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5th
Dec 2016
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 00:12
Fuck it, he can wait.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 12:45
@SuperPranx I believe #2956 is specific to SW because the detachment special rules were all hidden for some reason...
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
Dec 05 2016 12:51
The rules being hidden was tried as sort of a workaround if I remember correctly. But, yes, I only tried with the SW data file. I'll go ahead and re-name the issue for SW only.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 13:05
On a side note, does anyone have BattleScribe on iOS?
James
@skonk
Dec 05 2016 13:17
I'm yet to get BS on iOS to actually work. Ny BS 1 (that I paid for) seems to have been broken by all the changes and BS2 closes all the time and won't even display my lists so I can actually use it.
My^
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 13:20
Ouch, that sucks.
James
@skonk
Dec 05 2016 13:21
Luckily I have a laptop I can take with me and use the desktop version :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 13:22
Fair enough, I much prefer the desktop version anyway. I only use the mobile app for testing :P
James
@skonk
Dec 05 2016 13:33
:)
I had a game with my new thousand sons lastnight; was quite fun
Magnus is interesting to play with
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 13:34
ML5, pass on a 2+ (rerolling 1s), never perils
Seems Good.
James
@skonk
Dec 05 2016 13:36
yeh
it's not easy building a viable list though due to the unit costs
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
Dec 05 2016 13:37
@GenWilhelm I have a paid-for BS1 on iOS and I'm not letting it update the files, so it's still working just fine :)
James
@skonk
Dec 05 2016 13:38
and keeping track of 28 mastery levels worth of spells takes some logistics
I'm thinking about writing a web app to generate spells and keep track of who has what
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
Dec 05 2016 13:38
That would be quite usefull to have with mass-psyker lists
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 13:39
@SuperPranx I was wondering if anyone else could reproduce #2950, so you're no help :P
Ivan Milanov
@SuperPranx
Dec 05 2016 13:41
I have an HTML derived from the BS generated ones, for the psychic disciplines I use. I have all the rules and wording for a given discipline and 'checkboxes' for up to 6-7 psykers to mark what they rolled. It's not optimal, but it helps so far. I don't play too many psykes though :)
James
@skonk
Dec 05 2016 13:44
My plan was to allow me to add my pasykers to a list, along with their mastery levels; then select a discipline and hit generate and it generates a random spell. Then list all the spells against each psyker. Just need something on the models to identify them (number them or what ever)
The new Exalted Sorc kits actually have parts to make a good 10 or so pretty unique looking models; could take a photo of each of them and give each psyker in the list a portrait :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 13:50
for my Seer Council I have a number of spare 32mm bases with the psychic powers written on them... then you can also use them as counters when powers are active
otherwise, I pretty much exclusively use Eldar powers so I simply have the psychic power card deck for the rules...
in other news, @flakpanda I've thought of a way of default selection for Deathwatch veterans... could you make the heavy thunder hammer a default choice? because if that were possible, could you use the same thinking/criteria to have a Boltgun & Chainsword option checkbox?? My thinking is that the majority of Veterans will be "standard" because the cost gets pretty prohibitive pretty quickly otherwise, and it will be much quicker to write up a valid list...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 13:57
The bug is that default selections in shared groups add 2 of the entry to the parent, not 1 like it should.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 13:57
oh I see... :-(
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 13:58
Its difficult to work around, unfortunately
I've tried a workaround in the SW cat but I don't know if it works across the mobile app.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 14:00
Is there any word from Jon on the bug??
Is the latest SW CAT released? I can try on Android if you like...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 14:01
Yeah, should be in v2012+
Wolf lord and Wolf guard battle leaders use it atm
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 14:08
righto, both of those seem to work, default to Bolt Pistol & Chainsword
(for both...)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 14:11
Nice. It's iOS I'm most concerned about though, since that app seems to behave differently to android/desktop
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 14:12
grrr... naughty Apples... I don't have one so I can't test if it works or not...
I take it that it works on Desktop though? if so, 2 out of 3 ain't bad :-P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 14:12
yup, I'm in the same boat. which is why i was asking for someone with one earlier ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 14:13
is it difficult to implement? i.e. could I just "copy and paste" from the SW CAT into DW??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 14:13
its fairly straight forward
you link to a shared entry that has min 1 in parent, then add a modifier on the link to set min to 0
and you can do multiple in one group, which is nice :D
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 14:15
groovy, if I get time tonight I might have a twiddle :-)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 05 2016 22:05
Dude just doesn't give up on 1ks
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 22:05
He's dedicated...
well... to raising bug reports at least
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 22:06
lol, i know. i keep checking my email b/c of my notifications
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 22:32
u realize with with more than one option, the default selections dont work
i tried to get them to work and i couldnt.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 22:34
right, so, I've made a couple of tweaks here and there... I've added Kill Team Specialists to Deathwatch and Eldar (so I hope I've done it right...) and @flakpanda and @GenWilhelm I added a checkbox to Deathwatch Veterans so you can choose a Boltgun & Chainsword by checking the box, in the same way as for the HTH. It doesn't select it by default, and I've only done it for Veterans at the moment but I'd appreciate it if you'd have a look and check it is ok until the default doubling bug is fixed...
