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8th
Feb 2017
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:27
next level painting and the chat just named dropped battlescribe :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:28
good bad or other?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:28
they are prasing it. NLP said it is awesome
cartag
@cartag
Feb 08 2017 02:28
Awesome
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:29
isnt next level kenny bouscher?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:29
yeah
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:29
thought so.
yeah back when he and fucking whatshisfuck were still on FTN he was always talking about beating the level and leveling up in BS
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:30
ftn?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:31
as in making the most beatstick combos possible in BS
oh Forge the Nattative.
narative*
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:31
oh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:31
i still prefer FTN to The Long War
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:38
thank got my keyboard has programmable hotkeys
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:39
why?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:39
constant control-c/control-v
i'm still working on the CAL cat.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:40
CAL?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:40
Crusade army list
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:40
oh.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:40
legion Heresy cat
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:41
gotcha.
so our solution to FoC was unbound isnt it?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:42
until the wild jon reapears yes.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:42
yeah
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:42
also nobody wanted to touch it until jon reappeared, either.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 02:43
i get that. so currently we would have to do its own catalog to impliment it then
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 02:44
correct
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 04:12
Hey Alphalas. Looks like you've been busy on Imperial Agents. There are still a few little clean up items from the look of it. Mainly constraints, and defaults. I can clean them up for you, or make an error report for you. Which would you prefer?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 04:14
Make the error Rep and assign me - I'll deal with it tomorrow
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 04:14
Yeah, no hurry. I'll make a list
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 04:20
@Kohato @Thairne I got it down to 1850

coteaz
Cawl

4x scion 2x melta

2x Eradicator HF 2x plas

2x hellhound HF

Stormblade

2x min enginseer congregation

Had to swap hellhammer for stormblade but I didn't want to have to sacrifice meltas or a tank
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 04:29
Scratch that, cut 2 meltas off one squad and 1 off the other 3, drop the eradicators to HF sponsons, and I got enough points for a hellhammer w/ hf sponsons
There.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 05:06
How do Melta Scions work for you?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 05:06
Thanks @tag8833 - I'll get on it tomorrow after work
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 05:06
Mine never get within melta range when they drop
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 05:06
I love them - especially in castellans where they recycle on a 4+
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 05:07
I run one squad of flamer scions that I deep strike right where I need them, and they never scatter for some reason, but the rest are usually plasmas
4+. I thought it was a 5+.
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 05:12
I like the Hellhammer much better than the Stormblade, but that may say more about the terrain, and meta I'm used to. It seems like you could drop a hellhound to make room for it.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 05:14
I dropped a handful of meltaguns and traded plasma sponsons for HF sponsons to make points for it
I too prefer the hellhammer
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 05:15
There is something so satisfying about seeing a 2+ reroll jink become no save at all.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 05:16
Indeed
The stormblade does that too, with a 10" pieplate, but no demolisher cannon - and only 45 arc
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 05:17
Oh, I didn't realize it was ignores cover.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 05:18
God damnit I've been quoting the wrong tank again
Goddamn baneblade chassis names - stormsword not stormblade
I hate gw's baneblade naming conventions
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 05:21
This last year, most of my competitive tourney lists have had a big Mek Stompa, so I appreciate the power of S10 AP1 primary weapon blasts. But ignores cover adds a whole new dimension to it.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 05:23
Yeah - hellhammer is massive blast, stormsword is apocalyptic blast
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 05:25
At tourneys from time to time I see IG + Space Marines with space marine libby's trying to cast the ignores cover, ignores LOS power on a baneblade variant. Usually a stormlord.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 05:28
That's because tourney players seem to dislike blasts larger then 5"
Unless they're ork, then they don't care
Troy Graber
@tag8833
Feb 08 2017 05:34
My inquisition list based around itty bitty units that psychic shriek that roll around in psybolt Chimeras has been exceeding my expectations. I was one mental mistake away from taking out the #1 Skitarii player in the ITC with it, and was 1 hull point on a knight away from beating a GT winning Wulfen list.
I played a double stormsurge list, and he conceded at the top of 2 after I shrieked a Riptide and a Stormsurge, and then finished another riptide in shooting.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 07:56
Sounds vicious... In other news, @alphalas are you surprised @whiskeyjuvenile created a conflict?! He works on the master directly and seems to want to work on everything regardless of who is the main keeper of the CAT... I know that's how I started mind but at least I joined here asap...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 08:16
I work on the master too, but at least I know what I'm doing. I swear, if he fucks up my CATs I will not be pleased!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:11
What. The. Fuck.
Is GW trying to kill us?
A "CAD" that allows formations
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:12
Castellans 2: Eldar Boogaloo?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:17
Okay yeah... serious WTF right there
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:18
Ok, so It's just like sigmar
which is a very VERY interesting take.
