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12th
Jan 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 04:10
oh holy shit.
i'm finally to the "add chambers millitant and other faction units to the henchmen formation."step.
cartag
@cartag
Jan 12 2017 04:20
RE: Cadia, what if we set it up like War Convo, but without the Core/Aux/Command, but HQ/Troop/Etc?
granted, I don't have a firm grasp on how it's set up exactly, but could be an option?
Nm, I think I was thinking with how it was implemented in 1.15
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 05:09
gat damn - just need to add DW, GK, and techpriest and i'll be happy with Inq.
@tag8833 you're gunna be my cleaner once i'm done again, if that's aight with you.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jan 12 2017 05:19
Yeah, I'll take a look as soon as you give me the go ahead.
I'm eager to start using it. Using excel to list build isn't nearly as fast.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jan 12 2017 05:20
@cartag i didnt even think of how the war convo from cadia is going to work. its all but 5 imperium factions
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Jan 12 2017 05:23
By the way, great job everyone. The number of open issues is smaller than it has been in quite some time.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 12 2017 07:49
@Kohato in response, I think the Triumvirate should only be in the GST, otherwise, surely there could be problems with duplicate entries in the local CAT's?? Otherwise, I agree with the relics being in the GST, I think it is the only way to implement them without major duplication. Do show/hide rules in the GST work the same as in the CAT files? If we run into trouble with the condition we could add an automatic "Armies of the Imperium" tag in the appropriate CAT files that we could use as a show/hide for the triumvirate and associated relics... I think we also need to include the Triumvirate Formation in the GST, since it is also available to any AotI...
and thanks @tag8833 don't forget to include yourself in those congratulations :+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 09:25

@Kohato I also think the HQ'S should be in the GST, default hidden. Then those Imperium armys can set them to shown via a mod. That solves that problem.
Regarding the relics: SEG in the GST, default hidden. Modifier: if appropriate Triumvirate Character is present in Force, show. I assume every cat already has a SEG with the relics to link them to characters (if not - what the hell are you doing to your CAT?!) ; in that case, you can link the new relics SEG into the codex specific relics SEG.

Did I describe my spontaneus idea good enough or is it to cryptic? ^^

I've not come up with a better solution for the new Detachments, so...

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 11:40
If they do go into gst just means when @tag8833 is cleaning inq he'll have to delete her then relink her into the formation from C:IA - but that should work I think
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 11:47
I have a cawl in my file already also, but that is not that much work
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 12 2017 13:07
fyi Deathwatch Players - I just pushed a release that includes my DW CAT changes... Alpha already pointed out that Crull doesn't validate properly in the Purgatus Kill Team. I just realised it will also not validate properly in the Furor Team, and for both those teams you will not be able to have less than 6 veterans (5 in the squad and 1 mandatory weapon selection), because I didn't put a modifier in the Veteran Squad Entry to reduce the Min selection to 4 if Parent is either kill team... :-( I need to find time to fix it but hopefully those issues will not cause too many headaches because I don't know when I'll be able to get to them just yet...
I'll raise an issue to capture the ones I know about already...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jan 12 2017 18:02
@FarseerVeraenthis :sigh:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 12 2017 19:05
Huh?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jan 12 2017 19:06
Just having to redo my lists :b
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 12 2017 19:07
Oh, hahaha! They'll be much quicker now :-)
I thought it was something bad for a minute then...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 12 2017 19:15
Although, I realise I've missed the sergeant out of the weapon selection change...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 20:33
@Thairne didn't you do the priest and servitors?
ResidentSteve
@ResidentSteve
Jan 12 2017 20:49
@Thairne @alphalas The formation from C:IA is there, which is awesome, but the two units haven't been added to the Cult Mech list's
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:16
goddamnit
Wh40k.ru is down... where do I get my rules to implement from now?
hah
I already did DL the C:IA... lucky me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:19
@Thairne - continuing the git comment thread - No I literally mean that the common consensus about the C:IA amongst the devs has been that C:IA is officially a part of each dex, and should be treated as a battlefield role in the dex
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:21
I already understood
I just wasn't aware of that
looking at C:IA I can see where you're coming from
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:21
ah gotcha.
sorry didnt mean to come down as a dick.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:22
just took a few too many Captain Morgans to combat my depression, so I might not be writing as concise as I used to :P
and smart me already did include them as that, just limiting them to the enginseer congreation
so simply removing the hide modifier...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:22
:+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:22
Guh.
THat means I have to hide all other elite and HQ choices.
CURSE YOU GW! CURSE YOUUUUU!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:23
oh you mean for the enginseer congregation?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:23
... which means I have to invert the hide condition.
yeah, it only allows the enginseer and the servitors
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:24
i see, roger
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:24
grabs head
Bad time to do logical coding*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:29
this warrants some warnings...
enginseers and servitors ONLY have the Canticles rules in the Congregation
otherwise its just a cheap HQ that hurts your canticles count
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:29
indeed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:29
I can see this being played wrong VERY easily
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:30
agreed.
but we serve the users.
breaks out glowing disc
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:31

I'm just thinking.. the unit lacks the canticle rule whereas all other ones have it

so... RAW it is fine
should I however add a warning to prevent misplays? but that would set a precedent...

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:32
id say just leave off the canticle rule as should be - if someone doesnt know their rules well enough its on them.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:32
yeah thats one point
but it would be very easy to cheat unintentionally since it is very, very counterintuitive
but you are technically right, which is the best kind of right
(cheer if you catch that reference) :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:33
@FarseerVeraenthis @flakpanda and a few others and i were talking about relying on BS too much.
indeed.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:35
honestly BS is just too convenient especially with multi dex lists.
Flip through 5 books or look at the printout...
and Admech is notorious for that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:35
yup - but you need to know the rules.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:36
can't argue with that
It's just so DAMN easy to muss
*miss
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:36
and it seemed like before we started putting the rules transcriptions in the cats that was the rule - i think maybe we've pandered too much?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:37
but that pandering was one of the advantages of BS
a legally pretty dangerous one tbh, but one good reason to use it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:38
true
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:38
heck, whenever I forget to print out the list and I notice it at the table I involuntarily groan...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:38
i understand why, and im not saying i dont agree.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:39
but I know it so.. well, fuck you for sucking at rules reading :P
Now I need some engineseers for 65 saved points . Goddamnit.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:40
lmao
youre welcome thairne
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:40
I hate you. I'm short on cash right now :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:41
oh trust me i know that feeling
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 12 2017 21:41
and I still have 3 razorbacks with loads of options and 2 admech battleboxes to paint...
fuck you kromlech, fuck you GW for that limited ED boxes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 12 2017 21:45
i hear you