:12
are there not others there to play?
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 22:13
Last game I played against that one was in a tourney, he showed up 30 minutes late for that round, and was breaking so many rules and getting angry when I called him out on them that I just picked up my army and left
I don't have time for that shit
There are, but IDGAF any more. I'm just playing AoS
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 22:14
wtf… letting him play after being 30 mins late is unacceptable to begin with
10 mins max
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 22:14
I didn't have to, and I was told it was up to me
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 22:14
oh
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 22:14
Yikes, that's rubbish... Surely 30 mins late = instant forfeit..
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 22:14
I agreed to play him just so I'd have something to do and not sit on my ass for the next hour and a half
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 22:14
Oops, beaten to it...
With hindsight, would you have preferred to take a time out than play...?
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 22:16
Yes and no... I'd like to mentally want to play the game I've sunk so much money into, but telling that cocky fucker off was fun
I'm a hobby player first and foremost. He doesn't even assemble his own models.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 22:18
That's not cool..
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 22:18
but it happens
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 22:19
I'm down with at least trying to play to the fluff... Fluff is fun, and interesting, spamming the most powerful part of your army to win is... Not...
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 22:19
His worst offense was painting a BLOODTHIRSTER pink and blue, because he wanted it Tzeentchy
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Nov 22 2016 22:19
:cry:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 22:19
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ not everyone plays for fun
cartag
@cartag
Nov 22 2016 22:20
He and another have no interest in their opponent having fun also, just the win. That's all they care about. He's quit other games because he can't just insta-win and doesn't understand why people won't play him. It's a game first and foremost, and having at least a modicum of respect for your opponent is paramount.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Nov 22 2016 22:21
i agree, but everyone doesnt
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Nov 22 2016 22:36
That always sucks.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Nov 22 2016 22:47

@kohato the way I do that relic thing (as currently broken by the last update) is that I enforce 2 selection under the armor type. Min/Max 2. Then there are 3 entry groups - left hand, right hand and relics. Each "hand" has a min/max of 1. So you have to equip anything in each hand and cannot go beyond. Now I add a selection "none" to each hand, which increases the max in power armor by 1. That allows you to select a relic, since max is now 3! The Relic group only has a max of 1, so that is settled.
The construct gets a bit more complicated if you have a relic that does NOT swap out for a weapon - then selecting that relic also needs to increase the max of the parent group by one just as "none" does.

It works rather good and will again once jon fixes the lastly introduced bug.

long talk - look at my DA HQs and see what I do there :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Nov 22 2016 23:40
ok, someone walk me through this please - how do i make a shared selection entry change it's selection entry category? vulture in (non-d99) elysians is HS - should be FA
i know @cartag said something about it last night, but i cant remember.