You build the reborn warhost based on the slots available
then if you have the required units for a formation benefit
you just take it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:18
yeah that was what I got from it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:18
It's exactly like a batallion warscroll
just 0 cost
That will be VERY interesting if the new Cad in 8th is like that.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:19
My mind is melting trying to figure out how to implement that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:19
Easily
This will be a new CAT file
Formations are added via formation detachment
No CAD available (or allied)
just this 1 detachment
then as part of "No Force Org" slots
add the formation benefits
and we can hide unless units are present if we want
So nvm, this is MUCH easier than cadia
(a new cat file combining the eldar units is so so so so much lighter weight than a cadia cat would be)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:20
is cadia not the same without the formation benefits part?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:21
Cadia would be the same except there are so many codexes available, we'd be at a gigantic file due to FW
Legacies of Glory, all the various artefacts
all of the space marine chapters and artefacts
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:21
I thought the detachment gave a specific list of units to pick from?
oh nvm, i get what you mean
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:21
It does, but each of those units can take their normal upgrades
so we'd need to include them
with Biel Tan, you have Eldar, DE, and Harlequins
That's a tiny bit compared to the ones we'd need for cadia
and since this is actually a new faction
we don't even need the original warlord traits (artifacts are still up in the air, not many pages are out leaked yet)
http://imgur.com/gallery/ovnIQ - this is the whole gallary
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:23
aeldari is new faction?!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:23
ok yea, original artefacts
eh, yes and no I guess
this detachment has it's own warlord trait table
and possibly it's own artefact table
and you lose Eldar/DE/Harly benefits by taking it
So ... kind of. Think of it as a new faction like Eldar Corsairs are a new faction
but, most important of all
WK.
Is now available to a single detachment of DE.
-.- I suddenly don't like these.
"Ulthwe strike force" detachment
1-4 Elites.
Units available to them - Black Guardian Windriders.
It is now battleforged to simply spam windriders and only windriders
And if you have 4 units - you roll to arrive from deep strike on turn 1
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:28
are BG windriders any good? I dont see them in here
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:29
They're just regular windriders
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:30
but in the elites slot?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:31
Yea, they probably get another rule or more stats
but the kit is advertised as having Scat Lasers
so, yea
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:32
oh they probably have the "webway assault" rule
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:32
Ohh yea that makes sense
But yea - This will be an easy cat to do I think compared to Cadia
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:33
Only problem I foresee is the validation on the formations
unless we give up on fully validating it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:34
Easy enough
Hide unless X is present.
Each formation will have 2 entries. One with the units - marked as a formation for a regular formation detachment
and 1 with just the rules
marked as No FOC slot
set that one to hide unless the required units are in the force.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:35
but the problem I see is units that are used in more than one formation
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:35
That's the thing
this detachment allows overlap
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:35
it does?!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:36
If i'm reading that right, yes.
blob
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:36
so if i take 4 units of aspect warriors, thats 4 aspect hosts, so they each get +3BS?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:37
Hmm, good point
Ok maybe they only allow overlap for the Army List Entry and detachment
not overlap between detachments
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:38
thats what I was about to say
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:38
ok, ok , we're still in a better spot than cadia
do what I said before, but instead of hiding, we can increment the number allowed based on a combination of units in force.
Aspect Host - Increase max by 1 for every 3 units of Swooping Hawks or shining spears or etc
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:40
problem is you can mix and match
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:40
That still wouldn't stop overlap from other detachments
Ok, easiest solution - don't validate.
We hide unless the required units are present, that's it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 13:41
yeah, otherwise its a nightmare
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:41
and we can put a "Requirements" rule in each stating the needed units
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 13:41
@Kohato completely off the current topic but did you see that fixed my mega list to be 1850?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:41
that's as much validation as we need
Oh yea?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 13:42
Actually sounds like a reasonable solution
Yeah I had to drop a couple meltdowns of the time passages – but still have the 2 Hellhound and hellhammer
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:43
How are you getting Coatez and 1 troop?
Cawl and Scions as Alied?
List looks really nice, just curious
in personal preference of baneblade hulls, I always prefer the shadowsword. D strength volcano cannon :smile:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 13:45
It's a castellans detachment so four troops two HQ's cawl and Coteaz
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:46
Ohhhhh that's 4 scions units
not a unit of 4 scions
Well that makes complete sense ... a unit of 4 scions is silly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 13:46
Strength 10 ap1 7 inch large blast ignores cover gets shit done now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:46
Oh yea, that shit is sexy
I like the list
Run the engiseers behind the baneblade
always
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 13:47
that's the plan – plus there are the two eradicators running around too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:47
If you ever run a baneblade varient that is a transport
you stick them inside
and laugh the day away
as you get 2 repair rolls that the enemy can't stop
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 13:48
The point of this list is fuck your cover.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:50
It's like tau
but with tanks
I love it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 13:55
Well I am also a towel player so it makes sense that I made a list that's this dumb
Tau*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 13:56

My tank list is similar.

2 Engiseer Congregations, each with 3 servitors in a unit for the delicious 2+ repair
1 CAD: Cawl and 2 units of veterans and a Shadowsword
Emperor's Fist Armored Company: Pask Punisher, 4 Battle Tanks (all with Camo Netting), 1 Engiseer w/ 1 Servitor

1850 exactly

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 14:15
Is this the part where I submit an anon report linking to the leaks?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:15
Yes.
I fully expect one from totally not @Thairne at some point today.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 14:16
add a bug report for allied detachment not having Knights!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:16
Oh yea, if you could combine that into a single anon report
that'd be great
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 14:16
what? No. That would be silly.
Totally.
closes issue reporting window
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 14:19
Lmao
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:22
I'm a bit bored and don't want to look at space marines
So i'm putting together the Ynnari codex cad.
*CAT.
