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11th
Jan 2017
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jan 11 2017 06:06
@alphalas have
Have you got very far updating codex inquisition for agents?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 06:58
@Kohato that's funny, I think where they didn't show for you they haven't hidden for me... It took me longer than anticipated to finish what I was doing on the Deathwatch CAT last night so I didn't have time to properly get into the SM one... I think Ultramarine characters are done and one IF relic that I'll use as a template to show/hide the rest... There's just an unbelievable amount of them and resulting number of conditions are a little crazy...
It'll take a little while to go through them all and I'll undoubtedly miss one or two but we'll see :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 08:35
oh lord.
it is true.
Cawl is totally broken.
More meta detachments to be done for AdMech.
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 08:46
I thought he did that for all imperial armies.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 08:46
he does
Yet still, conclave aquistiorius and a grand detachment to be done
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 08:49
Argh. Gitter mobile won't let me paste this morning. His profile is out. Recovers D3 wounds a turn..
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 08:49
You've seen rules or have rules? Care to share a link?
shakes fist at gitter mobile

what we see confirms this:

Cawl's rules have leaked.

HQ Choice, 200 points (that's right he is that cheap and NOT a LOW!)

WS5 BS5 S5 T6 W5 I3 A3 LD10 2+ armour, 5++ invul (Refractor Field)

He may replace any Dominus in the formations from our codex. Cawl, Grayfax and Celestine may be taken as an HQ choice in a CAD or allied detachment for ANY Imperial Faction, no matter which faction those three actually come from. So yes, we could take Celestine etc. instead of a Dominus.

Arc-Claw-Thingy ("Bogengeißel"): Range:- S+1 AP4 Close Combat, Haywire, Master-crafted. Has a special rule that let's you re-roll the result on the haywire chart.

Master-crafted Power Axe

Mechandrite Hive: Cawl does 2D6(!!) S4 Ap- attacks at Ini 10 if he is in close combat. Doesn't grant an additional pile-in move. He also has a Dataspike, so potential 13 S4 AP- Ini 10 attacks, BEFORE he even starts to swing with his axe!

Scryerskull: At the start of your turn you can identify a mysterious objective anywhere on the map.

Solar-Atomiser: Range 12", S10, AP1 Assualt D3, Master-Crafted, Melter

Special Rules:

Warlord Trait is the one that let's him re-roll FNP rolls.

Special rule 1 (not gonna translate the German names for those): At the start of your turn, Cawl regains D3 wounds. Yep, no roll for this or anything, he just gets them back!

Canticles Of The Omnissiah

Canticles Of The Archmagos: Only work if Cawl is alive. Work just like the other Canticles but also influence any Imperial vehicles that are within 12" of Cawl, even if they don't have the canticles special rule.

Harmony Of Metallurgy

1-3 IWND

4-7 IWND. Roll two times for IWND instead of one time

8* IWND. Roll three times for IWND instead of one time (so any vehicle etc. could regain 3 wounds from this!)

