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10th
Feb 2017
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 09:00
welllll would you look at that. Someone wants to use the Grand Convo..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 09:22
It's time for another exciting round of "Where's the Grand Convocation?". Who will be tonight's lucky winner?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 09:29
I want to solve! Who is BSDataAnon?
I'm intrigued ANYONE wants to use that terrible, terrible detachment anyway
unless you go to like 3-4k points its worse than the alternatives by far
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 10:04
but I can give my knights PotMS! /s
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 11:40
TL:DR - the fallen were right? How is that possible - in the fluff they attacked the inbound DA fleet as they entered the system... Of course, history is written by the victors, so perhaps the fleet just started bombarding Caliban first to try and destroy the remainder of the Chapter before turning rouge... perhaps only once all the "fallen" are eliminated can the remaining DA's finally turn to Chaos...
I'm so conflicted...
zopha
@zopha
Feb 10 2017 11:43
What where they right about?
Didn't they just get pissed off at being left behind?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 11:50
Wait what? Details from gs 3 are out?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 11:59
Don't think so. Its just speculation at this point.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 12:02
Dark Angle Voice SPECULATION THAT IS HERESY, NOTHING HAPPENED ON CALIBAN IT WAS AN UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENT. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO WHEN YOU MENTION THESE PEOPLE CALLED THE FALLEN.
BLAM
oh, woe is me... Angle = Angel obviously...
(on topic - TAG ALL THE THINGS!! - I'm on board if it helps, when I need to edit a CAT that has this implemented I'll get the incense out figure out how it works then)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 12:14
So my understanding of the whole "Fallen were right" theory is that the fallen believed that the Lion was not loyal to the emperor, only to Caliban, and therefore deliberately delayed acting during the Heresy in order to join the winning side.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:29
yes. Yuo can believe that.
HOWEVER the key point is - HH 38 I think - Angels of Caliban
there is NO doubt in that book about the loyality of the Lion and the "things" Luther wanted.
Luther was a seccesionist at best
The Lion was busy hunting the Night Haunter in Macragge Civitas and then was, due to some.. hm.. radical methodes, albeit effecive, not welcome anymore
then he went to return home because he was told by Watchers that his Legion was in danger, yet couldn't earlier because he had the Thramas Crusade on his back.
but instead of returning home he went BACK to tell Sanguinius and Guiliman that the Emperor most likely still lives, effectively choosing between the Emperor and the saving of his Legion.
so no, all those theories are debunked by a single official book in the HH.
I'm currently reading Leman Russ of the Primarch-series... GOD DAMN I WANT TO PUNCH THE GUY IN THE FACE for what he did!
But afaik later in the book it explains that the late arrival of the DA at terra was actually the fault of the Space wolves.
Lion was definately loyal in 30k, as were the non-calibanites. 40k is a bit more... grey, but calling the Chapter traitors for what they did would also make the BA and SW traitors.
So in short.. DA are loyalists.
feels good.jpg
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:34
and actually the book portrais Luther as loyal to Caliban and the Order above all others :P
snort can you tell I'm a bit annoyed by Lion and DA are traitors? :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 12:36
clearly, interrogator-chaplain thairne is better informed on the matter than any of us here
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:36
yes :D
I love my DA and am fircely in the loyalist camp
to be fair, the only did turn away from the ambiguity in the loyality in the last years
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 12:38
in the last years?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:38
the newer books
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 12:39
ah i see
years real time, not in the lore timeline
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:39
yes

oh and I quote:

"is loyalty to his father was absolute, beyond all other considerations. The Lion seems to have truly believed that the Emperor was the only power truly worthy of sitting the throne of Terra, stating very clearly that his father was the one and only being to whom he would ever bend the knee; he would rather see he and his legion destroyed than allow another to usurp his father's throne. In fact he wanted very little for himself - a greater daemon of Tzeentch (possibly Fateweaver) found that it had nothing to offer the Lion besides an abstract notion of "freedom" and the prospect that the Lion would live his own life free of the burdens and responsibilities that chained him to his fate. The Lion rejected his offer. This is not to say that he would blindly follow any order given to him. The Emperor may have been his rightful liege lord, but as Dorn explained “The Lion has never been anything other than his own master." "