I'll upload when I have the first draft ready
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 14:25
I was tempted to start on that but I thought the eldar guys might want to do it :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:46
I just grabbed the eldar cat as a template and am stripping out un-needed things :p
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 14:47
There are new unit is there? Black "X". Interesting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:47
Yea, There' ynnari versions of the base units
no idea on what stat changes they'll have but the windriders are elites vs troops now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 14:47
yeah Black Guardians have windriders, warwalkers and vypers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:48
What do you think for a name of the cat, Ynnari Eldar or Aeldari Ynnari or somthing else?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 14:49
the faction is called Ynnari, so I would just call it that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 14:49
Fucking y
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:49
Ynnari it is
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 14:51
An ynnari cad... Super eldar....
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:52
"Yi-Nar-Ree?" or "ee-nar-ree"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 14:54
In-are-ee is how I've been saying it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 14:54
In my head its always had a hard Y, but now I'm not sure
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 14:54
*in-nar-ee
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:55
Yay alien pronounciation
I'm so glad everyone but the tyrannids knows High Gothic.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 14:56
yeah, lets just write the cat in eldar runes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:56
haha
that would be great
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 14:57
Lol, go ahead @GenWilhelm
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 14:57
give me a font file, I'll totally do it
"Ih-nee-ad" "Ee-vray-n"
thats how those are said
and yep, in-are-ee
good call @flakpanda
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:00
what's the "Ee-vray-n"?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:01
Yvraine
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:01
oh right. derp
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:01
I was watching the GW video on her, that's how they say Yvraine, Ynnead, and Ynnari
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:01
In-need is ynnead
Wait, they pronounce the y "EE"?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:02
only for Yvraine, yea
it's odd
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:02
Oh
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:02
That is odd
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 15:02
Didn't the Inquisition War books have Eldar pronounced like Irish? :p Unless that's not cannon anymore :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:03
Huh, Bayl-tan
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:03
Ee-vrain?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:03
not Beel-tan
interesting
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:04
Ei = long a in English
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:04
Right, it's spelled Biel
That's why I always did Beel-tan :p
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:05
Oh yeah... Idk y I thought it was ei
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 15:06
Well Saim Hann obviously comes from Sam Hain....
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:07
Damn Google.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:07
I always thought it was from the galic harvest festival
Which oddly enough is pronounced Sahween ....
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:08
Pronounced saah-win or sah ween
Maybe we need and Irishman to figure out the eldar shit, lol
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 15:08
That's basically halloween
http://www.abair.tcd.ie/?lang=eng for some shitty-ish synthesised words.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:15
It doesn'tk now how to say asshole.
I'm sad now
though it says donkey-brained pretty well
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:18
See, I read that a little differently, in that you could have an archon (HQ), two units of kabalite warriors (required Troops) and an entirely separate Craftworld eldar battlehost that doesn't use any force org slots... So you could then have another four troops choices...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:18
I really wish the bug that freezes the right hand pane in BS would be fixed.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:19
You could Simon
but that'd just be a formation detachment
from the Ynnari army
if you want it in the main cad it counts as both a formation and a detachment unit, meaning it takes up detachment slots
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:19
(stupid gitter, just caught up with rest or thread)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:20
It it's actually an indication of how 8th is going to be - it's a very elegant way to transition to Battallion style formations.
where you just get the benefits if you have the required units
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:23
What I mean is, 3 squads of aspect warriors wouldn't use up your elite slots, because that would be a aspect host formation...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:23
But if it didn't use up the elites slot, then how would it also be a part of the Detachment
It would only be a part of the formation then.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:24
Because the wording is not good on that tiny difficult to read entirely screen shot...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:25

The Reborn Warhost is a special Type of Detachment that can be included in any Battle-forged army. Unlike the Detachments shown in Warhammer 40,000: the Rules, it has a Force Organisation chart whose slots are a combination of Battlefield Roles and Formations from multiple Factions. However, it still has compulsory and optional elements, as well as Restrictions and Command Benefits, just like any other Detachment.

Although units cannot normally belong to more than one Detachment, units from a Formation that is a part of a Reborn Warhost are an exception. They count as part of both their Formation and the Detachment, and have all associated Command Benefits and special rules. If your Warlord is a part of a Formation or an Army List Entry that makes up part of a Reborn Warhost, that entire Reborn Warhost is your Primary Detachment.

I transcribed it :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:28
Right, exactly, so the restrictions don't match with the army list, because on one hand they say as many formations as you like, and all formations are part of the detachment and benefit from the same rules, but there is no slot for them on the army list...
(and thank you)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:28
I took it in the same context as a normal decurion whose listed formations also count toward the detachment requirements as well as being a formation
Whereas a normal decurion uses a Core, Command, or Aux Choice, this detachment uses the basic unit slots. The formation can be taken, but the units still count toward the requirements in the detachment.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:29
so the formation count towards the CAD restriction?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:29
Yea Flak, That's how I see it at least.
So an Aspect Host is a valid formation choice.
an aspect host of 3 Swooping Hawks would take up 3 Fast Attack slots.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:30
The problem there is that if you take a Warhost you've basically got no slots left...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:30
How is that a problem?