Word Of Neutralisatoin

1-3 BS+1

4-7 BS+2

8+ BS+3

Warhymn Of the Machine God

1-3 6+ Invul save

4-7 5+ Invul Save

8+ 4+ Invul Save

and where the eff to we place the Triumvirate Formation?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 09:07
So he is toughness 6, with a 2+, a 5++, and a 6+ FNP that is possibly re-rollable, and regains D3 wounds a turn, of which he has 5... He going to be pretty tough to kill, but with a 12" range or combat I'm going to just run away and ignore him...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 09:08
he is a MC after all.
And the dangerous part is the new canticles... a 4+ for the entire army. Imagine an IG mech list where everything has IWND and stuff.
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 09:08
Yeah. He seems like a potential buff monster
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 09:09
sorry, catching up with the rest of the post, had to switch to desktop for a proper look :smile:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 09:18
where does it say he is a monstrous creature? His unit type in the link is "Infantry (Character)"
following the links to the leaked datasheets, Celestine looks pretty nasty as well, she is 5 wounds, but you have to kill two 2-Wound Geminae before you can wound Celestine, and they have 3+/4++ saves as well...
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 09:23
Did I see a rule where the Geminae can be revived?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 09:32
oh yeah, that's what I mean, she is nasty - as in tough and difficult to kill...
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 09:33
The Arc Scourge is in the Heresy (on the Arlatax) but I'm told it's different to the version Cawl has..
Those canticals of the Archmagos, are they rolled on a D10 or D12?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 09:38
you don't roll them
the number is the number of units with the canticles rule on the board
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 09:38
Ahhh
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 09:38
ah yes.. I just presumed he's a MC.. even better as he gets cover more easily
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 09:39
So the more mechanicus stuff you have the better he is?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 09:39
jup
as with the normal canticles
its basically IG orders based on numbers of IG on field
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 09:44
so, all of this is cool for Armies of the Imperium, but I have to agree with this comment about the Invuln stripping pistol: "That's cool, but it actually makes me a bit nervous regarding a new arms race. Invulnerable saves are so last edition. Feel No Pain is the new black. Then it will be re-rollable Feel No Pain..."
Having been on the wrong side of feel no pain rolls, they are annoying to say the least...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 09:45
true.
As long as they confine it to that single model though... but the power creep may very well take a new leap here.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 09:48
uhuh, also, this continuous release of rules on models - while cool - means it's going to be difficult to keep track of everything, even more so when you think of the number of books some of those formations will need in order for you to have all the reference data to hand... Never mind trying to add it all to BS...!!!!
Is there a way we can use the GST to capture multi-dex formations??
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 09:52
Have to wonder if this an indication of them moving to a warscroll-type way of getting rules out.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 09:54
hmmm... and then a cover-all "Armies of the Imperium" book like I'm led to believe the various faction books are in AoS
??
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 09:55
That would be a large book.
WarDataSlates on the website and in the box, buy the codex for extra options and have everything in one place or buy a campaign book that has formations you can't get anywhere else.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 09:58
hmmm... a lot of people have been commenting about the rules bloat in 7th, I can't see how this is being reduced, in fact I think it is only getting worse with these super formations
I also can't decide if all the books released recently make it more or less likely a new edition is coming...
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 10:08
Yeah, hard to tell what they'll do with the BRB.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 10:14
wrt the Castigator pistol (ignores invuln saves) - it is an Ecclesiarchy Relic so it can be taken by people who could take relics when the army includes Celestine, so not limited to any single model...
some of these relics are hilarious - how big is the Large Blast template? ◾The Font of Fury (10pts) - Once per game, the bearer can use this instead of another ranged weapon. Range: 8", S3, AP-, Assault 1, Large Blast, Poison 4+, One Use Only, Bane of Evil: becomes Poison 2+ against enemy units with Chaos Space Marine, Chaos Demon or Khorne Demonkin faction
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 10:17
haha
5"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 10:17
large blast is 5"
and yes, I do multi codex detachments all the time in AdMech
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 10:19
so that's a pretty risky weapon unless you have a fairly high BS, since it could fairly easily scatter onto the bearer... But yes, sorry for being a grumpy sod who is used to one book covering their entire army and the BRB for all the reference material I ever need...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 10:24
I know that feel ;)
I have detachments with up to 3 different codexes... it is cumbersome, but it works
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 10:27
I think I also prefer spending money on models than books...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 10:28
I'm rather annoyed by the page flicking and book searching going on during a game..
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 10:28
Must have a look at how you've done that.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 10:29
speaking of models and referencing playing games, I didn't push a release last night, but has anyone tried the new Deathwatch CAT? just to know if it works the same for others as it appeared to work for me last night...
and yes, I have previously used Battlescribe as a handy "rules summary" for actual playing games...
to reduce page flicking
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 10:36
@FarseerVeraenthis have any of your upgrades been pushed? Or do I need to manually download from git to look at it?
@tag8833 I'm about a quarter way through- haven't committed anything yet
Been slow going- irl's been crazy last few weeks
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 10:51
alright.
Cawl and Conclave Aquisitorius is in according to the available leaks. Grand thingy comes later.
oh boy. Those Grad Convocation things will fuck us over... badly
I don't think we can do them in BS at all correctly..
there's no way to check for 4 troops min in a detachment when those 4 troops can come from 2 oder more files...
Gotta mull about that.
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 10:56
Could you set the check to Roster (and all child selections)?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 10:57
did you look at those detachments? ^^ the castellans has like 20 possible troops
and you're not going to check for one type of unit, but for everyone to not exceed limitation X
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 10:58
Ah, wow!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 10:59
Cross codex formations are doable
cross formation detachments...
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 10:59
I'll leave that one alone until FW decides to add that type of crazy to the Heresy.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 10:59
*Cross codex detachments
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 11:00
