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3rd
Feb 2017
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Feb 03 2017 01:12
Nice paintjobs, both of you! @FarseerVeraenthis I feel you, I got the old school Guardians to paint with the mesh armour, such a pain!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 03:54
I love how the blackstar looks
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 08:32
Thanks, and yes, still plenty of work to go yet :-)
I love the Blackstar too, complete nonsense as a "real" aircraft but perfect as a sci-fi machine!!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 10:44
Yeah - our lord and savior Duncan's painting tutorial helps a lot with painting it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 11:35
I'll have to check that out once I get these dudes done and get it built... #thinyourpaints
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 12:32
Bobby G is on the way https://imgur.com/mJvgwWp.jpg
And is that cypher to the left?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 12:48
That was unexpected
I figured book three was abbadon
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 03 2017 12:58
Good to know matt ward is back writing the lore. we can finally get our one true chapter /s
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 12:59
Eh, it has been a good while since the blueberries got any sort of release.
I'll give them this one as long as I get a necron supplement sometime.
I want more trazyn
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 03 2017 13:00
Still no Slamanders-Necron detachment from FoC? :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 13:00
Another tau suplement would be cool but I really want more necron story
Oh god that'd be great
There really shoudl've been rules to allow greyfax, the salamanders, and he legio custodes to be in an army with trazy
(How trazyn got his hands on a legio custodes is still baffling and intriguing given they never leave terra)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 03 2017 13:01
Must have enlisted the help of the blood ravens
they know how to steal anything
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 13:02
haha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 13:27
Lmao
Fucking magpies
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 14:10
That is cypher.
Cypher scares me.
salvation or damnation.... who knows?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 15:55
Who's the guy to bobby's right
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 15:55
the GK libby?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 15:55
Is that the numeral for the lost 2nd legion on his mace?
In black armor
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 15:56
to the left? that's cypher.
wait, fuck! those DA all have black armor.
fallen.
badass.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 15:57
Oh I thought the hooded dude was cypher
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 15:58
wait, now i'm confused.
cypher is the one holding up the plasma pistol across his chest.
the dude immediately to the other side of bobby is a GK term libby holding a hammer.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 15:59
blob
Oh ok. I didn't realize GK libbies had black armor
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 15:59
it's just really dark silver.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 15:59
ohhhhh yea
I see that now
Ok - nvm. I wonder who the 3rd triumvirate model will be
Bobby G, Cypher, and ???
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:00
the GK libby
that's a new mini.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 16:00
Ah alright
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:00
none of the gk have a hammer posed or detailed like that.
those =I='s are awesome, though.
i'm digging that those DA are all mkIV fallen, though.
notice that, @Thairne ?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 16:03
yep
they were heresy armour and use the 30k colour scheme
definately Fallen, rallying behind their leader.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:04
i wonder...
Imperium secundus redux?
because rumor was a loyalist turning traitor...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 16:04
well firstly
if it is DA turning traitor, I have an army to sell off
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:05
and, well, the imperium aint what it was when gulliman was put away.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 16:05
secondly... would rowboat to the entire thing again after he failed his father once already?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:05
what if Gulliman is pulling a soul drinkers?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 16:05
rather a fist exemplar
soul drinkers is a good one too
but ultramarines going heretics? That would be... uh... ah... rather... big
but there was also a rumor of traitor going loyalist
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:07
and would shake the imperium to the core - i could see it.
that's easy - alpharius.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 16:08
eye of Ultramar
nah that would be TOO obvious
what about space wolves going traitor?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:08
AFAIK he's the only one NOT a Deamopn prince.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 16:08
point taken
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:08
because everyone thinks he's dead.
i don't know - even if they did after the burning of fenris there's not enough of them to matter.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 16:11
Then nighthaunter is in the running for going loyalist. It'll be Alpharius though.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:12
night haunter is dead.
granted that calidus killing him was super-convenient, but then again it's an apocalypse now refrence so that'll probably stay.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 16:15
Unless they change it and the Loko like lion locked him in the rock and did something else.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:16
that seems less likely to me.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 16:16
Horus is dead but they still cloned him
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:16
and abbaddon killed all the clones.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 16:24
They made an opening for Ferrus to return (in a different form but still an opening) They could write something in for the other dead guys.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 16:50
oooh, custodes event only model
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 16:50
Valdor?
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 16:56
A custodes Centurion of some kind
I'll stop now as it's 30k stuff feeding the hype train.
Bobby's got the emprah's sword and Cypher is lugging around the Lion's blade.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 03 2017 19:18
Cypher always had the lion blade, but he never unsheathes it, that's his MO
but damn, now that you say papa has the emperors sword it looks just like the famous artwork
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 19:25
The pic with the empire with the sword hung real low?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 03 2017 19:26
Yeah, with horus and sanguinius
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 19:31
Didn't the fluff suggest that during the heresy row boat was trying to build his own empire in the ultrama system...? Perhaps he's finally going to duff the emprah and take over everything...?! He does look a little demon Prince ish...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 19:35
That's what I was referring to when I said imperium secundus redux
See also soul drinkers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 19:59
Confirmed emperors sword. Another community article goes through the entire leaked page
His armor is new too, Cawl made it after he fell in battle
I guess bobby and Cawl were buds back before Cawl became a spider monkey robot
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 20:28
I figured as much, I was just checking :-) and yes, I'll have to read the article, where has rowboat been all these years??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 20:28
in stasis
because fulgrim nearly killed him with the anathame
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 20:29
Fulgrim #musttryharder
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 20:29
if you'd've read the ultramarine books, you'd know that he's been in a bacta tank in the midle of the fortress of hera.
half of ultramar makes the pilgrimage to go see him.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 20:30
yeah, I know some of that, just not in exacting detail... I'm a little behind with my fluff...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 20:31
(im busting on you, btw.)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 20:32
:-P
it's cool, it's ace fluff I've just not made time to read it all, let alone memorise all of it :-P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 20:36
i have a almost photographic memory when i read stuff.
word of mouth, though, my memory is shit.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 20:40
lol yes.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 20:41
Conversions and he's not even out yet
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 20:41
thats a shop, dude.
look at the seal on his left leg.
its a very quickly done, crappy shop.
i'm making progress... kinda...
blob
damnit zopha making me put HH stuff into 40k chat
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 20:53
Lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 20:56
i was just going to say... wtf are you working on?!
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 20:57
A nightmare from the warp.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 21:00
transferred stuff from gst to the CAL cat.
validation nightmare.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 21:04
I can see...
thats what it was when i started
it'd be great if i could save what i've fixed so far...
but nope, no save till its done.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 21:07
no sleep 'til Brooklyn
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:07
well
if this rumour is true... I have an army to throw away.