As long as all of the formations are able to be taken alone in this detachment, it's all legal.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:31
I am thinking the opposite, because thats not how it is worded.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:31
yea?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:31
You mean the batttlehost? warhost is a detchment, not a formation
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:31
All it is stating is the formation also belongs to the detachment
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:31
Yes, battlehost sorry
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:32
not that any formation counts towards the cumpolsitory at all
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:32
But still means there wouldn't be space for much else...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:32
If it is a part of the detachment, it adheres to the requirements.
A swooping hawk is a fast attack if it's taken in a cad or a formation
that never changes.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:33
battlehost is what, 1 hq, 3 troops, 1 fa, 1 hs?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:33
If a swooping hawk is a part of an Aspect Host taken in a Reborn Warhost, it counts as part of the Aspect Host and as part of the Reborn Warhost
Right?
If that's the case, that swooping hawk, a fast attack, counts as part of the reborn warhost and it's compulsory/optional choices.
If formations removed the Army List Entry type then I'd agree, formations would be an unlimited "addon" to the Reborn Warhost
but the army list entry type is there regardless of where the unit is placed.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:35
But that's how it is written... The slots are listed, then it says "and any formation"
It doesn't say "you benefit from any formation rules you happen to meet the criteria for"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:36
but what kohato is saying is the units in those formations also count towards the other restrictions
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:36
That's what I'm disagreeing with...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:37
No simon, it doesn't say that - that was my layman's interpretation.
There are no benefits granted in a Reborn Warhost
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:37
But you see how that doesn't make sense...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:38
So what benefit would there be to say that a formation taken in a reborn warhost is considered part of that detachment as well as its formation
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:38
warlord traits, psychic powers and relics?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:38
Those are part of the Ynnari
not the warhost
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:39
is the warhost not a ynnari detachment?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:39
It is, Any unit that is a part of one of the formations listed or taken in a reborn warhost is considered a ynnari army
So if one of those formations is taken in a formation detachment instead, it is still ynnari
Ok, I can see it as a way to grant the formations from E/DE/Harly the benefits then
Since only the formations in this book would be Ynnari in a formation detachment
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:40
@Kohato I believe that “include in both” rule is in referance to this BRB rule. “However, all of the units in your army must belong to a Detachment and no unit can belong to more than one Detachment.”
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:40
Also you have complete freedom to mix and match formations to make MASSIVE armies...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:41
It is stating that it will be both the Faction Formation
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:41
Yea, I'm seeing it in that light now Flak
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:41
and the Ynnari Detachment
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:41
That's a bit of a disappointment really
I liked the thought of moving toward batallions for 8th :/
Still simple to implement, just a bit disappointing
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:42
It does make implementation slightly more tricky in battlescribe because you have to include all the formations as well...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:42
I still can't decide which interpretation i prefer
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:42
Nah simon - I was planning to add them anyway
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:42
MASSIVE ARMIES is best, obviously...
And that's cool then 😀
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:42
the ynnari ones at least - since the E/DE/Harly units were there anyway adding those formation units won't be much more work
The way i'm writing it out - I can easily switch based on the correct interpretation - which we won't know until the full book comes out of course
but I can prep it near to complete now
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:43
How will you do the validation?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:43
In the case of your interpretation - there doesn't need to be any
in the case of mine - we won't be
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:43
So a formation from <insert faction> is still a formation from the same faction and counted as an Ynnari
So eldar/ynnari, deldar/ynnari, and harlly/ynnari
because what happens when you use a formation with ynnari and you now have rules referancing the original faction
you arnt eldar anymore, you are ynnari
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:45
it specifies they use the rules from their source codex
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:45
right, they are eldar
in addition to ynnari
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:45
hence the reason they have to be inculed as both
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:45
It actually says they're both
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:45
@GenWilhelm i understand they use the rules from their respective codexes.
i was extrapilating on the reasoning of being counted as both factions
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:46
Yea, I'll prep the codex with the separate formation interpretation
If it turns out to be the other way
I is a simple matter to switch
Thanks for the input :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 08 2017 15:46
Super
No problems, better than this German call I'm on now, my German is definitely not good enough to keep up...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:47
maybe so it doesnt break specific hatred type rules eg. Hatred (Dark Eldar)?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:48
at this point, everything in that detachment gains faction Ynnari. Otherwise function exactly the same
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:49
not sure, what's the specific wording on using other faction's transports?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:49
Nothing in the leak yet
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:49
everything is the same faction, Ynnari, if you take the Reborn warhost
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:49
The units can take their dedicated transports as described in their codex
but yea - my assumption is they're able to embark as normal or even start embarked
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:50
but they are dual-faction
can a craftword unit start embarked on a DE transport, for example
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:50
Yea, it's a good question, not one that will change how I implement it, but a good question for gameplay
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:50
they are both Ynnari, i dont see why not
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:51
But they are also DE and Eldar - so while they are the same faction, they are also battle brothers
which takes presidence
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 15:51
that's why I was curious about the exact wording
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:51
It may be answered in the book - we only have snippets so far
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:51
does it? codex/suppliments overrule BRB
that is true @Kohato
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:52
That's true flak - but the supplement just says they're both
not that they ignore battle brother rules.
in our leaks we see at least.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:52
yeah. we may not even get the awnser. or get a day 1 faq
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:52
Lol
day 1 faq
you're funny
we'll get one in march
maybe
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:52
traitor legions...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:52
shit was that day 1?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:53
yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:53
I thought that was a couple weeks later
wow alright then
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:53
and it has been changed again already
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:53
Yea I knew they updated it again
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:53
i dont put anything past GW now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:53
Maybe Duncan will leak more rules.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:54
actually im mis-remembering. it was Wrath of Magnus that was day 1 faq, not traitor legions
that actually bodes more in favor of day 1 FAQ, since the last capmaign setting book needed one
i am hoping my GW manager gets his stock today and opens one like he did for Fall of Cadia. So i can look at all the juicy things in there
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:57
By look at you mean photograph and send to us
right?
right?
