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Dec 2016
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 02:07
Yes, on the day of release of Wrath of Magnus (and before most people have even got their copy that they ordered for £45) they have replaced it with a £20 but contains the exact same rules
but = book
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 03 2016 15:02
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2016 15:22
@skonk that is a fair point, I know at least one person who is rather miffed... Otherwise, nice to see a faq other day of release, I'm not sure if that shows excellent service from GW or unclear rules, or thick readers...
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 03 2016 15:27
You've got to admit reading the rules they aren't very well written. It takes talent to write a rule as unclear, and hard to implement as split.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2016 15:29
I haven't read it, the whole idea sounds horrible, I remember how bad it used to be with horrors when they split once, now they split twice I can't imagine it being any more
Fun to play...
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 03 2016 15:31
Did they used to in the old days add new units and new psychic powers every time they split?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 03 2016 15:33
No, it was a long time ago and I don't remember actually playing them, but pink horrors used to split into blue horrors. I think the pinks only had a shooting attack and no psychic powers, and the same with the blues I don't remember about units though...
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 16:52
My favorate unclear rule recently is in Traitor's Hate. "If you have used your Daemon Forge in a previous phase, you may chose to use it a second and/or subsequent phase" - The F does that mean? Twice? Three Times? Every phase ad infinitum?
and/or subsequent time sorry (not phase)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:37
@cartag I believe you need to add in traitor legions
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:38
oh go to hell
Like I don't know how to fucking add something, holy shit... sorry, just pisses me off
and the go to hell was joking
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:38
Lmao. :P
Couldn't pass it up after I saw the issue email
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:39
How incompetent do these asshats think I am?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:39
Very
But that's because they are as well
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:41
It would be one thing if the book was already released, and the info was missing after a month
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:42
Yeah.
I still get issues about it compendium unit in AoS even tho it's in the resat
Refers
Readme. Fucking swipe type
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:43
Most random users aren't going to see the readme, and they DGAF besides what is in the file
That part's partially on you, especially since the Compendium was a choice at one point before it was removed
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:44
I know. I made a copy paste
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:44
Removing functionality before making sure other info was there to take its place isn't on them
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:45
I know it somewhat on me to get it in.
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:46
almost finished building Magnus... question is though; sword or spear?
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:47
sword, his weapon is simply called "The Blade of Magnus"
sword seems to fit that better than a spear
otherwise it would be "The Pointy Stick of Magnus"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:47
Magnets?
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:47
aye i know he is basically casting an illusion all the time so he appears how ever he likes
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:47
how do those work?
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:48
the spear looks very nice but i just see it as being a huge pain in the bum to store and transport
so im tempted to stick the sword on if for no other reason than it makes him smaller in volume of space needed to store him
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:48
I mean, his wings look like it make him difficult to store already
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:49
they just slot in and out tho and i dont think they will even need magnets
they hold quite tight just with the friction
its just that the spear looks so nice :(
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:49
Over time tho they might get loosr
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:50
true
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:50
And I like the spear
It one worth taking over the other?
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:51
There's no weapon upgrades at all on him, it is strictly cosmetic
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:51
Oh
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:51
yeh
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:51
I'll prob do spear when I get him. Looks much better in my opinion
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:52
in the fluff, he's such a strong sorcerer that he constantly projects an image of how he wants to appear and thats how people see him; the same for anything he's carrying.
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:52
The new Force Entries list for CSM
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:52
only himself and the emperor know what he really looks like; he's likely just a normal sized chap and not very daemonic looking in reality :)
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:52
blob
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:53
At least they are kinda giving can the sm treatment
CSM
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:53
agreed, and I'm all for that... I am just ready to see pages of the rules instead of just leaks
even though the guy who is leaking is the same one I got the Wrath of Magnus stuff from
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:54
looks like an aweful lot of work to get all this new stuff into BS
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:54
So rumor is all the wrath of magnus rules are going to be in traitor legions?
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:54
yeh
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:54
They are for 1kS
not for daemons or the missions
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:54
looks like it contains all the stuff from black legion, traitor's hate and wrath books
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:54
Hmmm
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:55
which hurts a littler considering i paid for the limited editions of traitors and wrath
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:55
Oh wow. That's kinda dumb. Invalidating 3 books with this one
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:55
doesn't have the fluff from them though, or any missions they might have contained. Not much, but yeah.
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:55
yeh true
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:55
I mean, if you want the new demon rules you need WoM
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:55
and tbh i will probably read it
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:55
and Angels of Death did the same thing with SM books
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:56
do you have all the info you need from the wrath book cartag?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:56
I'm still salty about selling my Tzeentch demons a week before all this stuff was announced
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:57
would like to see pics of Rubric Marines and Sorc datasheets if they were updated
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:57
They have to be.
New equipment and shit
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 17:57
in terms of rules im really not salty and never have been; i've loved using the traitors hate formations and detachment and that; but i have to admit to being somewhat butthurt about spending so much on these books for a £20 book to replace em so soon
i could snap a photo of those pages if u like
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 17:58
please, that would be very helpful
and if there are any limits to artefacts on certain HQ types
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 17:58
But fluff and art is what you paid for, and got rules as a bonus
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:04
whats the best way to drop images in here?
oh actually i can paste a dropbox link
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:04
Ctrl+V from clipboard
or that works too lol
i dont see anything about relic limits but i put the page where it talks about them a little
and i added ahrimans page cos his staff's special rule has been re-worded
directly states u can fire the same witchfire 3 times now instead of just saying cast 3 witchfire spells
u prolly know this already tho i guess
the one where i clipped the name off the top is the new sorcerer
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:21
Gracias, added in now
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:22
np :) if u need anything else from it let me know
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:22
I think new Daemon icons and a clearer shot of Brimstone Horror statline, and that will be it :)
You rock
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:23
ill grab them for ya now then
ok if u follow that same dropbox link ive added them there
i've stuck the reference table with all the unit and weapon profiles on there too
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:28
Muchos Gracias. I don't care what anybody else has said about you cough @flakpanda cough, you're pretty cool :)
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:28
lol
magnus done finally
now... 3 boxes of tzaangors, 2 boxes of exaulted sorcs, 1 box of terminators and 1 box of rubrics left to go
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 18:33
How's talking shit?