I've merged everything into the master but not relased yet... Also, I figured someone else would be working and probably release later so they can catch all my updates too :mile:
:smile:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 22:36
Does setting the B&C as default double it?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 22:37
well, that's the halfway house... it is a checkbox, so quicker than selecting each weapon individually, but I've not gone for a "min/max" constraint because that just wouldn't work...
and it doesn't select itself because of that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 22:38
im going to look at it now.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 22:38
:cool:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 22:43
hmmm… i wonder why it doesnt select it as default even those it tells it to
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 22:44
I thought that too...
although, even the presence of that check box makes building Deathwatch forces that contain even one squad of Veterans on Android a buckload faster...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 22:45
yeah, i can see. i am usually on my computer when i build lists tho :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 22:46
uhuh, sometimes I get inspired/distracted at work and have a toy with a list or two...
it should make it a little faster on Desktop too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 22:47
@GenWilhelm what do you need confirmed on ios?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 22:47
should I do the Van Vets, Terms and Bikers?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 22:52
@alphalas he wanted someone to check that the way he has implemented default selections for the Wolf Lord and Wolf Guard Battle Leader is working properly (i.e. no bizarre bugs) on iOS
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 22:56
well, there are 2 options for bolt pistols on the WGBL - bolt pistol(checkbox), and bolt pistol:none (radio button)
WL doesnt have the bolt pistol radio button option - but looks like you can freely change weapons
@flakpanda , @FarseerVeraenthis what did you two do to deathwatch?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 22:59
what do you mean?
i havent touched in a couple of days
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:00
both my lists with blackspears completely purged the blackspear detachment.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:01
i cleaned the cat up and reworked some things that were redundant from the orginal creator of that cat
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:01
that probably did it.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:01
i did tell the group it would break everyones DW lists
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:01
i probably missed that.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:01
uhuh, it did the same to mine
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:01
fair.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:02
sry
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:02
hence why I "test" the Android implementation thoroughly at work...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:02
also, dumb question - why is squad crull an option as a core but not donatus?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:02
donatus is the VVents?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:02
no, squad from overkill
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:02
i cant remember the squads off the top my head
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:02
Crull can "replace" a squad of veterans in Death MAsque, Donatus cannot in Overkill
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:02
^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:02
ah i see.
kk was just curious.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:03
no worries, it's all as clear as usual GW...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:04
yeah, i still havent found a good way to do, i beielve it is, KT mallius since it requires 2 TH or HTH in the KT
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:04
also, as an added kicker, Squad Donatus doesn't benefit from Mission Tactics... although it does have a fair few special rules of it's own...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:04
donatus doesnt have tactics? i didnt realize that.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:04
;-)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:06
no shit - whelp now thinking about it i'm less miffed that i can't run donatus as donatus in the blackspear.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:06
also, Crull and Galatael (Squad leaders from Death Masque) have two wounds when normal Sargeants only have 1...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:06
i did notice that.
which is why i'm glad i finally have death masque lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:06
hehehehe! when it came back in stock I was like "buy buy buy"!!!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:07
my FLGS has like 3 more copies.
and 3 more copies of Calth - and i think 4 copies of prospero.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:07
how many did they have in the first place??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:08
the shop is a card/hobby shop, so any boxed sets or limited edition stuff he tends to get the max allocation.
mindset: if i have it, it will sell eventually.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:08
Did you just want to get death maqsue for the deal? or did you not have the book either?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:09
i think he got 6 calths, 4 prosperos, 6 overkills, and 6 masques.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:09
all of the above... I wanted the book, and I collect Eldar and wanted harlequins (surprise!) and I thought Deathwatch would be much more awesome than "normal" marines...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:10
i wanted all of the box - the gf has all 3 elf kins so more clowns is always a good thing.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:10
ah
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:10
FLGS' like that can be a gold mine when GW sell out...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:10
indeed.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:11
and, when you consder the awesome models and ridiculous price discount from retail it is a bit of a no brainer...
that's my FLGS.
yes, it's an old bank building - yes, that is a bank vault in the middle behind the counter.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:13
awesome :-)
speaking of discount, the new Battleforce boxes look to be good value...
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:13
I'm not sure those bugs are all getting fixed before this weekend's release of Traitor Legions
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:14
oh well... my inbox will drown a little more then...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:14
they are a massive val;ue.
