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28th
Dec 2016
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 28 2016 00:22
smoooth
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 28 2016 00:27
#3144 @cartag I feel your pain...
look harder !!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 00:28
He's probably on the old SM cat.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 28 2016 00:29
well, who knows... I should probably do a release so people can start breaking the SM CAT now I've added kill team to it... but I'm going to bed instead... someone else can do it :wink:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2016 01:36
@tag8833 if you wouldn't mind doing the SoB fixes that'd be rad - I'll do the re-rewrite in February
Friday I'm sitting down with a pint of fireball pumpkin spice kahlua eggnog and I'll get AA and AT knocked out and start on knights
GK that is
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 03:38
Ok. I'll get started tomorrow.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2016 10:43
Hey @tag8833 guard needs some love too - something in it broke hard
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 28 2016 12:13
Hahaha! Looks like something has been deleted that shouldn't have been...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 12:59
Someone deleted a shared entry that a couple conditionals relied on
Check commit history and see who worked on it last I'd guess
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2016 14:43
Oh, I know what did it then. I moved the cadian battle group to the cat from the gst
Damnit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 14:44
That could be it :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Dec 28 2016 14:46
At least you know what the problem is, and that's for a good cause too so all groovy :smile:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2016 15:35
Ugh being sick sucks
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 15:35
I'll dig into guard right now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2016 15:37
Thanks tag - I really appreciate it
I'm useless right now -.-
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:12
I've got the issues with AM fixed, I think, but I have a question about some of the modifiers. It looks like several of the unique characters are restricted based on the category of how the Company Command Squad is taken. Here is an example:
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What I can't figure out is why those characters aren't allowed to be part of those Categories.
I just reviewed the rules for the Cadian Battle Group, and the other formations, and I can't see any specific restriction. What am i missing?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:22
Maybe the code and command choices restrict to certain people?
*Core
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:23
I can't find a restriction, but I could be missing something.
Ah. Found it. It is limited to datasheets present in the Cadia suppliment
Because GW thinks that what low powered armies need is more restrictions.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:29
That's an odd way to restrict it. Since those restrictions would allow it in a basic CAD based on what you snip/pasted.
That's why my IG list will simply be 9 russes lead by a Pask Punisher and 3 baneblade varients.
I will fear all forms of melta.
and that's about it
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:32
It is only trying to restrict it inside a Cadian Battle Group. Those Characters are allowed in a Cad or any other type of detachment. Just not the Guard Decurion.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:32
ahh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2016 16:33
Probably the ones restricted are not Cadian named characters
So Al'Arhem, Straken, etc
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:37
Probably.
I'm still sore that you can't take Pask in an "Emperor's Fist formation". It means that if you want to run a tank company lead by past you need a minimum of 1190 points of non-upgraded Lemun Russes, and 2 tank commander units.
My gaming group is near a large Airforce base, and those guys want so bad to field tank centric armies, and it is just stupidly hard to do that in the modern meta.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:38
It is
That's why it's my 3rd army, "for funzies"
Also, 1190 is not minium for a pask tank group
Cadian Battlegroup only requires a command
so you could technically make one for 340 points
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:40
Fair enough.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:41
*360
forgot to upgrade to a punisher
You would of course want the core ...
but it's pretty doable
Just not that great lol
so much melta and armor piercing these days
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:42
But then you are limiting yourself to 2-3 tanks in 1 unit. I think these guys would like to run 4-5 tanks. Just not 7
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:42
Hmm
actually I can select pask in an emporer's fist
at least in BS.
in the Core choice at least.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:43
It isn't legal according to the GW draft FAQ
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:43
ohhh
well ... hopefully that gets reversed
Because Pasknisher is just fun
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:43
I'm pretty sure we left it in because the Draft FAQ isn't finalized, and it is easier to allow than to deal with the complaints
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:43
it's like playing Bastion in 40k
No, agreed. FAQ is not finalized, so those changes should not go in
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:44
I've had 2 of my guys get DQ'd from tourneys for relying on BS as a basis for including Pask.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:45
There's nothing explicitly saying no to him
That said, nobody should rely on BS for rules.
You check your codex, then with your TO
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:45
I know. Just around me several TO's were falling all over themselves to use the Draft FAQ's on Day 1.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:45
If you don't have a codex to bring to a tourney, you shouldn't be playing that army.
They shouldn't, but that is ultimately on them
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:46
All I can really control is my own house. My tourneys aren't using the Draft FAQ's yet, but we are using the finalized one.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:48
So a basic Tank list with a cadian battle group (for me at least
can fit 7 russes, 3 engiseers, and a baneblade
with 65pts for upgrades
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:48
Don't spend it all in one place.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Dec 28 2016 16:48
Inorite
Take out the baneblade and you can probably fit 9 russes and a good number of upgrades
but why take out the baneblade.
That assumes the FAQ is reversed and Pask can be in the core
so you can go cheap on a 60pt Company comand.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 16:50
Us Ork players are hoping they will reverse the FAQ to allow us Ghazgul in place of a warlord in our Decurion core / command options.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2016 16:57
Well, if you don't like the limits of Cadian armored, there's always FW ABG - yeah it's the old costs for tanks, but you can literally do practically anything with that list
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 17:00
That is usually what they run. But it isn't nearly as good, and gets outstripped by almost every army these days. I mean my ground pounding Tyranid armies can smash those lists.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Dec 28 2016 17:01
That is true; the old costs cripple ABG
James
@skonk
Dec 28 2016 21:48
Belated thanks @FarseerVeraenthis
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Dec 28 2016 23:32
I think SoB is up to date with Agents of the Imperium now. I'll tackled the old formations on Thursday if we are still supporting them. I'm kinda thinking they are obsolete since the E Book went out of print, but I'll make them work if you guys think we should.
Still on BL
Thank you though man - bronchitis is kicking my ass