Cross codex armies?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 11:01
yes
4+ troops whereas said troops can be IG platoons, tacticals, crusaders, sisters of battle..
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 11:02
I'll cross that off my list then. I was going to see if I could something like that for LoW units.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 11:02
maybe its possible.. I just do now know how yet
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 11:13
@alphalas I pushed my commit to Git, but I didn't do a relase... so if you're linked to Git that's cool, otherwise, don't worry since you'll get to see it when it is relased anyway
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 11:17
I'll pull it down and give it a look
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 11:37
thanks :smile: and @Thairne that is a truly wild Detachment/Formation/thing... "just chose whatever you want and play battles"
oh and here are some extra rules to go on top of the extra rules you have at the moment...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:00
AdMec is basically the same, but way less convoluted. Same problem though...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:08
Thought on the multi codex crap. Don't do it. Put a disclaimer that users should add relevant units in multiple unbound forces. Then add "formation rules" and "detachment rules" in the no force org slot to add on demand.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:09
that would be one way to do it, yes. A cop out of some kind, but BS just does not support that kind of interlinkage currently.
(at least if we dont want to shift shit over into the GST which would be quite terrible)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:13
Not a cop out if it requires things the software can't do :p
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 12:13
Would you put the formation in the GST... It does draw from a lot of different books... Then you could put the rules for that formation in the GST as well and not have to duplicate them in all the different CAT files...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:13
we COULD do it, it would just be very, very, VERY bad :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:14
Yes Simon
Hide unless unbound
And mark Fall of Acadia at the start of the name
*Cadia
Oh I meant for my solution :smile:
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 12:15
Yes, especially if your trying to fix something. If you want a small taste of what it means try figuring out how rites of war modify the force org by just looking at the Heresy files in the data editor.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:15
Ability to do all this aside. I really really really want Cawl to lead my ig tank force
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:16
you need some vanguard/rangers tho for the canticles
or does the enginseer from C:IA get canticles?
I think he does...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:17
He does I believed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:18
jup he does
so even more repairbots hiding behind the russes for cheap canticle buffs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:18
Yup
Baneblade russes cawl engiseers
That's my list :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:19
4++ baneblades
with +3 BS
and 3 dice on IWND
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:19
Yup
Scary shit there
Fuck your melta
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:20
I'm muling on how to get cawl to get gud in a standard admech list
he's too slow and too melee focused to really do something
and admech ironically lacks vehicles... which left my scratching my head on why you'd want POTMS on an onager or a chicken
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:21
Haha
It seems he is not meant for an admech force confusingly enough
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:22
well yeah you CAN replace every dominus with a cawl.. so kind of
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:22
He seems to be designed as an allied detachment kind of guy
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:23
hm
4++ 12" POTMS Vindicator Squadron
basically turns them into fast vehicles
nope, cant take em. Only admech.
What.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 12:25
Oh :(
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 12:25
Dragoons, Balistarii and Onagers. WHY would they need POTMS?
oh yes, and Knights. Which don't care anyway.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 13:04
@FarseerVeraenthis purgatus - crull doesn't validate stalker req
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 14:15
"And we haven’t even started on the 12 new relics"
... imperium relics.
For all imperium armies
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 14:16
and the fact that the Triumvirat seem to count as HQ for every army.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 14:16
Times like this I just wish GW would do their own list app like they do for sigmar
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 11 2017 14:16
they're not THAT mad.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 17:15
kinda glad cel only can get back up once now.
and tbf @Kohato, the AoS app is garbage for actually calculating points totals for a list.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 17:29
i guess i can replace old Cel with New cel.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:02
? AoS app works fine with points if you baught the handbook in it
Nope, don't dare do that btw
You'll open up a whole new can of worms
GW decided that Hypertime needed to be something 40k works with, so all timelines matter. New Cel will likely be ruled legal next to old Cel - a'la rune priest.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:04
base points, yes - not if you want 6 max squads of seraphon though. it doesnt calculate totals.
...fuck.
god damnit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:04
Ohh, yea that is a limiation
I use scrollbuilder usually for sigmar either way
Welcome to Hypertime.
And yea.
we comics now boys.
At least when the FW team writes it, they give Caleb brand new names each time -.-
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:06
fine.
there will be saint celestine, and celestine.
fuck it, don't care.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:07
Yep. Or Saint Celestine and Saint Celestine (Cadia)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:07
i just fixed the old conclave back into AS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:07
Either way, you take one out and you'll have plenty of bug reports.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:22
hey @Kohato , how do i do repeating max 1 per instance of X?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 18:22
BTW @alphalas, seems my reply didn't post, I actually didn't make a criteria for Crull to validate the purgatus stalker requirement, so that's why it doesn't work :-P either you can do it or ill fix it but I can't get to it tonight...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:23
it can wait - i got enough to do myself.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:23
Max = 1
Incremement Max by 1 Repeating
Per Instance of X in Force
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:24
but then how do you set max zero if not instance? or can you set both simultaneously?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:24
Set max = 0
If 0 Instances of X in force
I'd do set max 0 first so it runs first
so the loop breaks there
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:25
blob
like that?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:25
h/o
blob
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:28
ah, ok, gotcha.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:28
Replace "Model" with your conditional
and of course, shared.
Make sure to do the "Selections of Force" also has "And Child Selections" selected
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 18:28
Do you need to enable "All child selections" for that? If the priest is buryed in another selection.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:29