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:14
I'm trying to implement eight other FBDs
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:14
and also Codex Imperial Agents will be out soon too...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:14
the tau one alone youre getting free fish, FW, and stealths.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:14
the Deathwatch one is a crazy deal
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:14
yeah no kidding.
theyre all fantastic.
whats fun is the CM one - get it, the start collecting, a knight, and i think another squad of kataphrons and you have a war con.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:16
@cartag to be honest I'd wait til traitor legions come out to fixes and update everything
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:16
yeah i agree with that sentiment.
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:17
Good, I'm not the only one
If I could hide Force Entries it wouldn't be that big of a deal
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Dec 05 2016 23:18
Two big releases back to back like this could nullify everything you do. Also you don't know who the 2nd release make everything interact. You can get the data in just to get it in
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:18
I thought we were over the top with regards to bug fixes when there was only one page... now we have nearly three...
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:19
This is all kinds of awesome though
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:19
im about to work on DKOKAB - im glad AM doesnt seem to have as much of a fan club as CSM and SM.
that is sweet.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 05 2016 23:19
just a single dude can cause you to get REKT ;)
if he is full of malic... eh energy!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:20
yeah your CM fan club is wild too.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 05 2016 23:20
I think I got them sedated. For now.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:21
hopefully.
how bout that budget war con option, though?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:21
@alphalas while you're beavering away would you put the Sokar into the Deathwatch Codex please :smile: then that is another bug off the list...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 05 2016 23:21
buget war con?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:21
just wait untill all the newbs are bitching warcon doesnt work on ios.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 05 2016 23:21
*budget
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:21
yeah, very good price/points/efectiveness balance
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:22
the battleforce box and start collecting boxes.
basically gets you 3/4 of war con in 2 boxes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 05 2016 23:22
oh yes.
That contains a formation
as obviously will the imperial agent codex
I fully intend to get 2 of those and build one of each dual purpose kit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:23
for Deathwatch, if you have Death Masque and pick up a Battleforce you have a full Blackspear including a Watch Company as well...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Dec 05 2016 23:23
as for the iOS issue... I'll tag them as a BS bug and let them rot :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:23
^this.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:23
I think you literally have one of every choice in the codex apart from a normal dread and a librarian
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:23
@alphalas the original reason i was asking for someone on iOS was for #2950. there is no issue on desktop/android, i was just wondering if it was reproducible on iOS
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:23
how are you actually officially supposed to make a war con?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:23
yup, iOS implementation seems a little ropey...
oh, that bug!! yes, does seem a little wonky...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:24
i'll check the squads - did you see what i said about WGBL?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:25
yeah, he has two separate options for bolt pistol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:25
really? is that a dex thing?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:25
nah, its my fault for leaving it in when i changes his weapon options
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:25
sounds a little funky to me...
hhahahahaah!!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:26
becaue having both a checkbox option and a radio button option seemed goofy
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:26
whoops! :-)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:26
:+1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:26
the way it was set up before was an absolute mess
groups within groups within groups
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:28
is the special weapon in blood claws supposed to count as a chainsword hand?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:29
yeah, special weapons replace boltgun or melee weapon
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:30
seems to be working normally?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:30
thanks dude
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:30
probably what issue is is wasnt removing the default selections?
as in 1 less chainsword for 1 more special weapon?
that's my hunch.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:31
the issue said he should be able to select 10 weapons for 5 guys
but he can only select 2
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:32
5 left hand 5 right hand makes sense, but yeah i dont get that only 2 thing either.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:33
oh i see why the bolt pistol group wasnt removed
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:33
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:34
:+1:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:34
trying to rival @Kohato for most issues closed in one commit? :P
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:34
I don't think that's the most I've closed at once, sadly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 05 2016 23:35
that's still bloody good going...!
anyway, holy cow is that the time... night all!!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:35
laters o/
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:41
I'm at 11 bugs closed next time I do a commit
for just this one file
Question for anybody else who's had to do this much crap all at once: Have you ever made just a dummy relic to copypaste so you can get through them quicker?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:44
Why do you need to copy so many relics?
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:45
Traitor Legions book gives 6 relics to each of 9 traitor legions. TS have the same as WoM, so that's 48 new relics coming out Friday
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:46
Wow, geedubs going all out on csm :D
8 new FBDs too (Formation Based Detachments)
quicker to type than decurion style
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:48
Yeah, with 26 new formations.
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:48
2 new
the others are from Black Legion, Traitor's Hate, and Wrath of Magnus
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:49
meta detachments ;)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Dec 05 2016 23:49
oh yeah, looking through the list it is mostly reprints
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:50
but still, we get real legion tactics now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 05 2016 23:53
shit now i need to remember how i fixed the DFTS stuff lol
cartag
@cartag
Dec 05 2016 23:58
what stuff?