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31st
Jan 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 00:57
trust me, if we did there'd be much jubulance and rejoicing.
still in holding pattern
i'm planning on attempting to start on wrathful crusade tonight.
but i don't know how heavily linked the SM cat is so i'm worried it'll be a complete bitch.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 02:38
hey @Kohato
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 02:52
wtf is wrathful crusade?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 02:52
formation form FoC
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 02:52
ugh
I thought spac emarines were exempt from that bs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 02:53
origionaly i was going to put it in AS, but seeing how many of the units are sm, i'm in the process of putting it into the SM cat
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oh jesus chirst hang on
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 02:56
what is that
a picture for ANTS?!
It needs to be ...
at least 3 times bigger!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 02:57
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i've already got all the groundwork set - i'm working on the tempestus platoon right now.
fair warning, it's probably going to be a sizeable addition of code lines.
if we could cross-cat link....
i just wanted you to be aware i'm working on it.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jan 31 2017 03:04
i hate that FoC have its own catalog still sounds like the best ides
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 03:05
not for this - that's why i went with putting it into SM
can you imagine copy-pasting all that stuff from SM to a new cat?
this way i'm only copy-pasting the tempestus squad
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Jan 31 2017 03:05
i dont want to. and i know it isn’t the best idea, it just sounds like it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 06:35
@alphalas how big of an addition is it... We already have some performance issues with the SM CAT.......
And I agree, it would be best to find a different way to implement Cadia than a new CAT :+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 08:22
if jon would fix the roster conditinals we would have a way
but honestly, noone uses the new detachments outside if apocalypse.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 08:32
That's because in 8th all the points are halved, so all battles are bigger :-P (this is not true, I don't know anything about 8th I'm just poking fun)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 10:10
It's a platoon- so 2 new squad entries, a commissar, and 2 transports nested in one root selection
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 10:30
We'll have to see if the bug reports increase when people try to add 5 SM detachments to a single list... :wink2:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 10:38
That's not really our problem, though way I see it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 10:44
Hmmmm... Really we have a responsibility to ensure our code is as quick as possible so the performance is as good as possible on all devices, if a lot of people start having trouble with the SM CAT they might stop using Battlescribe or sending a billion bug reports and we'll have to see if there is any way we can improve performance
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 10:47
Which would potentially mean rewriting the cat - I'm not sure how much more can be streamlined
I know with GK/all the AMs there's a lot of streamlining that can be done - but then you run into the streamline vs visual appearance and collapsibility
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 10:55
Yeah, with the SW condensing I had to sacrifice a lot of ease of use.
But I fear with the very complex factions (SM, CSM) there's only so much you can do.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 10:59
That's my point
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 11:01
And I'm agreeing, I'm merely pointing out that we might be approaching the tipping point of the SM CAT where we'll be forced to streamline it...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 11:03
God for @Kohato's sake I hope not
Here's a perfect example of streamlined vs EoU - compare the GK term squad in GK vs the GK term squad in inq
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 11:07
Yah, me too, that SM CAT is "complicated" mainly by the amount of FW stuff in it, but also all the different chapter tactics and so on...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:20
having a modifier to set default entries in SEG would remove the line count drastically also
*reduce
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:22
Yea, if that's the case, I will be handing over the reins entirely to someone. I no longer have the time or patience to rewrite that thing ... again ...
Also - keep in mind if you want to split SM into chapter specific CATs
each one will need to have FW options
all of them
FW options are the real kicker in that file causing the bulk
In fact, chapter specific will do very little to help, since for the most part, chapter choice is 1 shared group that doesn't change all that much
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:25
Hm so if FW Options are the issue - what exactly is the problem?
Just the sheer number of options, modifiers and conditionals?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:25
Aye.
It's just so much all combined
I've wanted for a long long time to take FW out and use the non existant cross cat linking to include the options
but not near as bad
SM would still be bulky
And since we have to use show/hide FW with that number of options - every single one has hide conditionals
which slows down further
if we didn't use that, the choice list would be unwieldy as fuck
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:27
damned if you do, damned if you don't
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:27
Yeppers.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:27
Well, let's hope it doesn't come to that :+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:27
so - nothing to be done. Happy times, no worries!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:28
Uhuh, so far so quiet
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:28
So for cadia - my vote is still, add an option to "No Force Org Slot" that lists the bonuses and requirements of cadia detachments
And let people use unbound
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:28
the point will come sooner or later. FW will add more stuff to every cat.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:28
Relics are still a bit of an issue with SM, but that's much easier to implement than those damned formations and detachments
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:29
I agree, the only difference between that method and cross cat linking is the validation
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:29
you think.
Then some condition like "show if equal to 1 selection roster" breaks due to BS and you're effed again
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:29
Then fuck it, add it to GST and add ANOTHER rule to each - only selectable with these people
This book is simply not implementable with BS in it's current state, full stop.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:30
I'd understand if Jon is quite burned out after 2.0, but we need those bugs ironed out
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:30
If Jon fixes bugs, then sure, it's workable
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:30
it WOULD be if everything WORKED
can't do better with a flawed tool though
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:31
I just want more and more a database model.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:31
and you just know as well as I do that this won't happen
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:31
1 database for each cat, tables for entry type
Oh I could have fun with that kind of model.
Hey
Shush
I can dream damnit.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:33
Oh @GenWilhelm
Don't you know, nobody READS codex books
they just want it all
As handy as it is, BS has ruined some people in this hobby
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 13:34
yeah I always get the urge to tell people to read their codex when that type of stuff gets reported
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:35
Eh, do it.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:35
or they don't find the option for TDA on a company master.
CLICK THE THING!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:35
1) They should, 2) You're not their mother, who says you have to play nice with idiots.
"How do I do death guard, there's no option"
Cartag knows my SM pain :p
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:36
well I for one didnt have idiots ask how to war convocation :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:36
Hehehe!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:36
the rules disclaimer seems to have worked
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 13:38
Not sure how many people use it but I've only had 1 person ask how to use siege of vraks in the R&H list
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:39
I think we overestimate the IQ of the average user
and also overestimate the number of users that use the more obscure detachments and 'dexes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 13:40
Eh, there's a difference between being stupid and not being tech savvy
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:41
you don't have to be tech savvy to just try clicking a different bit...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:42
true, but since ppl stare at their phones all day I think using BS is not considered an 1337 skill
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:42
anyway, 3,000 closed issues on Github!! :palm_tree:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 13:42
how many of those were actual issues?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:43
erm... somewhere between not all of them and most?
I think #3338 answers your question exactly...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:46
Oh yeah. That one. That one caused a :rolleye: even for me and I'm pretty uppity tighty about my stuff already...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 13:46
I dont get it. Is it just a weapon that nobody bothers using?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:47
its a bit different
the galvanic caster is the standard weapon for the peltasts including the sergeant
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:47
who or what are pelstats and what is a galvanic caster??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:48
but I didn't include it with the sarge since the squad always has at least 4 instances of the weapon and didn't want to add it to the ranged weapons list
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 13:48
I know I'm a late return to the spaceman conversation party again – but what if we just stop supporting show hide for fw and just had it all show all the time?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:48
FW Securatii
basically titan guard Skitarii with kick ass ranged weapons
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:49
@alphalas Yea, I don't advise that, nor would I implement it.
Showing FW almost doubles the list of choices
in basic unit selection, not to mention things like Legacies
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 13:49
and it's probably used by about 1% of people
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:49
In a smaller cat like Necrons where you have 3 FW choices, there's no reason to hide them.
In SM where it doubles the choice size and a small % of people actually use them, they should have a toggle.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:51
(I actually never heard of a Pelstat or a galvanic caster...)
FW
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:52

