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Dec 2016
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 03:32
Okay, this is getting to be a PITA. Have to hide all non-Tzeentch units and upg options for 1kS armies
and I'm putting in functionality to hide/unhide for other gods in prep for TL book
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 04:51
I can only imagine what that cat looks like with all the supplements
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 04:57
you don't want to know
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flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 04:58
You would be correct
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 04:58
That's just for the marks, so I can easily hide them based on detachment
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Then I get fun cases like taking the Black Crusade detachment as Thousand Sons, and yes, it's possible
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 05:00
What you have to do kinda sounds like what I had to do for some battleline units in AoS, but worse
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 05:02
Most likely. With the 1kS legion? for lack of a better term, you can only bring Tzeentchian things
So then I had to hide all Khorne/Nurgle/Slaanesh things
and hide the options for marks or upgrades on all units, FW and GW.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 05:03
Lol. Damn. That sounds like work.
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 05:04
and there's a Nurgle detachment from an IA book that only allows Nurgley stuff
and CS supplement doesn't let you bring anything with VotLW except for a handful of units, so I have to limit formation picks for Black Crusade off that too
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 05:38
we've also got units that go from Elites to Troops dependent on if one of three or four different scenarios exist
some relics that vary depending on both god and supplement
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 05:40
i wonder if csm or sm are more complicated now
cat wise
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 05:41
Currently, I'd say SM, just for how many FBDs (more accurate than Decurion detachments) they have
Formation Based Detachments
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 01 2016 06:38
@cartag maybe I'm late to the party, but just some food for thought: maybe instead of hiding, just limit shared entry of all Marks to 0 depending on parent force?
or aren't Marks shared...?
And you know guys, in general, it's not required to hide everything unusable. It kills the discovery ability for users.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 07:20
Hmmm... Damned if you do and damned if you don't I think... Either you get bug reports because things are hidden or because they're not... Although, with criteria I suppose you can show everything and throw a validation error if an illegal choice is made... Either way, I'm anticipating lots of reports from people who don't understand how the formations and detachments work properly...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 08:31
@flakpanda ### URGENT ### you've made power weapons free for Veterans...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 08:31
…hmmm. thought i caught that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 08:32
I thought I'd build a list on my phone and they are all down as "no cost"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 08:32
yeah. i didnt. i did for Vets tho
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 01 2016 08:32
people are stupid. You can pretty much guarantee those reports... I've seen complaints that an IK cannot be taken as a Lord of War in DA and Skitarii...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 08:33
Plus, would it be possible to have a boltgun and chainsword as standard selections... Please :-)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 08:33
i eleminates all default selections due to the doubling bug. also as pick 2 lists, i cant
it wouldnt slected it when i tested it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 08:35
Hmmmm... I just updated, my Deathwatch cat is v2008...
(tries to figure out how to post a screenshot)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 08:36
drag and drop to chat client
yeah, just double checked default selections for chainsword and boltgun. no go
i guess im doing another release :p
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 08:41

Tale of Gamers - Round 1 (Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition v2012) (330pts)

Unbound Army (Faction) (Deathwatch: Codex (2016) v2008) (330pts)

Troops (330pts)

    * #### Squad Crull (205pts) ####

    *And They Shall Know No Fear, Mission Tactics*

    **Veteran:** Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|Ld:9|Save:3+

    **Watch Sergeant Crull:** Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:2|I:4|A:2|Ld:9|Save:3+

    **Boltgun:** Range:24"|Strength:4|AP:5|Type:Rapid Fire|Warhammer 40,00: The Rules p176

    **Chainsword:** Range:-|Strength:User|AP:-|Type:Melee|Warhammer 40,00: The Rules p178

    **Combi-melta:** Range:24" (Bolter)/ 12" (Melta)|Strength:4 (Bolter)/ 8 (Melta)|AP:5 (Bolter) / 1 (Melta)|Type:Rapid Fire (Bolter) / Assault 1, Melta, One Use Only (Melta)|Warhammer 40,00: The Rules p176

    **Frag Grenades:** Range:8"|Strength:3|AP:-|Type:Assault 1, Blast, Don't suffer Initiative penalty for charging through difficult terrain|Warhammer 40,00: The Rules p180

    **Infernus Heavy Bolter:** Range:36" / Template|Strength:5 / 5|AP:4 / 4|Type:Assault 3 / Assault 1

    **Krak Grenades:** Range:8" (thrown) / - (Melee)|Strength:6|AP:4|Type:Assault 1 (Thrown) / Only on Vehicles, gun emplacements or Monstrous Creatures (Melee)|Warhammer 40,00: The Rules p181