yes.
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 18:29
Cool.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:29
If the max is per army and not force
then of course, Selections in Army instead of Selections in force
Child selections AND child Forces should be checked in that case.
Actually, wait - Alpha
Can you have 1 if you don't have any of that jonas?
zopha
@zopha
Jan 11 2017 18:30
Sorry, on a train with crappy internet. Was just about about to ask about child forces :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:31
*Jacobus not jonus
Basically, if you can have 1, and each conditional increases max - do what I said. If you can only have 1 per each conditional (or 0 if none), then set max to 0 initially and you don't need to have the set to 0 conditional
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:31
if you dont have a priest or jacobus no you can't have a conclace.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:31
Ah then set initial max to 0
and increment by 1
save 2 lines :)
I'm confusing myself, what are the conditionals for conclave
1 per priest, but 0 if you ahve no Jacobus, regardless of priest count?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:33
you need a priest or jacobus.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:33
So 1 per priest OR jacobus
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:33
for each priest or jacobus, you can take 1.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:33
Ok, that'll be slightly different
h/o
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:33
so if somehow you had 5 and jacobus, you casn have 6 conclaves.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:34
Is conclave a unit
or a formation
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:34
this version is a unit.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:35
(y)
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:35
there is also the C:IA formation (which is easier and better)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:36
First Increment will be Jacobus
2nd will be Priest
blob
"And child Forces" should be checked in the initial Max 0, and both Increments
That will bump it up for each instance of either in the force.
and allow 0 if you have neither jacobus or priest
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:38
blob
so that.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:39
You can change model to either the selection link or the shared selection - it shoud work in either case
yep
that should work
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:39
sweet - thanks.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:39
np
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:39
ill test it local before i commit.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:39
I say should because with all things battlescribe, who the fuck knows
code-wise, that is the correct form :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:40
lol i've gotten that impression
hooray it works correctly.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 18:42
joy :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 18:42
:+1: yay!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:43
now to reset the incrument number back down to one aboute the repo, and commit.
above*
done.
now the 2 Am bugs, then C:IA inq again.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 11 2017 18:53
The fun never stops...!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 18:58
there, AM squashed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 19:03
oh god
Cadia
It's going to break so much
Arcana Mechanicum – Characters that can normally take a relic and are part of a Conclave Acquistorius Formation, Grand Concavaction Detachment or are in an army that includes Belsarius Cawl can take these:
Quantum Annihilator (30pts) – Replaces a weapon. Range: 18″, S 2d6, AP2, Assault D3, Quantum Paradox – Each time it fires, roll 2d6 to determine strength after target unit has been chosen. If it rolls above 10, it wounds automatically with Instant Death rule (or is an auto Pen against vehicles)
Rules as written, that can replace a heavy stubber on an IK baron.
Think about that.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 19:05
that's spectacular.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 19:06
Another list if your army has celestine
Desvalle’s Holy Circle (35pts) – Bearer has a 4+ Invulnerable. Enemy units cannot Deep-Strike within 12″ of the bearer. If they scatter within 12″ of the Bearer, they suffer an automatic Deep Strike Mishap
a 4++ on a baron
all around
Holy fuck
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 19:06
automatic mishap.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 19:06
yea
holy shit
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 19:07
that's fucking awesome
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 19:07
My IK list is so so so happy now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 19:07
holy shit.
that'll give my knight lords buddy fits.
tehehe
plots
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 19:08
Think of that against a skyhammer SM army
12" bubble of protection
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 20:44
...and I'm gunna break everyone's inq lists - oh well
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 20:55
Hey @Kohato, am I reading it correctly that a malleus inq in term armor can have a NDH and force sword?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 20:55
NDH?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 20:55
Nemesis daemon hammer
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 20:56
assumeing they're treated like SM Termies, yes.
I don't know the Inq book at all
but SM termies could conceivibly have a Thunder hammer and power sword.
Can't say I've ever seen a list like that though
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 20:58
yea I have it open now i'm looking
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 20:58
Kk
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 20:58
No, in that case he cannot.
Though per GW you can take a narthecium and then upgrade to a Vet, upgrading to termie armor here requires you to trade in carapace armor, BP, Chainsword, and grenades
Can't trade in the BP if you've already done so for a power sword
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 21:00
But it's any one weapon for fs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 21:00
Oh force sword
sorry
Yes.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 21:00
Yes force not power
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 21:00
Storm Bolter counts as a weapon
it can be replaced.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 21:00
Ok though so
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 21:00
You could replace the daemon hammer too I suppose
if you're really attached to the BP
*Storm Bolter
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 21:01
That's the way the cat was originally written
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 21:01
And because hey, I love pointing out how much cadia fucks with BS
He could also replace the bolt pistol with that quantium cannon
if cawl is with him
Because why not
Not entirely sure if you could replace grenades with them
I don't think so
no you couldn't, they're not in the "Weapons" section of the codex
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 21:04
It didn't allow the sb for fs swap, hence the ask
Lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 21:04
Ahh
Yea, I don't see why it couldn't.
It's pretty clear in the codex
Any weapon. and SB is a weapon
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 21:06
Yup
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 22:01
you know, assuming MC costs 10 and a second mastery level cost 30pts, greyfax is a 5pt savings for an inq.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jan 11 2017 22:25
Saw the leaks post, those relics are going to be a bitch to impliment...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 22:40
Yes.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 11 2017 22:52

