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19th
Feb 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 00:43
@Thairne #3229
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 02:44
Haha. Np @amis92 I do what I can. And thanks for working to improve it!
I apparently left my cell in a comment reply lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:22
ok, here's one for you.
how do you set somethig so that ity does NOT satisfy a compulsury selection?
there's a ton of that in 30k
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:29
like what?
Allow X if Not Y?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:29
as in a HQ that cannot be the required HQ
so if you take that HQ you still need to take another
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:30
Modifier on force
increment min by 1 if no slelection of X
in force and child selections
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:30
and flag all the non-compulse?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:31
nope
If 0 selections of the compulsory
will cover it all
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:31
ah ok.
gotcha
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:31
actually
No - that'll only od one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:31
well is there some sort of way i can set a flag?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:31
Unless ... is HQ 1-2?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:31
because there are tones of them in all slots
1-3
elites are 0-4 lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:32
Ugh, that won't work then
It'd only increment once
and you cant do a repeat for every selection not of something
*duh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:32
yeah theoretically it's have to be able to do it twice if needed.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:33
Set min in force for the compulsory = 1
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:44
so add a tag that''ll trigger that?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:44
Contraint
but yea
On the entry for the compulsory HQ
Min in force and child selections = 1
Will throw an error until the user adds the compulsory hq
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:45
because there are several options for compulsory as well as several Non-Compulsory units.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:45
Oh so you have to have one of a choice
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:45
yes.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:45
"Compulsory HQ" shared entry
Min in force = 1
Entry group inside that
set to min/max 1
Name it "Compulsory HQ Choice" or something
then link the shared entries of each of the possible HQs and set each to max 1
That will require the group in the force - and then the user picks a compulsory one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:46
eww - will that handle units shown/hidden acording to legion or rites?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:46
then can add whatever he wants for the others.
Si.
As long as you're hiding the shared unit
Until we get custom tags
that's about as good as I can offer :/
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:47
i'm quoting you on that lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:47
The only other way would be setting min in force = 1 on each of them
and then modifying that min in force to = if instance of OR any of the others
on each
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:47
that's even grosser
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:48
Which means If you have 6 Options, you'd have 5 "IF"s on each 6
Yes, it is.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:48
and far more likely to break
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:48
Oh no, it'd work fine
just be ugly and spit out 6 errors fro the user
until they select 1
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:48
could you do it the opposite way?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:48
Set min in force to 1 if no instance of any of the others?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:48
set max 0 on noncompuls unless instance of compuls?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:49
Sure, you could do that
How many of each are there
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:49
oh god - there are several sub-options of centurian alone that are non-compuls
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:50
So yea, you could - do it that way
but it'd be worse
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:50
dame.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:50
A whole lot of Max = 0 then set max = 1 if instance of OR any of the 6 compulsories
do that on each non compulsory
Ugly.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:51
fuck it i'm just screencapping this and posting pics.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:51
The HQ entry of "Compulsory HQ" would be the cleanest
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:51
indeed
BSData/horus-heresy#751
congrats you've been made example of.
thanks @Kohato , you're a peach.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:57
I do like peaches
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 03:57
i figured you'd prefer that to sweetheart
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 03:59
haha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 04:15
@Kohato just remembered i have pdf of Talons i can share.
i have a better copy on my ipad, but for some reason it won't let me share that like i did for planetary assault.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 12:55
sigh Does anyone have the booklet from the Death Masque box
apparently the harlequin units from there are valid replacements in any harlequin formation
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 13:07
I'll get you pics
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 13:07
ty fam
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 13:08
Np babe
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:29
A combined cult mech/skitarri/knights codex wouldn't be the worst idea in the world honestly
It'd make war convocation easier too
I can work on that as my next project if you'd like
See how big it gets
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:32
why?
It works as is. If you want to do double the maintenance on every single bug, be my guest, I'm not in the mood for that kind of hassle because 3 clicks are too much work for the user.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:32
It'd be mainly for cadia implementation
but could be used for both
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:32
fuck cadia
we have a way that does not require that kind of shit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:32
You know, the implementation we can't do
We don't have a way until bugs are fixed.
Bugs aren't fixed, ergo - we have no way
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:33
and that's our fault because...?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:33
I'd be a millionaire when I win the lotto
I haven't won the lotto, ergo i'm no millionaire
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:33
well tbh - O'd opt out of maintaining the files if that makes the run.
Maybe because I'm really stressed out in RL right now, but I can't see me maintaining double the shit for 3 codexes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:35
If it works how I'd envision, it'd be maintaining 1 cat file (2 with IK as well)
not 3
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:35
for 3 separate codices
that have 3 single files
unless you want to create a SM Cataloque Mark II?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:35
Skit/Mech/Knights hardly touches the size of an imperium cat file.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:36
well be my guest
you can take over the rest then too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 16:36
At this point SM catalog Mk2 not be a bad idea
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:36
O.o kindly go back to bed.
It was an idea dick.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:37
I'm sorry...I'm really really not in a good mood. My 4 year old cat got diagnosed with basically vaccine induced cancer 2 days ago, tomorrow she'll go on the steel table for cutting. It most likely will cut her life short by 15 years and I'm really hoping that's not the case, but it puts me under quite a bit of emotional stress
so I might not be thinking too clearly and be overly rough.
I'll see myself out and grab a beer or three.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:39
That's a bad deal man, really hope it goes well for her.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:40
I do so too.. there is a not that bad chance maybe, but.. you know how cancer is.
about 30% survival rate
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:40
SM 3.0 wouldn't be a horrible Idea alpha - I wouldn't be writing from ground up again but it could use a good optimization pass
Aye, I have family diagnosed with it. It's a rough go, I'm no religious man, but I feel for ya.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:43