Just tell him to go paint for like 15 minutes
and leave you alone
Also, holy shit
an IK issue that isn't about allied detachments.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:58
no. i repect him not to do that.
funny enough, the building is a data killer. so i have no mobile internet while im there
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:59
In a mall?
or just a giant metal signal trap
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:59
stripe center
*strip
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 15:59
ahh, yea those can fuck with cells too
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 15:59
entire building is a data killer
target has wifi at least when i go there, and if i really need to i walk outside.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:01
Oh that's nice
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 16:02
alright, im out for a bit. later
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:04
Black guardian units are the same as the regular counterparts but with the Webway Assault rule and no warlock upgrade
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:05
I guess Deep Strike on turn 1 is worthy of the elite slot
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:05
and no scatter if you're 9" away from all enemies
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:05
yea
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 16:07
uh.. do FW knights have permission to take relics from an entirely other codex?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:07
I was checking it out - I think they do only in the formation that says the knights can
None of the knights have the ability to via the datasheet
even codex ones
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 16:08
that's what I'm thinking
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:08
it's the detachment/formation that says so
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 16:08
so they need special permisison
so it is a valid issue... damnit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:09
Yep
The detachment/formations state that you give "Imperial Knights" the relics
or the "Lord Baron" who is your warlord, who is chosen from the "Imperial Knights"
FW knights fit those criteria
so in formations/detachements where it's allowed - they'd be able to take them
though that causes some issues ... like the gauntlet and chainsword relic
RAW, I guess you could give a lancer the gauntlet but I doubt that's intended
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 16:10
head->desk
those things replace a weapon
so you COULD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:10
Yea, you could I guess ...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 16:10
I had to rework the entire weapon system for them a few days ago
and didn'T think of FW knights...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:11
TLDR: Yea - FW knights get them too :( sorry.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 16:11
ah well.
I'll get to it after I lavish with my nearly-GF in a palm paradise resort for 3h,drinking coctails at a water bar and floating in 30°C warm water.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:15
Sometimes I wish BS had a basic spell checker.
I'm using Gitter/Chrome to check spelling lol.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:22
Ancestor's Grace - Warp Charge 2: Ancestor's Grace is a blessing that targets a friendly non-vehicle unit within 14". Whilst this power is in effect, the target unit adds 1 to its Weapon Skill, Ballistic Skill, Initiative, Attacks, and Leadership characteristics, and gains the Adamantium Will special rule.
.... I'm scared of WK's again.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:23
don't forget they can soulburst for double the dakka
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:23
cry
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:24
or even triple, :thinking:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:25
Triple?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:25
yeah, they can soulburst every turn cant they?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:25
Once per turn yea
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:25
is that game turn or player turn?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:25
"Turn"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:25
thanks GW :+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:26
It will be player turn
there is no such thing as a game turn
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:27
end of game turn is when you check for sudden death, no?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:27
Gah, there is game turns
I thought they were rounds.
they are turns
The way it's written - it's definately designed to be used in either player turn
I would have to assume turn = player turn in this case.
Luckily you can't soulburst more than 1 unit per dead unit
You choose only 1 unit from among those within 7" of a unit dying
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:30
apart from that one formation, yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:30
Yea, base wise i mean
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 16:30
ya
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:30
Another question for FAQ for sure.
but context and fluff, I'd have to assume player turn.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 16:39
Lame. Almost an hour and a half wait to see an advisor...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:40
School?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 16:41
Yeah.
I have to get one to change my academic plan from "undecided" to what I want to get my loans to process.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:42
Ugh, loan bs
that's never fun
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 16:42
Well it's maddening because I already spoke with an advisor and it should have been changed then
On the plus, I am getting like an extra $8k after school costs and books
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 16:50
That's always nice
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:00
Now I'm wondering what book three will bring with guilliman
More imperium detachments?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 17:02
Fulgrim apologises to rowboat and the emperors children form a new detachment with the smurfs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:03
Then Trazyn shows up and has Vulkan on a leash
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:03
And dark Angels finally turn chaos
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:04
All of a sudden we get a Necron/Salamanders army who have banded together under the color green.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:04
After rowboat finds they are still legion sizes
Guilliman condemning the Dark Angels for the stupid shit they do, and making cypher and the fallen the new Dark Angels would be kinda cool.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:06
And they all lived happily ever after
Until the tyranids.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:06
Well everything is, until the Tyranids.
Alpha legion shows up and is like, "Guilly, brother. We are back and have been good this whole time"
I'd be OK with a dark angels/alpha legion swap.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:10
Magnus wants to be good all along, but he stabs anyone he hugs.
It's all a big misunderstanding.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:10
Lol
The imperium/chaos swap rumor the the one I want to be true so bad.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:25
I think this is a valid point cost for now.
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Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 17:26
Less than a phantom, seems good
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:26
Ynnari are Apocalypse Only games
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:26
Lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 17:26
if you want the actual points cost it's 200
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:26
Oh it is?