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 12:42
well he's going to be turning in his 'grave' when the eldar try to put RG on the throne
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:43
well yeah, he didn't like RG too much... to set in his ways, too ideologic, too... prune. El Johnson is a pragmatic authist kind of thing.. kind of a Mini Emperor
and he considered him weaker due to that
its a fun lil thing in AoC - Even after that time, RG hat a rogue faction in a part of the city that rejected his rule. During the heresy. He had plenty of time to sort that out, but was to whimsy to do it.
Lion got tasked with the job and phospexed the shit out of those basterds, finding and capturing Kurze in the process
2 weeks what RG didn't manage in centuries
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 12:51
I'm with you @Thairne, Green DA = Loyal as a VERY loyal thing, Cypher can do one if he thinks the Fallen .... well hang on... perhaps the marines called the Fallen were deliberately misled by Luther to believe that the inbound fleet was only masquerading as the returning DA's - Luther lied to people to get the bombardment started out of his own hubris... perhaps the stuff mentioned about Cypher will result in a grand "apology" by the "Fallen" and they will be forgiven...
who knows, does Rowboat know who Cypher is?? perhaps Cypher has fooled Rowboat...
but yes, for me, DA's are green & EXTREMELY LOYAL anyone who says anything else is a heretic and should be purged BLAM
Cypher - heresy - BLAM
zopha
@zopha
Feb 10 2017 12:53
Not sure if it was the book or a short story but Luthers DA purged the Lion-loyal marines.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:53
that is also kind of covered in Angels of Caliban and the earlier books.
There was a rebellion in caliban by loyalist elements trying to get rid of luther. They were defeated and imprisoned.
Also there's that Astelan guy that was the guy that gave the order to open fire. And he's quite a dick with his ambitions and kind of in league with Luther (and later in 40k revealed to be a liar and dick).
The Astartes left on Caliban were Lutherites
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 12:54
Black DA's = Fallen = BLAM
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:54
oh and there is a book to come later... which hat an excerpt leaked
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 12:54
(must redouble efforts to catch up with HH story...)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:55
in that scene Ezekiel, our chief badass librarian, seems to have a vision of the past, in which the Lion lay dieing after the fight with luther... When an astartes came in, knelt beside the Lion and was given a a task by the primarch
you can pretty much guess who that Astartes was...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 12:55
hmmmm Cypher??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:56
I would think so
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 12:56
gasp gasp caugh
"Delete. .... My.... Browser History." Death
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:57
that would make his mission one given by the primarch... and considering my earlier outburst would make that mission a loyalist one
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 12:57
TBH, how did he get the Lion sword otherwise...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:57
eh... yeh, all that furry porn :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 12:57
Hey, his name WAS lion
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:57
which got broken bei RG btw
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 12:57
The lion sword?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:57
after said purging of said terrorists
yep
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 12:58
Looks pretty intact, all 5feet of it in the new model
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 12:58
its in its sheath though?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 12:58
Ohh yea, it is
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:58
jup
el johnson handed it to the voted Lieutnant of the Deathwing at the end of AoC to "take care of it"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 12:58
When you think about the size of an astartes, that's a damned sephiroth sword there.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 12:58
and he NEVER draws it...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:58
Holguin was that guys name.. and then had it reforged
because it causes bad visions if you do, as Asmodai learned
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 12:59
I'm not sure cypher COULD draw it ...
like physically, if it's whole, his arms aren't long enough
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 12:59
still could use it as a lance :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 12:59
hehehehe! :-P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 12:59
Haha
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 12:59
Astartes rough rider confirmed?!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:00
An entire legion riding on robot jet horses?
I'll turn away from xenos in a hot second
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:01
I loved skitarri Ballistarii
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:01
I loved that horse :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:01
they're just so weak
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:01
that's why you build them as Dragoons and smash things after outflanking
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:02
That's true
a unit of 5 of those fuckers is terrifying
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:03
and not that expensive
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:03
Maybe I'll move into a war convocation as my next army after I finish my tanks
I already have cawl ... and like 3 knights
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:03
give a few of them phoshor serpenta to reroll charge distances
should've gotten the admech battlebox
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:03
Yea that would've been nice
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:04
2 get started and 1 of those boxes + knight = war convo
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:04
This is a ways off If I do this though, I still need 1 battle tank, 3 punisher tank varients, and 3 engiseers and 9 servitors to finish off my IG list.
Servitors are not cheap, at all
I need to make my own
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 13:04
"finish off" until 8th comes out of crouse...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:05
yeah I'Ve been casually looking for other models to replace them
I don't like the official servitors at all
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:05
I don't mind them, they're just so damned expensive
for what they are
"The bastard child of a Deff Dread and Defiler, the Onager donkeytank is a big, ugly, heavy weapons platform above all else."
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:07
tried kitbashing? skitarii/guard?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:07
I love 1d4chan
I thought about that, it's not a bad idea
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:07
its a pit of cess and filth, but... funny, I've to give them that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:07
a box of guard is 20 bucks and I have a bunch of skitarii bits laying around from when a friend played admech/skitarii
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 13:07
uhuh, definitely entertaining
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:08
heads are a dime a dozen
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:08
Oh yea, Their input is only ever good for someone who has really never played an army
but they're funny
Though, their thoughts on DA mirror yours quite well @Thairne
"Anyone who insists that the Dark Angels have never been the most loyal and treasured of all space marine chapters, or mentions The Fallen (WHO TOTALLY DO NOT EXIST, WE FUCKING SWEAR BY THE EMPEROR) shall be hunted down and beheaded for their Heresy!"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:10
I approve.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 13:10
ah, I'm glad you posted that, it's why I've been typing in a daft fashion :-) BLAM
HERESY BLAM
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:11
I know ^^ Been there, done that
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 13:12
Did you write it then...?!?!?!?!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:12
naaaaah. I'm not THAT unhinged!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:27
anyone want spoilers on why I loathe SW and russ now?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:28
Cause he's a dick?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 13:28
no, I'd rather find out in my own time (which is probably never...)
so, because he wears fur??
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:29
yes, he's a very special kind of dick.