@all Hey all, we need a bit of input here now that Cadia is out in the wild. It introduces a lot of obstacles as the detachments are cross codex for 5 codex files, but not in a nice and neat way like a War Convo is where there's one part from each codex. It also introduces new global relics that can be taken based on detachment or HQ choice. As well as 3 HQs that can be a legal HQ for any imperium army. It's a bitch.

I propose the following implementation:

Greyfax, Cawl, and New Celestine be placed in their respective Codex files and implemented as normal (Replacement for inquisitor, tech priest, etc). They also should be placed as an HQ choice in the GST (I know, it sucks. Also, only the new celestine, not the old one - though she should stay valid a'la rune priest). A rule should be placed in each entity stating only imperium armies can take them as HQ.

New formations should not be implemented. Instead, the requirements for them, and the rules, should be added to the GST as a "No Force Org" Option titled, Cadia Detachments/Rules. Players should manually make those lists in Unbound detachments and then add the rules in manually (as well as a "Rule" noting the requirements if they wish).

New Relics should be added as No Force Org options as well in the GST with a note about their requirements.

It isn't neat, and it is against what we've done before. But to fully implement this supplement, we need cross .cat linking, something BS cannot yet do. I don't like a solution like this, but it is, in my mind, the easiest way to avoid making all but 10 of our cat files entirely dependent on one another - or have so much duplicated entities throughout our cat files that parity between them after changes will be an absolute nightmare.

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 23:06
well, as soon as my C:IA Inq stuff is done, i'll commit - Greyfax is in it on my local version.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jan 11 2017 23:12
Now here is where I wish BS was a backed database instead of XML files :(
*back end
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 23:42
Is there any point to hiding c:ia inq stuff in the non-CIA detachment or formation, or vise Versa with non-CIA stuff in the CIA detachment?
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jan 11 2017 23:44
I don't think so. Seems like you could mix and match
Which is stupid, but apparently what gw wants.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 11 2017 23:58
Fair