experimental FW rules
Peltasts and Hoplites

Look them up, the peltasts are fantastic swiss army knife skitarii
a weapon mode for everything

salvo with shred, ignore cover or Ap3 - choose one
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:52
Oh, and the ignores cover is a small blast that ignores LOS
unless they're in a building
because FW.
a squad of 10 can fire 10 of those.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:53
S3 AP5 tho and small blasts suck donkey balls
probably the least effective shot, but the sheer versality of those things...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:54
Yea
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 13:54
righto...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:54
I maintain that 99% of FW is balanced only against FW
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:54
you pay marine prices for S and T of 3 tho with a 4+ save
nah
they are very expensive for the durability
glas cannons
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:55
It is good they're elite slots at least
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 13:56
Fill up all your skitarii CADs with them! /s
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:57
not at FW prices you won't
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:57
Skitarii Maniple, they gain cursader and scout :P
*cough recast
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:57
haha
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:57
its just a arm and head kit anyway
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:57
Yea that's true
those kits aren't terrible from FW
terribly priced I mean
Their Sigmar models are actually well-priced too
I'm having a Mourngul shipped from them for 55$ to the US
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:58
I actually ordered some in November from Miranda Irene.. my 2nd recast ever.
Still didn't get it. I think I should level a question..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:58
That's my hesitency on yoyhammer. The time it takes is insane.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:59
my backlog is so huge that I really don't care :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 13:59
Haha, fair
My sigmar backlog is embarassing
and I don't even mean painting.
just freaking assembling
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 13:59
3 razorbacks and 2 AdMech Battleboxes (that's what, 2 Striders, 4 Kastelan & 2 Datasmiths, 10 priests, 6 Kataphrons), Cawl, an entire Betrayal at Calth Box...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:00
Yea you have a bit to go
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:00
at least the bacls and 1 battlebox is assembled and primed!
*backs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:01