Simon, don't read this then :P
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Basically...
Russ was fighting a human Empire in the Great Crusade, but was not getting it done quickly.
So the First was dispatched to make it speed up.
Russ was on the search for their homeplanet and when he finally found it - he found the Dark Angels already engaged in a huge naval battle.

Being the dickhead he was, he charged in, wondering about why the Lion held his capital ships back.
One captain of his especially ignored all hails, even those later on urgent and priority channels, because he "wanted to bloody his hands first" before taking the comms.
He destroyed an enemy battleship and.. was fired upon by a Dark Angels ship nearby.
Why?
Because the fucktard (the captain) blew up the battleship on which 10 Squads of Dark Angels, who were launched form the DA ship shooting the Wolves, were in the process of taking the ship, turning it's guns on the orbital defences, giving a tactical advantage to the attacking force.
Russ backed down barely, feeling he'd need to "defend the honour" of his legion.

So he killed about 100 Terminators, destroyed an almost captured warship, gave away a tactical advantage, caused the 4 most powerful ships of both legions to glower at each other in a standstill because he couldn't be bothered to confer with the allied commander of an ongoing battle on which he arrived to.
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you may read from here now :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:31
"wondering about why the Lion held his capital ships back." ... I mean, you know why
caugh caugh traitor.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:32
cause strategy :P
you don't blow up the ships your troops are on in boarding actions
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:32
I mean, it would have been fine if they had just stayed in their ships like good little angels.
Poppa Russ could've saved the day if it wasn't for those meddling kids and their lion.
Completely not related - anyone in the US order from FW before?
Or I guess you too Thairne, UK to Germany would be a bit of a trip as well
curious how long it takes for an order to arrive
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:34
come to think if it...
I'd bet that is the exact place where the Lion knocked out Russ over the "I wanna kill that guy"-attitude that lead to the animosity between SW and DA
uh.. UK to here takes about... 10 days
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:34
That's not bad
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:34
from US to here it's 15-20
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:34
I put an order in on Tuesday, was just curious how long it'd be.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:34
if it's not getting trapped in customs
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:34
Yea that would suck
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:36
or should I say
trumped in customs?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:37
There is no such thing as trump, I swear by the emperor.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:38
the word of a xenos sympathizer holds no sway over me!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:38
Hey, as long as i'm not ordering things from mexico ... or anywhere East/Southeast of Germany I think our almighty godtrump is fine with it.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:40
or from china. Or Japan.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:41
Oh didn't you hear? Trump is denying the existance of Taiwan like you deny the existance of the fallen.
China's fine with him now
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:41
ah yeah, I heard that in the news
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:41
And I guess I could order genuine russian vodka without issue
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:41
its almost comical how much of a psychopathic narcicst that guy is
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:42
Putin and Trump are in some odd sort of bronzer bromance
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:42
I'm.. not that unhappy with that compared to my earlier fears
I was like "putin is an ass... but he's brilliant in politics. if trump tries to mess with him, it's gonna go bad, really bad"
so... bromance is better than nuclear showdown
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:42
Hey, it's better than inciting putin to launch nukes
Trump's angering about everyone else in the world who WOULDN'T launch nukes ... except Iran and Baby Kim in korea.
But russia and china? we're cool bro
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:44

that however is some kind of.. forced optimism
like...