Who's*
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:34
@skonk was
said your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 18:34
That little shit. I'll throttle @skonk
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:35
runs and hides
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 18:38
Where did you go motherfucker?!
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:40
blob
RAH!!
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:40
This requires the preface that I'm a Khorne player through and through, but that's beautiful man
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:41
I tend to run nurgle but these are about the nicest looking models i've ever seen GW produce
if they revamp the older models (berzerkers etc) to this standard it will be awesome
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:43
definitely
I've been using Blood Warriors as possessed for my KDK army... back when I still played
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:44
ah
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:44
I've not played anything but Khorne for any GW game, up until Blood Bowl came out
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 03 2016 18:44
Yeah. Hopefully they update the Lord of change/kairos soon
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:44
I'm utterly flabbergasted I had the paints to do this
cartag @cartag kicks computer
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:45
upload pic dammit
blob
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:46
ooh very nice :)
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:47
gracias. Game came out Friday, my team was painted to tabletop standard by 10AM Saturday
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:47
ive not played it yet but a m8 of mine bought 2 of the main game box (for the orks) and looks like he'l be giving me all the bits he didnt need from 1 set (so a human team and the contents required to play)
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:47
with finer details by 11 AM Sunday
oh nice! there's some sites that have really good starting rosters to use
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:48
tbh most of my stuff isnt painted; I try but i'm not very good combined with being a perfectionist so im constantly back n forth fixing my mistakes and then i get bored and never get much done
and considering i have about 20k points of tau, 5k or so of necrons and probably 30k of chaos... thats a lot of grey plastic
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:49
My advice: remove all models from your hobby desk. Put one unit on it. Tzaangors, Magnus, cultists, doesn't matter. Paint that one unit
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:49
i need to sell the non-chaos stuff; not used it at all since i started playing chaos
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:49
For every unit of infantry you do, do one big fun thing
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:49
yeh good idea
i have been feeling motivated to try to paint this new stuff tho
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 18:49
I do a unit of Bloodreavers, then a Korgorath for instance
cultists, then maulerfiend, then zerkers, then heldrake, etc
If you get an airbrush for priming it helps even more
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:50
yeh i have one
great for the bigger stuff
lol
the only thing i've actually been good with, painting-wise i mean
is i had a stint of wanting to deck my gaming table out with GW buildings and stuff
and i actually painted it all
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 18:55
over did it a bit actually and did more than i can use at any given time but it means we can change the table up a lot now and still always have painted terrain on
i think cos terrain looks fine even if it's a a bit slapdash i enjoyed it more
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 03 2016 19:08
That's also a little naïve if you didn't think GW wasn't going to rerelease the limited edition 2 mo later bundled in with something else - the way I look at it if you're buying the limited it's because you want all the extra stuff that comes with - otherwise it tends to be a waste. Hell, that's why I only buy the Normal edition physical copy if it's an army I'm going to tourney - otherwise digital only for me
Wow Gitter way to update AFTER I posted a wall of text
Don't mind me
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 19:17
Np, it was me who said it
id never think stuff wouldnt get replaced; and its not the limited edition thats the issues
but for people who just wanted the rules; GW not making it clear that the Legions book would contain verbatim the same rules as in wrath, so people go out and order a £45 book which before they even have in their hands gets replaced a £20 book is released that has the same rules just strikes me as being a pretty shady tactic
yes, they said the book would have t sons rules but they didnt say they would just be a staight up un-modified copy of the wrath rules
i suspect a lot of people bought wrath who would have just waited for legions had they known
and those same people will still have to buy legions for the legion rules too
sneaky tactic to sell people the same stuff twice imo
personally i would like the fluff to read too so either way i'd want fenris 2, but it still narks me off
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 03 2016 19:24
Fair point.
That's like Fenris 1 is still the only source for the other new deamon stuff, right?
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 19:25
yeh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 03 2016 19:26
But all the wolf stuff was ported straight into wulfen edition dex
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 19:26
and magnus can uses Change powers; which got updated in fenris 1 and dont exist anywhere else
yeh which will have sucked for people at that time too
and people who bought the kouyon for it to then be rolled into the tau dex
difference is
that didnt happen BEFORE they even received the first book
those books had a bit of life before getting rolled into another book
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 03 2016 19:27
Same with BA - however, only thing that wasn't in the Red thirst edition of the d@x was the missions
Dex*
That was simultaneously released, though
Thankfully GW didn't put chaos rules into angels blade - they kept those 2 separate
James
@skonk
Dec 03 2016 19:30
yeh
i enjoyed reading the stories in those 2
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 03 2016 19:30
It was good fluff
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 19:30
Found a new bug: BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas#129
cartag
@cartag
Dec 03 2016 23:33
Because Khorne fucking forbid it go unupdated for 18 hours