I couldn't find the points
Do you have the ones for the other two?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 17:27
150 for Visarch and 275 for Yncarne
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:27
Coolio, thanks!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:39
Good god the Yncarne's statline
for 275 points
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:46
The Yncarne must be deployed in Deep Strike Reserve. Unless the Yncarne has been slain, each time a unit (friend or foe) is completely destroyed (unless it was destroyed because it fled the battle), you may immediately place the Yncarne as close as possible to the position of that unit, at least 1" from all enemy models, even if the Yncarne is still in reserve. The Yncarne may not charge in a turn in which it uses this ability.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:49
Hmmm...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:50
on a S6 WS9 unit that has armourbane, fleshbane, AP2, and Soul Blaze.
Kill a unit on your opponent's turn across the field (another combat or something) and pop, here's death.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:50
Sound like melee warriors have a place, lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:51
Oh yea.
I love the fluff of it too - it won't work if the unit fled.
they have to actually be killed.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:51
They are avatars of death
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:51
For as many questions that come up - GW is getting better at writing rules.
Ages past, they would've just said completely destroyed.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:52
Yeah they are.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:53
I always thought Fear on a WS9 unit was just comical
They're gonna be hitting on 5s anyway
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 17:54
Affects other high-ws models
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:54
That's true, I guess there are some high WS that aren't fearless.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 17:58
Fuck... Just walked back outside. It's 80 out...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 17:58
O.o
Where do you live, texas?
It's 19 and snowing here in iowa :(
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 18:00
Yeah, houston
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:01
ah, south texas even, 80 sucks :(
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 18:01
I've been I shorts and driving with the windows down kately
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:02
I want to turn that into something dirty about kate, but I just can't.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 18:06
Lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 18:14
Yes actually like 50 here in PA but it's supposed to drop to 35 and start snowing at 10
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:15
You guys have some big winter storm coming dont ya?
Hah, Ynnead's Net is neat.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 18:17
Yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:17
4 units, each comes in from reserve at the same time, but from all 4 table edges. I like that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 18:17
Which is why it's crazy that 50 right now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:18
That combo there is tornado weather here in the midwest
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 08 2017 18:21
where are you in the midwest @Kohato
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 18:22
It's nice to know if there are three of us Americans here in this group
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:23
QC Iowa.
(missisippi edge of iowa - collection of 4 cities, Quad Cities)
Thankfully I never have to venture to the illinois side of town.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 18:27
Ewwwww Illinois
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:28
I know, I grew up south of chicago
That city rots the entirety of the state.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:43
Ya know, I didn't think that post with the special rules from last week would help, but I can glean a whole bunch from it
I have the artefacts of Ynnead done save for point costs cause of that now.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 18:46
Corag Hai's Locket - 15pts
Hungering Blade - 15pts
The Lost Shroud - 35pts
Mirrorgaze - 30pts
Song of Ynnead - 10pts
Soulsnare - 25pts
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:46
My god you're amazing
Do you have the book?
Or I'm just lazy/blind and didn't look hard enough
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 18:47
nah, reading it from a post of someone who does
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:47
Oh nice
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 18:48
you got the triumvirate and warhost rules from the glossary leak?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:48
Yea, I don't have the warhost contents though
I mean, I have the Reborn Warhost one
not the Ynnead Warhost - unless that's the same thing
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 18:49
same thing i think
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:49
Yea, i'm thinking that
Do you know if the Triumvirate detachment's bonus rules are only Unwitting Prey and Ynnead's Chosen?
The +1 to their dice rolls and the deployment rules for them
The rest of the detachments were in the latest leak.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 18:50
Heralds of Rebirth
Friendly non-vehicle units from an Ynnari Formation or Detachment that are within 12" of two models from the Triumvirate of Ynnead have the Fearless special rule. Whilst all three models from this Formation are on the battlefield, all friendly models with the Ynnari Faction have the Fearless special rule.
whoops typo
fixed*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:50
Ahh that too
perfect, thanks
with that - all the formation rules are done
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 18:51
nice
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:51
well, in like 5min
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 18:51
I wasnt sure if Unwitting Prey was from the triumvirate or a special mission
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 18:51
ohhh good point
I didn't think about the special mission
I'll mark that hidden and "Verify"
I have a couple others like that too - just a global hidden rule to tell me what to double check when the book comes out
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 18:52
good plan
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 19:15
BattleScribe 2 just got released on kindle, so that might be where Jon has been
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 19:19
Yay, another crop of users to tell to update their damned data.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 19:33
This is a very very odd artefact.
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Is it only useful when facing other Eldar/DE/Harlequins?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 19:34
yeah, I couldn't figure that one out either. just very fluffy I guess
and the token Overly Specific Counter
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 19:55
Well, if this works the first time after i'm done i'll shit a brick.
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Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 19:56
oh lord, im scared to look
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 19:56
Add 4 more "Or" lines to each of those, then double it all. That's how many conditionals the artefacts will take.
BUT, that should be the worst of it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 19:57
wait, are you putting in all the eldar/de/harley relics too?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 19:57
Because those units can take those.
Or the new ones. they get a choice.
An archon can take an artefact of cruelty or of the ynnari
but not one of the eldar/harly ones.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 19:58
ah yes, i must have misread it the first time
i thought it was instead, like the chapter specific stuff
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 19:59
so this section will be a wonderful jumble of conditionals, but that should be the worst of it.