Soldier comes to his commanding officer:
Soldier: "Sarge! Sarge! I must report.. we are completely surrounded!"
Sarge: "Great! That means we can attack in every direction!"

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:44
I like your thinking soldier! The accuracy of our soldiers will increase drastically!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:44
Exactly :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:46
Apparently he's making good on his wall too. At the tune of 25billion USD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:46
Haha
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:46
and the Churros gonna pay for that!
for sure!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:46
Oh no, he backed down from that when they politely said no fucking way in hell
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:47
last I heard he was typically trumpy:
"there will be a way. Not today, maybe tomorrow. But we will find a way!"
like taxes and customs.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:47
"Mister Putin, Please build this wall!"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 13:49
us europeans are either following the old saying...
When in grave danger
and beset by doubt
Run around in circles
wave your arms and shout
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 13:54
Haha yea that's about right
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 10 2017 14:15
I think you've pretty much nailed that @Thairne
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 14:53
there is no possible other response to something that polarizing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 14:56
I love working on relic validation that ISN'T SM for once
Eldar relics are so simple
3 that straight up replace weapons, 4 that don't
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 14:57
is that so different to anyone else?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 14:58
To space marines at least.
Where you have mobility relics
banner relics
weapon relics
equipment relics
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 14:58
oh I see, didnt think about it replacing other wargear
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 14:59
Not so much replacing, but if you take one of the mobility relics, you're not elgible for that mobility option (relic jet pack for instance) so there's conditionals for that. Or banner relics available to only the honor guard. Just a lot less to check for when it's simple like this :)
Even adding in the Ynnari relics doesn't complicate much
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 15:05
hmm, now I'm thinking about eldar having relic jetbikes and jet packs
or relic armour like HoR
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:06
Oh god, yea not having Relic armor helps a lot
DE has 1 relic armour, but no mobility options, which helps
And Harly is just like eldar - weapons and wargear, that's it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 15:08
at least it isnt like termie armour that completely changes the loadout options
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:08
Yea, that makes things nicer too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:20
is it still not 1 relic per char?
so it doesn'T really matter what category it is - one and done?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 15:20
yeah, everyone but tau is max 1 relic per model
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:23
It does for validation
If it's all 1 shared category you have an absolute assload of validation
If you have Relics (Mobility) you can force someone to choose just that
or Relics (Weapons) choose among weapons to validate actually replacing
You could always just do 1 relic group and say fuck it to validation
But that's not elegant.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:26
that's what I do... you can take one relic. Some relics replace weapons, I validate that.
The other relics... no validation needed beside the max 1
if you choose some kind of armor, you have your relic - no trinket for you.
If you choose a weapon, you have to get rid of one - but that automatically means no armor
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:27
How do you validate removing a weapon?
max = 0 if selection of Or: any of the relics that replace weapon?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:28
I have 2 "arm slots" which have their default equipment
each needs to have 1 selection for a total of 2
if you select a relic, you break the max of 2.
So you select a specific option for one "arm" a non entry which increases the max to 3
so none, weapon 1, relic
or weapon 1, weapon 2
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:29
So you just hide the non weapon ones in that "Arm" choice?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:29
its a separate group
lemme show ye
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:29
Oh, yea - that's what I'm talking about
Separate groups for weapons and wargear relics
I just take it a step further for banners and mobility options to ease validation of those in SM
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:30
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:30
How, apparently Harlequins has 3 damned warlord trait tables and the numbering actually matters on them ... only damned codex that the numbering matters.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:31
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:31
What if someone chooses the Left Eye
which I assume is a wargear relic, not a weapon replacer
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 15:32
only the traits 4-6 change between the tables
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:32
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works, because it increments the max selections
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:32
Ahh so you have that based on the relics individually
Gotcha
Also - for ease of user, you can set that group to Max of 1, with each of the individuals max of 1 as well
it'll turn it into a radio option so the user never has to uncheck relics.
Just choose from among them
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:32
bit of a hassle if something chances since yuo have a load if increment max/increment min if equal to 1selection of thing
hm
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:33
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(Each of the linked entries is Max 1 in roster and children)
Turns it into radio buttons like this.
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Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:34
that's been bothering me for a while
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:34
YW :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:35
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i actually do that
but I think I'm missing something...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:35
The max in parent has to be in the selection group
not the entry
Basically you're saying the entry is a max of 1 - which is why it's a checkbox
but the entry group doesn't have a max, so it allows all the check boxes
Max 1 in roster is sufficient in the entry itself (as long as max 1 in roster has the Child Forces selected too)
And child selections
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:37
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:37
O.o
Well that ... is not right