I have:

1.5 Sylvaneth Battleforce boxes (which has a big tree dude each, a small tree dude, 10 smaller tree dudes, and 3 medium tree dudes each), 3 Death Start Collecting (1 big dude each, 5 medium dudes each, and 10 small dudes each), 1 small death dudes box, an Imperial Bastion, 2 Blood Angel Strike Force boxes, 2 Scout boxes, 1 Baneblade, 1 Russ, Aleriel (Big Sigmar model),

  • more death stuff on the way lol
*Plus
because "+" makes a dot

justgitterthing

... motherfucker.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 14:03
Lmao
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:03
Mind, half of it is a buddies, I assemble for him.
but still - I consider it my backlog
Oh yea, and the triumvirate
Because I'm running Cawl Baneblade shenanigans.
effective list? That's questionable. Fun to field 7 russes, 2 manticores, and a baneblade, including pasknisher and cawl? Hell yes.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:13
sounds pretty nasty
and those peltasts are still a bit mean... they have smoke grenades for squads...
but yes, not too hard and don't hit too hard - the problem being, if you make your enemy roll more dice, they will fail more tests...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:14
My list would get wrecked by haywire DE or Skitarii, or Necron Spam, or SM Melta deep strike fun
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:20
SHV are strangely vulnerable to haywire
GMC are strangely vulnerable to.... to....ah.... D-weapons? I guess?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:25
Only the WK
Stormsurge is vulnerable to fuck all
because T6 3+ armor
but damned if it doesn't have guns out the ass
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:25
and an auto-FNP and immune to poison USR
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:25
GMC are vulnerable to fleshbane though
Fleshbane will wreck shit on a GMC
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:26
not a commen USR tho
*common
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:26
oh no, not at all
Haywire didn't really used to be either
was really just 1 grenade for tau squads, then DE.
Then skitarii said hi.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:28

and cult mech.

still, MC vs vehicle is something that needs fixing ASAP.