FURTHERMORE, Cypher is indeed loyal, stands before the Inner Council of the entire DA Legion, reveals something of importance which leads to the dividing of the Legion of the Unforgiven: Those who believe Cypher (mostly those who are not involved in the chapters truth) will paint their armors black (potentially lead by Azrael), while those of the Inner Circle become renegades or whatever and will be lead by Asmodai.

When the Lion returns, he's got a splintered Legion AND THEN!!!! we will see how he will decide.

I will NOT repaint my entire army black.
I will NOT play traitors.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 03 2017 22:08
So the legion splits again?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:08
if this is true.
But it would alienate every loyalist player
if they'D switch around, the loyalist stay with their colour and the renegades go black....
that way I'd be HAPPY because I can firmly claim to play loyalists whereas the Fallen, which were black anyway, can keep their scheme
that switcheroo is terrible for everyone
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:10
sauce?
i got 3 da players i need to rub in their faces lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:10
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honestly, if you're about to throw several hunnit dollars and 3 years of painting onto the bin, getting it rubbed in your face would result in a fist rubbed in yours.
I'd be careful with that.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:11
oh no, i know them - they won't give a crap about the paint going back to heresy colors.
it's cypher being the loyalist that's fun.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:12
I would....
I'd be happy with that part.
But this leaves me with 2 options - play traitors or repaint everything
neither are acceptable
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:12
or pull an adam savage.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:12
what?
add more explosives?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:13
"i reject your reality and substitute my own."
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:13
yeah... but that's not how my brain works
I stick to colours and schemes pretty closely, as I do to most of the fluff that is not ambigous
I can't just ignore something major as that and stil be happy with the hobby
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:14
that's fair i guess.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:15
hmm... who is John Patton...? is he making this stuff up...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:15
I hope so
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:15
he's posting onto the WH40k page...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:15
so far this is based on some guy posting anything on a fb page
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:15
uhuh
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:15
but it is upsetting me.. greatly
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:15
which sounds a bit rubbish
and that's definitely rubbish
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:15
I really hope so
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:16
i mean, it doesnt seem to especially out there to me...
including az going loyal and asmodai going... well, wherever he's going.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:17
needs to catch up with DA fluff
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:17
i'm kinda fuzzy on newer da fluff to, simon, don't feel lonely.
all my knowlege is based on the gav books and 4e fluff.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:18
yeah that part makes sense
asmodai is... fanatical even for a fanatic
azrael is more of a pragmatist
its the colour change that irks me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:18
i hear you.
shrugs i'm the one who origionally had white sang guard, and am now painting them all black, so i mean it's meh to me, but i see your point.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:20
also I hate painting black.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:20
i don't mind it doing it duncan's way.
black base, eshin grey drybrush.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:20
drybrush?
Dunno how that looks on bikes...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:21
that's how i was powering through my DW
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:22