    **Power Sword:** Range:-|Strength:User|AP:3|Type:Melee|Warhammer 40,00: The Rules p179

    **Special Issue Ammo - Dragonfire Bolt (Boltgun):** Range:24|Strength:4|AP:5|Type:Rapid Fire, Ignores Cover

    **Special Issue Ammo - Dragonfire Bolt (Stalker):** Range:30"|Strength:X|AP:5|Type:Heavy 2, Sniper, Ignores Cover

    **Special Issue Ammo - Hellfire Round (Boltgun):** Range:24"|Strength:1|AP:5|Type:Rapid Fire, Poisoned (2+)

    **Special Issue Ammo - Hellfire Round (Stalker):** Range:30"|Strength:X|AP:5|Type:eavy 2, Sniper, Poisoned (2+)

    **Special Issue Ammo - Kraken Bolt (Boltgun):** Range:30"|Strength:4|AP:4|Type:Rapid Fire

    **Special Issue Ammo - Kraken Bolt (Stalker):** Range:36"|Strength:X|AP:4|Type:Heavy 2, Sniper

    **Special Issue Ammo - Vengeance Round (Boltgun):** Range:18"|Strength:4|AP:3|Type:Rapid Fire, Gets Hot

    **Special Issue Ammo - Vengeance Round (Stalker):** Range:24"|Strength:X|AP:3|Type:Heavy 2, Sniper, Gets Hot

    **Stalker Pattern Bolgun:** Range:30"|Strength:X|AP:5|Type:Heavy 2, Sniper

    **Xenophase Blade:** Range:-|Strength:User|AP:3|Type:Melee, Molecular Realignment Field
    * #### Veterans (125pts) ####

    Black Shield (37pts), Veteran (22pts), Veteran (22pts), Watch Sergeant (22pts)

    *And They Shall Know No Fear, Atonement Through Honour, Combat Squads, Mission Tactics*
        * #### Veteran (22pts) ####

        Boltgun, Power Axe

        *And They Shall Know No Fear, Mission Tactics*

    **Black Shield:** Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:5|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|Ld:9|Save:3+

    **Veteran:** Unit Type:Infantry|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|Ld:9|Save:3+

    **Watch Sergeant:** Unit Type:Infantry (Character)|WS:4|BS:4|S:4|T:4|W:1|I:4|A:2|Ld:9|Save:3+

    **Boltgun:** Range:24"|Strength:4|AP:5|Type:Rapid Fire|Warhammer 40,00: The Rules p176

    **Frag Grenades:** Range:8"|Strength:3|AP:-|Type:Assault 1, Blast, Don't suffer Initiative penalty for charging through difficult terrain|Warhammer 40,00: The Rules p180

    **Krak Grenades:** Range:8" (thrown) / - (Melee)|Strength:6|AP:4|Type:Assault 1 (Thrown) / Only on Vehicles, gun emplacements or Monstrous Creatures (Melee)|Warhammer 40,00: The Rules p181