Much nicer than cadia.
and it works in my head. If it works in BS is a different story but would be great if it did.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 20:00
at least the data editor handles the syntax for you, so you only have to worry about the logic :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:00
Sadly I know enough xml to slowly plod through it manually.
But yes, I'm very very glad to have a WYSIWIG editor
Curiousity abounds lorewise.
Is slaanesh's chaos number 7?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 20:01
slaanesh is 6
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:01
Huh, alright.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 20:01
nurgle is 7
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:02
I wonder why the Ynnari use 7
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 20:02
yeah, that was my first thought too when i saw all the 7s
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:02
Just occurred to me that most of their rules deal with 7s, thought it was slaanesh
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 20:05
Dont know, doesnt make much sense if it is tied to the chaos powers
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Feb 08 2017 20:05
@Kohato That Hungering Blade isn't so strange, it is probably used by the Haemonculi Covens that attack Yvraine while she tries to escape Commorath. I'm guessing it's part of one of the missions in the book.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:07
Yea, It sounds like a fluffy addition, just a curiosity why it was chosen as an artefact of the ynnari, it's a pretty specific artefact assuming Aeldari in that context means any opposing eldar/DE/Harly model.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:18
And those conditionals are done. It will be a miracle if it works the first time :)
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Logically since each of the 3 can only take artefacts from their own codex, or ynnari, I'd only need to check against their own and ynnari, then check against ynnari and all 3 in the ynnari group ... I think
Right?
Actually no ... I wouldn't need to check anything in the ynnari group except other ynnari ... because there's no way for them to take artefacts from 2 places without the other groups' conditionals being tripped.
It wouldn't flag the ynnari as being wrong, but it'd flag the codex one as being wrong - which is still fine, all I want is to throw an error.
Thoughts? It saves about 40 lines if that works.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 20:23
yes that is a solution. its a matter of style which one you decide to do
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:24
Elegance is the style I like :) Order in minimalism.
40 lines saved it is.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 08 2017 20:24
you do you :+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:35
:+1:
Well, hopefully by end of day today 30k will be in line with 40k, gst and cats wise
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:36
Oh yea?
You mean waiting on jon to implement a supplement?
Cause that's where 40k is
:p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:37
Yeah - @zopha and I have been slaving over fixing 30k
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:37
Nice, just updating to bs2.0?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:37
No 30k was still half 1.15
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:37
ahh yea, that's a pain
good on ya for the upgrade tho
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:37
And adding detachment organization like 40k
Up until now it had a super-complicated detachment that covered everything
1 detachment. -.-
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:38
ew
like very ew.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:39
There were just a shitton of modifiers to make that one detachment work for everything
Yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:39
oh ew.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:39
And half of it didn't work anyway
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:39
Good on both of you then - it gets so much easier to manage when the system is in nice neat sections
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:39
And there were official workarounds because nobody knew how to fix
Indeed
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:40
Probably still need some items changed to linked entries.
Lots of lines to be eliminated. It's looking much better now though!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:41
Yea, those are just line-savers and optimizers though.
Important sure, but getting it working is a great first step
Is anything you're doing waiting on jon to fix the conditional bugs like cadia?
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:42
Making any changes to the old system was liketrying to build and upside down house of cards.
I don't think so
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:42
Haha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:42
No not at the moment
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:42
That's good at least.
Now you can be ready for the god emprah to grace your cat.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:43
Indeed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:43
and by cat I mean catalog file.
Though if he wants to grace your cat, I'm surely not stopping him
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:43
FW haven't implemented crazy formations yet.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:43
I was curious if they'd gone the decurion route yet
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:43
After I finish working on the Inquisition cat tonight I'm gonna start working on the talons of the emperor – that's the custodians and the sisters of silence
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:44
Emps is later, it's the time of Space Wolves now.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:44
No for 30 K is very sans formations
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:44
There are Lord of war formations. That's about it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:44
Ahh alright. Are titans more common in 30k games?
I guess higher points are normal for it
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:45
And some crazy "you can't have more x than y" like more infantry than tanks for some rites.
Full titans, no but you get super heavy tanks very often.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:45
Yeah hi points are normal for 30 K because well 25% limit for Lords of war
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:45
Huh, that could be a bit wonky to validate. Yet another thing that would be solved by Battlescribe keywords.
It's on my wishlist for jon - custom validation keywords
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:46
Yeah, would be handy for stuff like "vechiles with tank type get the fast USR"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:46
Yep. It would make artefacts a damned cakewalk in 40k repo.
Easy rules attached to unit types
etc
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:47
2500 is a common game in 30k. 3000 for some events.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:47
Oh wow
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:47
When you add super heavies in things can go fast. Or volkite if you have infantry to kill.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:47
Yeah one example of those wonky validations is a blood angels day of revelation – it says you have to have at least as many units with legiones astartes as tanks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:47
and here 40k events are talking about dropping to 1650 to make 2.5 hour games
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:47
Or a shitload of phosohex templates.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:48
Yeah volkite is brutal
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:48
Phosphex
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:48
Phosphex the one that suffers an additional wound if it fails the first save?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:49
No that's volkite
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:49
Ahh
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:49
No Maelstrom and barely any psychic phase can speed things up a little.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:49
Most units can have gobs of volkite so it gets nasty real quick
That and AP one and two are incredibly common
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:51
Ahh so really pretty quick in wiping units off the board
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:51
Yeah.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:51
And no and they show know no broken, either
Fear is a thing
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:51
Astartes know fear :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:52
Haha, ATSKNF is a very annoying thing when playing necrons.