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 14:28
oh man, EMP grenades were hilarious back when I played tau. nobody expect you to charge their vehicles with your fire warriors :D
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:28
Tau Firewarriors killing a Dreadnought in CC. Ridiculous.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:29
Haha
My favorite moment in 40k was when I first started
and I never realized how hopelessly flawed my thinking was
I chucked a krak grenade from a BA tactical squad into a heldrake.
It hit. It wounded. It exploded.
I shoved a grenade up a heldrakes tailpipe as it flew over. That tactical squad was a unit of gods from thereon in.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 14:31
haha, i love that you can throw grenades at flyers
i wonder if theres anyway to give a grenade skyfire :thinking:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:31
Mysterious objective 3.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 14:31
challenge accepted
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:31
no, I mean, 3 gives skyfire.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 14:32
yeah, the skyfire nexus
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:32
yep :)
Go go krak grenade skyfire chucks.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:35
memento morispex
or whatever that thing is called
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 14:35
cult mech, i'm guessing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:36
Cawl
relic
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:48
erm... are you sure you can throw grenades at flyers...??
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:49
si.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:49
why not? Shooting attack, no blast?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:49
the squad can use 1 grenade as a shooting attack
Krak is not a blast.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:49
oh and on the haywire front, don't forget harlequins
I thought I read it somewhere... tbh my Deathwatch were purged HARD by some Genestealer Cult last night so I'm not sure I'm thinking clearly today...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:50
fliers can't be shot at by blast weapons at all, guess you're confusing that one
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 14:51
As long as you're in range on the hull. 8" range means you have to be very close to the base.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:51
Helldrakes like to vector strike
so that's hardly an issue :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:52
heldrakes also like to torrent flame your arses, especially if you're a marine witha Krak Grenade
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:52
I've never repeated the feat
was just my favorite moment when I first started playing
little 14 point guy took down a helldrake
on his own
He was a badass
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:52
give that guy a special marking decal
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:53
Oh he died the next game
Red Thirst will do that to you (this was from their 6th ed codex)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:53
I still hate that sole surviving cultist that killed my sole surviving deathwing terminator sergeant in overwatch.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:53
(Back when red thirst was awesome)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:53
6 - 6 - 1 - WHAT
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:53
hahaha
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:54
or that Assault Sergeant with a Combat Shield that survived the charge of my Callidus and killed her in the next turn. I've never seen that amount of pure luck again.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:55
I tend to have over statistical luck in my rolls, so I know how that is.
That's why I favor tesla in my necrons.
Because 5 shots turning into 10 is good fun
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:55
yah, last night I learned that just because people on the internet seem to think that overwatch threat will either prevent people charging you or definitely kill anything charging you - they're not necessarilycorrect...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:55
I guess I'd hate you in a game
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:55
you can still roll three ones for you 2+ to wound rolls :-(
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:56
Probably Thairne. My necrons are more resilient than most.
Even without a decurion, I make a decent number of 5+
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 14:56
have you ever charged a unit of wraithguard, @FarseerVeraenthis ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:56
Oh god, why would you do that.
Hahaha, now D&D is a different story
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:57
the principle still applies
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:57
I have wildly polarizing luck in d&d
I use a set of cthulu dice that have mood swings
sometimes I die to mason jars.
sometimes I crit for days
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 14:57
driving you mad, eh? :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:58
No, I normally PLAY elder, not assault them, and my army doesn't norammly get close enough for that... but now my Deathwatch always seem to be in combat somewhere down the line...
but yes, my dice hate me
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:58
Not shitting you about mason jars either. D20 Modern. Shelf of jars tipped over when I was looting a room. Failed to dodge. Failed my death saves each time after.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:58
although, when my opponent borrowed them last night the only ones that didn't hit were mine...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:59
Oh no, don't let people barrow dice.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:59
that is nasty stuff
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:59
That's a sure way to get them to never work for you again.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:59
and I don't usually
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 14:59
They have feelings. and they do feel betrayal.
And damn do they hold grudges.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 14:59
I thought, they've been bad enough, surely they can't get any worse... (rolls three 1 for 2+ wounds)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:00
@kohato and people wonder how the heck admech can believe in machine spirits.... :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 15:00
I'm a Necron man. I know what their machine god actually is.
And they are right to be scared.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:01
you ASSUME to know ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 15:01
Oh it is. And it's the only one that wasn't sharded.
Well, that and the outsider
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:01
quotation please :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 15:01
who may or may not be the cause of the nids.
"Oh it is. And it's the only one that wasn't sharded." - Earl.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:01
outsider? I rather think it's the old ones in their desperation
that explaines why the nids got triggered by the pharos
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 15:02
Yea, I doubt the outside is the cause of it, just something I heard a while ago
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:02
old one tech
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 15:02
But damn do I want a void dragon model.
Necron GMC, an actual unsharded c'tan
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 15:02
Indeed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:02
and LoW fpr Cult Mech
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 15:03
Yea, usable for both easily.