    **Power Axe:** Range:-|Strength:+1|AP:2|Type:Melee, Unwieldy|Warhammer 40,000: The Rules

    **Special Issue Ammo - Dragonfire Bolt (Boltgun):** Range:24|Strength:4|AP:5|Type:Rapid Fire, Ignores Cover

    **Special Issue Ammo - Hellfire Round (Boltgun):** Range:24"|Strength:1|AP:5|Type:Rapid Fire, Poisoned (2+)

    **Special Issue Ammo - K
Oh God, that didn't go to plan...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 08:41
O.o
what are you trying to do?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 08:43
Well, I couldn't get my screen grab into gitter (on my phone) so I thought I'd share my roster... But I didn't realise it would include all the special rules as well...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 08:43
oh.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 08:43
Anyway, power weapons are free on Android atm :-)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 08:43
didnt realize you were on mobile
in about 100 mins they wont be
also i have no idea how to post a picture on mobile
content://media/external/file/43240
lol, nope
i guess it doesnt let you
i tried copying a picture from my gallery to clip board and pasting it
well @FarseerVeraenthis sync again in like a hour and half and it should be fixed.
im off to bed. night
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 08:53
Cool 😎 sleep to tight!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 01 2016 09:06
I'm going to murder that dude soon :P
slowly choke the life out of him and ask him if that is exactly like in the codex and if he wants to choose ME as his warlord
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 09:14
Hahaha! Not loving all the members of your fan club huh?!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 01 2016 09:15
Until now I thought I'd be a bit OCD in building the data
but that guy takes the cake
skitarii can choose a warlord. Cult mech can choose a warlord. War Convo could possibly have 2 Warlords... OMG!!!!
srsly....?
that entire choose warlord in BS business is barely worthy of support in itself.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 09:16
Hmmmm... I bet he has no real understanding of how the data works...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 01 2016 09:17
that's not the issue, but... that pickyness is getting annoying
technically he's right, but we're not producing space programm level data here
a LITTLE bit of brain is expected from the user
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 09:20
Just hide all the things :-P then he'll be so worked up he'll fry his keyboard writing bug reports and perhaps leave you alone - since his keyboard is fried...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 01 2016 09:37
but... but that would fuck MY brain over too :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 09:51
Hehehe! Thinking is overrated...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 01 2016 10:16
Can we get the Sokar into Deathwatch and Space Wolves? Those are the last 2 missing it. We could get rid of the issue then ^^
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 10:18
Sure, I'll do SW
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 10:24
Did @flakpanda not put it in last night with his big upgrade...??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 01 2016 10:24
dunno, checkbox ain't set
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 11:16
I've just done an update and I can't see it...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 11:18
Can't see it where?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 11:20
I can't see the Sokar flyer in the Deathwatch cat :-)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 11:22
Yeah, its not in there.
nothing called sokar in the raws
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 11:23
It's a forgeworld flyer
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 11:23
yeah, i just put it into SW ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 11:24
Hahaha, yeah, I just realised that after sending the message...!
Also, there are further issues with the Deathwatch cat... Heavy thunder hammers are not counting properly for the black shield and watch sergeant...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 11:29
oh I see, HTH is supposed to replace both their weapons, like it does for the regular vets?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 11:37
Yup, and there is the same discussion about whether the black shield can actually take a HTH as upgrades for apothecary and so on in the SM cat...
I.e. Only a vet cottage a HTH, once you upgrade to a black shield can he take a hammer since he is no longer a vet, he's a black shield... (different profile..)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 11:51
Thats the view I take, otherwise it would say "Any model may..." rather than "Any Veteran may..."
Lets see if we can get a straight answer out of GW when the errata comes out.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 11:55
Well yes, I see it that way too... Even though the idea of a lunatic with a massive hammer going crazy in combat is quite cool, it does make Veterans squads Black Shield delivery vehicles..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 11:57
22pts/wound. Seems good.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 12:04
Yup, and you can have 10 in a unit and if you build a Black Spear strike force they will have deep strike... Having said that, they only have a 3+ save... Unless you give them storm shields... But then they get a little spendy...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 13:15
According to GW - the model is elegable for upgrades prior to being turned into something else: IE Vet taking upgrades before becoming an apothacary.
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Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 13:19
is that in an errata? because they did a 180 on the apothecary thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 13:19
oh? In which faq?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 13:19
the SM one
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 13:19
when? They haven't had a 2nd FAQ draft yet
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 13:19
it was in the facebook comments
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 13:20
Oh interesting
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 13:20
sm apothecary faq.png
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 13:21
Oh wow alright
Then nvm - that'd definately swing it the no route for all armies
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 01 2016 13:21
yeah, its a bit of a mess since they didnt announce it proper
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 13:22
yea just a bit -.-
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Dec 01 2016 18:05
Hey guys, I've opened BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#128, please check out and at least add thumbs up if you also feel it'd be useful :D
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:40
@FarseerVeraenthis I didn't add any FW model in yesterday
And to be honest I forget about them most the time :P
And @Kohato, @GenWilhelm, while they did release that draft FAQ and then state you cannot, it is just that. A draft, not "official" yet. There is currently nothing preventing you from upgrading a black shield or apothecary. ITC allows this as stated in there FAQ to clarify it for there circuit. I'm in the boat to allow it until otherwise stated by GW
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:45
There is no clarification either way, and we do not go by itc. It's up to the maintainer at this point, though I believe I have it set to allow in sm