no way to switch out of it now, with all the models done with edge highlighting... still..

Reading through the dakkathread I started to see if anyone else got a hint
seems more and more like BS though - not Battlescribe, bullshit ^^

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:23
i got a couple pics - hang on.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 03 2017 22:25
Why are traitors black
Death company are loyal
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:26
IMG_0471.JPG
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:26
Yes... but nah :P
black because old legion colours. Old Legion allegilance. Distinction from the scrubs.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:26
IMG_0470.JPG
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:27
hm I see.. on the leg
that DOES look not to bad.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:28
and i'm a sloppy drybrusher
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:28
looks over shoulder if I ever repaint my ravenwing...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:28
hehehehehe
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:28
OR MY ENTIRE FUCKING SHELF OF MODELS
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:28
hahahaha!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:28
I might do that instead.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:28
pretty much as i learned from the ultramarine video, most of duncan's paint tutorials work if you switch out edge highlight for drybrush.
the only one it doesnt really was ba - and thats cause he actually uses a dry paint for that drybrush.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:29
@Kohato Dark Angels were originally Black, they changed to green after the break-up between Luther and the Lion
so saying "Cypher comes back, apologises and everyone's cool to go back to their original colours apart from people who don't believe him, who are now traitors and can stay green FOREVER!" put a really annoying spin on things...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:32
and with black vehicles, you do a thin doombull brown lowlight in recesses.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:34
brown over black as a shade?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:34
yeah
IMG_0472.JPG
again, i'm sloppy and went super-heavy, but at 3+ feel, you can barely tell.
feet*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:35
eeeeh... nah, I don't like that effect. Looks more like a highlight than anything else
also, devil's advocate, but going black would enable heresy play ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 03 2017 22:39
a major colour swap in a army.. 25 years old?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:39
fair.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:41
I have to decide if I want to paint my orignal (yellow) guardians black to fit in with my current Ulthwe army...
in the meantime, I'm enjoying painting my Deathwatch black, but I don't think I'd like to also paint my Dark Angels black as well...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:41
but that's a you switched craftworlds.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:41
that would be 3 black armies...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:41
that's like me and my hard swing brom BA to BT back to BA
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:42
well, the other option is just to buy new dudes and paint them from scratch instead...
and that is a pretty heavy change...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:43
which is what i ended up doing - i've sold 4 3k+ point marine armies over the years.
really wish i hadnt sold my sisters.
had a 2.5k army - but i had origonally bought it for my ex - so while it was a needed change, emotionally, in retrospect i kick myself for it.
same with my GK.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:46
yah, I can see how that would suck
I wish I'd managed to buy some sisters, but then, possibly plastics coming this year... perhaps I'll hold out for a little longer...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:47
i'm hopeful - what was the original projection - may at the earliest?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:48
something like that..
I mean, thy need to get through the remaining Gathering storm book and releases...
then I imagine there will be something for AoS perhaps??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:48
there has been.
tzeentch last week.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:49
fair point
Jan = GS 1, Feb = GS2, Mar = GS3, Apr = ???, May = SoB??
possible I suppose
perhaps it'll be SoB in Apr and then 8th in May :-P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:50
we all know there's a convent on Terra - so it's not that remote a possibility.
also possible.
or 8th with sob in may/june.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:51
perhaps SoB will be IN the 8th Ed box?!?!?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:51
thats what i mean.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:51
which would be kinda groovy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 03 2017 22:52
indeed.
i'd buy 3 copies of that.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 03 2017 22:53
hhahahaha! it's all about the three copies...
also, fyi, have you noticed that Death Masque is NLA
which means "new" Eldrad is also NLA
(direct from GeeDubs at least)
anyway, sleepy time for me :-)