I'd love a proper profile for the Burning one too, and a transcendent c'tan shard model so I can use the burning one model as the actual burning one ...
(I love star eating space vampires)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 15:05
can Deathwatch have some variant librarians and chaplains...please...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:05
No.
Because fuck you, that's why! :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 15:05
Later. Imperium has had it's 2 years of releases.
Time for trazyn to have some fun
and nids. damn do nids need something
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 15:06
I'd love DW be able to jump pack or termi arm chaplains
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:09
yeah nids seem to need help, as do orks
I'd love some DA supplement however. Only dex without anything.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 15:17
aha, there is still a third Gathering Storm book to come...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 15:17
Good.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 15:17
maybe the Fallen will come back and take out Chaos while proving that Luther was right an it was Lion who was the traitor...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 15:17
I need to know what happens after CAdia!
Since Gathering Storm 2 runs parallel to 1
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 15:17
(I need to READ Cadia first...)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:26
If you read the HH it is pretty goddamn clear who is a traitor and who is not. Hint: its not the Lion ;)
I get the impression that they want the Lion to be an opposite Russ - Russ was loyal to the Emperor (for the Allfather!) whereas The Lion was loyal to the Imperium or rather the IDEA if the Imperium and not the person itself (which fits his autistic notion)
also, El Johnson HATES treachery, disloyality and disobedience.
he calls his lieutnants "little brother" and asks their advice and argues with them, even if they argue against him - but the second you refuse a order he'll kick your butt (or remove your head from your body... poor Nemiel)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 15:40
You know it's sad when I realize that this hobby is the cheaper all my hobbies.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 15:41
what else do you do? Collect golden cars? Keep a harem of Arabian princesses?
(if the latter, might I inquire on the opportunity of... sharing?)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 15:54
I build cars; so like I'm getting ready to start a new project where I'm taking a 94 Caprice wagon putting a vette motor and trans in it, putting the all-wheel-drive from an Astro in it and then turbocharging the whole damn thing.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 16:04
Oh cars!! I used to do that, now I don't have time/money/space for it... (house, wife, kid, insert excuse here)
and @Thairne I know, I love Dark Angels, I was just being silly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 16:06
Yeah I have all the above two but thankfully my girlfriends understanding is enough that she understands that cars are one of my many passions.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 16:06
I also seriously need to catch up with HH, I have about the first 10 books to read - my little bro passed them on :+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 16:08
That and she also understands just how badass this car is going to be when it's done.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 16:09
it sure sounds pretty serious that's for sure!! (looks up Capric Wagons on tinternet
)
please tell me it will have about a billion HP and will be able to do wheelies...
oh, 4WD
Auto or manual??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 16:20
Manual
6spd
400hp is target
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 16:28
:+1: :+1: :+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 16:28
Out of a 5.7 350 LT1 it shouldn't be hard
And yes I know that is were Europeans usually lose me because they got all googly eyed over the amount of displacement that is
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 31 2017 16:32
What's displacement?
In this context, of course.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 16:35
the volume of the engine cylinders, I believe
in which case, 5.7 l is absolutely enormous
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 31 2017 16:41
Oh, that's truly fuel-swallowing monster :D But I love me some bigger kick. Unfortunately right now all I can use is a very classic and old-school Polonez. Which has an astounding 1.6L engine :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 16:44
That's the simple explanation - in my experience Europeans measure in liter or cc, Americans measure in cubic inches. Why Europeans usually go googly eyed over such high capacity is usually European vehicles have taxes based on the literage - anything over 2 L is considered a high-performance engine and is heavily taxed.
Here in the us, a 2l is a small engine lol
My dad had a 65 impala with a 454 cubic inch motor - I think that's 7.4l? I know 400 is 6.6l
Anyway, enough of me blabbering about cars.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 31 2017 16:46
That plus in EU we have a really high tax on all kinds of fuel. Which makes it really expensive to drive, sadly.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 16:46
Yeah - I hear that.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Jan 31 2017 16:47
do you guys run your engines at really low rpm, or do you just jettison the burning fuel straight out the back? :P
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Jan 31 2017 16:48
^^ low rpm is no fun, soooo
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 16:49
Well, in the US because fuel is so much cheaper and "there's no replacement for displacement" most engines are mighty torque rich low rev thumpers, whereas I'm Europe it's all about specific capacity - I.e. My wife's car is a 1.4 turbo with 150 bhp...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 17:23
^this
My LT1 red lines at about 8000 RPM so yeah real low revving comparatively
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 17:37
260hp at 5000rpm, 450Nm at 2500rpm
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 17:47
That's a pretty good redline if you ask me, although I imagine that's a built motor... My car redlines at about 7,250 stock... (I have a GT86)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 17:51
It runs out of oomph at just past 5k l
I actually stand corrected, 6k is the redline
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 17:52
Hehehe! That's more what I was expecting!! :-)
I'll be honest, the damn thing doesn't have a tach so I never know just how fast it's spinning
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 18:07
That's a nice smooth power curve, and with that torque curve I'm sure it doesn't really matter where you are in the Rev range...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 18:17
lol nope
That's the donor motor
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Jan 31 2017 19:42
Not
Not bad :-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Jan 31 2017 21:46
Yes. Yes I see. Asmodai would like a talk with you, FarseerVeranthis. He didn't get a Black Pearl for quite some time...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 22:56
you know what would be great? being able to multi-select in the data editor
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Jan 31 2017 23:09
Lol
So would a lotto win
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 23:09
yeah really
and seeing how quick jon's getting to the big super-huge bug.....
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Jan 31 2017 23:39
good news is streamlined tempestus squad is almost done - just need to finish chimera and taurox prime.
then i can copy-paste to SM and commit.
hey @Kohato what's the trigger for show/hide FW?
in SM i mean.