Itc pissed me off pretty bad this week. They want to outright ban splitting horrors without testing because "they know how it will end up"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:46
I wasn't saying we going by ITC, just that they allow it currently.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:46
I have no respect for a rule set who makes changes without testing
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:47
I did it in sigmar in open play... It's pretty dumb
30 models turns into 120
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:48
Why would you use 40k rules in sigmar?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:48
There are rules in sigmar for them first
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:48
Sigmar doesn't have large ignores cover blasts to wipe half of them out
Ahh
You'd need to pay in sigmar tho
For matched play at least
There's zero balance on open play
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:49
No, then don't have blasts. So I am interested to see it play out in 40k
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:49
Agreed. It may warrant a ban. But to outright ban before the book is out? No.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:49
We were using whatever that points system was before the GHB
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 19:50
There wasn't a points system from GW before GHB
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:50
There wasn't one
No system treated summoning like ghb does epither
Horrors splitting will never be an issue in sigmar matched play
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 19:51
In matched play it wouldn't matter either, because you have to use your points to set up a new unit, meaning under pitched battle you can't split like that... unless you set points aside
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:51
Setting up new models costs points
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 19:52
new units* You can restore models to a unit and have it not cost points
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:52
I know. I know. Just saying that unchecked, them splitting can be bad
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:52
With no counter? Yea.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:53
But who is playing ignores cover large blasts right now in the meta?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:53
Adding models past starting count wouldn't be replenish would it @cartag ?
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 19:53
they could go up to starting number I believe
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:53
Tau
Any flamers or templates
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 19:54
whatever that is... say if you bring 20 Bloodletters, you could replenish up to 20
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:54
Yea that's what I figured
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 19:54
without costing points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:54
That's why death army is so nice
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:54
Replenish, but never above starting or new unit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:54
Replenishment :)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:55
But tau and template weapons is a small % of the meta.
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 19:55
I do have to take a moment and say how much I love the name of one of the new daemon formations: Brimstone Conflagration
So the meta will change accordingly. That's what it does.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:55
Yeah, it always does
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:56
Great formation name
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:56
Running grav and flamer will be odd
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 19:56
no idea what it does, but nice name
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:57
I'm trying some Phoenix temple today in sigmar
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 19:57
So how bout them leaks? I haven't really looked for them yet. To busy with work
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 19:57
3 fire Phoenix 1 cold Phoenix and 30 guard elves in 3 units
And 2 anointed
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 19:57
the leaks are pretty good for 1kS army
all formations have a rule where if you bring max number of units, you get to reroll all saves of 1
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 20:00
Noice
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 20:01
Magnus the Red has the Gaze of Magnus psychic power. 5 WC, Beam, 18", SD AP1, Assault Soul Blaze
and he has LoS to everything on the board when determining psychic targets
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 20:19
Lol soul blaze
Just in case d doesn't kill it
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 20:20
Exactly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 20:21
Right, so you can't kill him and you can't hide from him...
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 20:21
that's still a WC 5 power though
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Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 20:29
Not pretty...
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 20:30
I'm just glad Chaos is getting some real love
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 20:35
I just hope that when it comes out in real life it isn't as ridiculous as it sounds...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 01 2016 20:37
I mean. ... he does really have horn Tits
Which is rather ridiculous
:p
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 20:37
^
Going to be instresting when TL drops next week and see SM like CSM
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 20:39
I'm just looking forward for the butthurt tears from our Taudar players
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 20:39
What about the HTH isnt working?
or were you just talking about not making it available to black shields and watch sgts
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 20:50
When I select it, I still have to select two more weapons, so you can have the hilarious combination of a HTH, a Xenophase blade and a storm shield on a sergeant...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 20:50
…did you update the cats recently? because it doesnt do that
for me
you may get to select it, but it will throw an error
i redact that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 20:52
Hehehe, it's only a problem for black shields and sergeants...
Veterans work OK
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 20:52
oh i see what i did. when i copy pasted it kept the verterans hth id in there
ill do the release later
but it is fixed in the cat
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 01 2016 20:59
OK cool
cartag
@cartag
Dec 01 2016 21:07
From the Omniscient Oracles formation: Kairos Fateweaver and the Lords of Change from the Omniscient Oracles can re-roll any rolls of 1 when making Psychic tests, To Hit, or To Wound rolls. In addition, whilst all models from this Formation are on the battlefield, you can choose to re-roll any failed attempt to Seize the Initiative and any Reserve Rolls.
Is it just me, or does "Kairos Fateweaver and the Lords of Change" sound like some high school garage band by 40k nerds?
zopha
@zopha
Dec 01 2016 21:28
Yeah, like Zardu Layak and The Blade-slaves.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 01 2016 22:30
Did someone invoke my name?
Oh it was flak doing a re:all ok
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 01 2016 22:39
You late to that party
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 01 2016 22:43
Gitter doesn't always push the notification badge for me for some reason