Some of our basic upgrades do dick.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:53
Curze and Night Lords are brutal with fear
But blood angels also get the fun thing of in close combat we always wound on one less than we would need to normally
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:54
Oh that's cool
Do they have all the primarchs in 30k yet or is it only some?
I know FW is putting out their models slowly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:55
So for blood angels an average marine hits on fours and wounds on threes against an average marine
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:55
Ah yeah, that sword that does extra wounds in CC as well. One high level BA astartes can kill nearly a full squad.
Not yet
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:55
Sanguinous doesn't exist yet otherwise I think all the other Primarchs have rules
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:55
I'd love to get Sanguinious' model for my desk.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:55
BA, DA and white scars don't have primarch rules.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:55
BA was my first army
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:56
That's right the lion and khan don't exist yet either
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:56
It's basically one books a year from FW.
If the cat wasn't so broken we'd probably have a good bit of the new book added by now.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 20:58
Yeah pretty much
Next book is rumored to be dark angels blood angels and night Lords
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 20:58
You can make some crazy white scars biker lists. If Russ is anything to go by the Khan will be crazy.
Plus dark mechanicum
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 20:59
They are nice books too (expensive as all hell though)
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 21:00
Yeah
So 7 is out now, 8 will be next and was expected but FW said they'll need at least double the number of books to finish the heresy off.
So 15 to 20...
They do red books that are just army lists with most of the fluff and extra's removed. They're not too expensive so you can still play without spending too much just on books.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 21:02
Oh that's nice at least.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 22:20
@Thairne can you de-conflict my local 30k branch?
or teach me how to?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 22:33
or @kohato?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:35
conflict?
lemme take a look, just got home
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 22:35
yeah - i conflicted my alphalas1 branch
specifically the Crusade army list cat.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:37
hm a branch...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:41
aaaaah its 30k
i've been wondering why I dont see anything :P
cloning...
yes I see... a merge conflict added the conflict resolve thingies and broke the xml
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 22:44
yes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:44
now how do I switch my tortoise git over to your branch...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:50
aaaalrighty
its late and im tired, but I got your branch
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 22:50
awesome.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 22:52
I can't do conflict resolution.
I should say, I don't know how - I don't have conflicts :p
I write into the master.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:53
conflicts can happen there too
just that it fucks everyone :D
@alphalas update, should be fixed
I reverted to zophas last revision
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 22:54
I mean, sure they can happen. I just don't let them happen. I just break the Cat file proper when I do it.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:54
even then it is good to be able to revert the changes :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 22:54
I've done more than 1 recursive loop without realizing it
Funny thing those loops. Battlescribe hates them.
Who woulda thunk
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:54
everyone hates recursive loops :P
considering teaching that... it is kind of simple, but you'll need tortoise for git installed on your machine
I can give you a basic walkthrough I guess
but.. knowledge is power. guard it well!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 22:55
Bill Murray is fine with them.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:55
yeh he.. had different oppinions on that
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 22:56
Will it let you push changes to the HH files?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 22:56
It's me, ned! Got the shingles real bad!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:56
I could kill the entire branch I'd wager :P
can someone sync and open the crusade army cat?
My head is about to hit the desk and I'd rather have it hit my pillow
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 22:58
You need more coffee friend
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:58
well...
being German, I worked hard (kek) and it is midnight now :P
unless I'm required to invade france which would rile me right up..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 22:59
Meh, they'd just give up
Easy peasy
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 22:59
and hide in london. as always.
then come screaming "WE WON! WE WON!"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 22:59
Hah, not anymore. UK wants to be left alone
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:00
@zopha it working?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:00
You are aware why there are so many avenues in France?
Cause German soldiers like to march in the shade.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:00
i'm still neck deep in inq.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 08 2017 23:00
Hah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:01
its your branch aint it?
master didnt have a conflict as far as I could see
BONK
...
ow.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:02
because i didn't commit to master.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:02
good. Then I fixed the right thing :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:02
looks like it's not working for me
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:04
ah wait...
well that might be because I cannot push
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 23:04
I think it just reset on your local branch and not on the remote.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:05
yeah
I need rights for the branch to push the revert
grafik.png
I always forget that git has that double thing where you commit AND push
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:05
well shit.
ok.
thanks anyway - we'll go with radical option.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 23:05
I'll do a reset now.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:06
:+1:
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 23:06
Do you usually go with a soft or hard reset Thairne?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:06
I can send you the file so you can push it yourself
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:06
that would work too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:06
resetting won'T help, the changes are in the repo
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:08
send the file.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:09
danke.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 23:09
I reset back 3 commits and forced it on to the remote. It's down to how the desktop client handles it now.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:09
:D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 08 2017 23:12
yay it works
thanks a million, man.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:12
:)
no problem
tomorrow I can give you a rundown on how to fix this, it's rather easy.
now tho... I need the Emperor's Rest.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 08 2017 23:15
Yeap, working now. Thanks!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 08 2017 23:16
you're welcomzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......