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:37
yes it does have one :P
Character Options with Relics has a max of 2... maybe that breaks that radio button somehow
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:38
I have Selection Group (Max 1) > Entries and it does the radio buttons no issue
That'd be it
Any max of more than 1 allows check boxes
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Like this - makes the autarch weapon selection a checkbox because I do max 2, but the entry group for the artefacts is still a radio button since Max 1 is in there.
Also - thanks @GenWilhelm
I didn't notice that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:40
this is strange. Does not seem to be that different to my setup...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:40
Hmm, let me open it up and tinker a sec
see what I can find
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:41
help yourself.. but it is a bit messy due to not having a good default in that SEG
best go to librarian, company master or int chap
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:41
Just FYI - you have something called "Con" in the elites
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:41
update your data :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:41
not sure what that is supposed to be
Why would I do that
Ahh
I like complaining like a user
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:41
the irony....
:D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:42
Huh, unit type has the radio boxes fine
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:42
right....
the "hands " should also be radios
min/max 1
but for whatever reason...
if any of the entries would be more than max 1, it wouldn't be a checkbox, so its not those
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:53
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I took out Max 1 in parent to all the relics, made Max 1 in roster also apply to child forces (wouldn't have caused the checkboxes, but I think it needs to be checked), and I removed cawl/celestin's relics.
I think what is causing it is celestine's relics and cawls.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 15:55
yeah, taking out those solves the relics group
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:55
Works on the chaplain too
So it's that group causing your issue there
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not too sure about the left/right hand
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:56
hm.. that's not a new problem tho
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 15:56
I think that may be the max/min 2
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:56
or is it?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 15:57
testing now, but i think its nested groups
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:58
adding a max 1 in parent to cawl relics and cel relics doesn't fix it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 15:59
yeah, same story for combi and power weapons
seems like a BS bug tbh
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 10 2017 15:59
jup
Albeit a very, very minor one
as soon as we can set default in seg via modifier I'll redo the entire thing anyway
the entire increment max if is a bit bogus
a decrement max if not is easier to maintain
oh how I long for that day...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 17:09
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 17:24
Woo thanks!
I wonder if the relics are use able
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 17:25
the relics?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 17:25
Yea.
If you use yvreen can u give an archon the ynnari relics
In a de force I mean
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 17:26
oooh i get you
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 17:27
I've I get the cat done I'll have the triumvirate available for copy paste into the others
Well I guess they're there now, I just don't want the cat published yet lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 17:29
yeah, should be easy enough to drop them in once the book is out
and looking back at the earlier images, only models with the ynnari faction may take the ynnari relics
and in order to have ynnari faction they need to be in a ynnari detachment
so i would assume for now that e/de/h dont get those relics even if they have a ynnari join their detachment
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 17:43
Makes sense
That's easier than cadia by a lot the
Then*
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:17
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:17
You're sexy
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:17
no you
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:18
@alphalas - No need to buy it now if you don't need
This leak is squeeky clean!
Still can't promise it'll be done tomorrow but this will let me finish it as quick as I can :)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:19
do we know when the book is supposed to drop?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:19
Tomorrow.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:19
oh sweet
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:19
So, while it won't be ready tomorrow, I'm guessing i'll have it done by early week.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:26
Ok - clarification question here
Black Guardians are eldar - they have ancient doom and battle focus
BUT, when taken as part of a ynnari formation or detachment - they still lose those, correct?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:30
yes, those are there for when you field them outside the reborn warhost
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:30
Thats what I thought
just making sure :)
So is an Ulthwe strike force ynnari?
or just eldar?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:31
they are eldar
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:31
Need to take that out of the cat then :p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:32
good point, they cant even be added to the reborn warhost
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:32
They can be
the black guys
The strike force seems to be an eldar detachment
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:33
my head is going in circles atm
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:33
IT notes the black guardian varients can't be taken as normal elite slots - ONLY as part of an ulthwe force or a reborn battleforce
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:33
just ignore everything im saying
the individual units are in the reborn, the ulthwé detachment is not
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:34
Ohh yea, correct
Since it's a detachment, not a formation
Just interesting they're not valid choices in an eldar cad
only via Ulthwe detachment
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 10 2017 20:34
yeah, probably why they got their own detachment a la sisters of silence
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 20:34
Ahh that's true, didn't think of them
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 10 2017 21:58
So the reborn warhost is a ynnari detachment, correct?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 22:05
yes.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 10 2017 22:07
Banshees starting in raiders then?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 10 2017 22:08
Yep :)