and its still "just" a cat.

trying to get my mind of it, maybe the catalogue is not such a bad idea

you could discard the 3 single files except the knight one
and work with some smartly chosen show/hide based on detachment
but how would one do Allied Detachments?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:44

Don't think that way, pets are just as much family.

But yea, we could combine IK/Skit into 1 and then just add in knights (like we do for every other cat cause of FW knights)

Viper666.Qc
@Viper666-Qc
Feb 19 2017 16:44
I was just pitching the idea for the combined factions catalogue, if its too big or too much of a work, I get no problem the way it works right now (like the war convocation)
cartag
@cartag
Feb 19 2017 16:44
We've lost two cats in the past three years. One we had to put down because he was sick, the other was having trouble breathing and died in my hetero-life-mate's arms. Never downplay the impact of a pet on your life.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:45
Allied would be odd
I think I could do it with some min/max conditionals
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:46
allied detachment - skitarii
How to choose not to show kataphrons?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:46
"Skit portion required if Cult Primary" selected
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:46
or how would it work in a CAD?
You'D have to select an entry to show what kind of units you'd want
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:46
we hide/show based on "Primary" choice like we do now, but make 2 Primary Detachment entries
cartag
@cartag
Feb 19 2017 16:46
If parent = Allied detachment, require a "chapter tactics" like selection to choose which one to use
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:46
Skit primary and cult primary
If Skit primary - allied detachments require cult primary
or more accuratley require NOT skit
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:47
and then you'd need to validate based on that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:47
Yea, we'd hide/show entries based on that choice
It'd be a change from the way things are done in every other codex, but it might work.
and it'd allow a cleaner war convo and castilens.
I'll work on a Proof of Concept with a couple entries at work next week
cartag
@cartag
Feb 19 2017 16:48
set all hidden, show if OR ancestor contains proper selection for "chapter tactics" equivalent, OR big detachment thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:48
if we like it, we can continue if not we can drop it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:48
war convo actually is fine
I'D leave knights out of it, those are allies for anyone
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:49
Yea, we could just combine Skit/Cult into one (which it should always have been GW)
that'd still make things easier I think
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:50
I dunno, I don't really like the idea right now, but I'll give it some thought when I have the spare mental capacity.
Maybe I'll get good news tomorrow that say "good sir, we are pretty sure we got everything, chances are very good for your lil' darling" and I'll do that just because fuck Cadia
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:50
It's not often we'd remove an item from the fuck cadia list.
:p Yea give it some thought - i'll do a sample proof of concept with a couple fake entries on monday - won't take long and will give us a visual for it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:51
fake entries don't give you the depth of complexity that can fuck you over though... I'm rather confident a proof of concept would work, but the devil is a squirrel as we do say over here
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:52
That's true
Eh well, if it won't work it won't. Just an idea to get at least part of cadia done
@Viper666 See what you did.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 19 2017 16:53
Im also worried that it fucks us over in the anti-cadia department
combined codices can cause all sorts of issues when the actual codices aren'T
you move away from representing rules as is to rules as should be
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:54
Also a good point. Ynnari was easier to combine and keep separate.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 19 2017 16:56
I don't even want to think about them making a Chaos uber-detachment
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:56
Or an Astartes one
cartag
@cartag
Feb 19 2017 16:57
I mean, that would be awesome, but fuck that... unless they did god specific ones, splitting it up into four wouldn't be bad
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 16:57
The way the story is going, I expect something like that will happen in the next year or two
Bobby's coming back and killing Abbadon, shit's going down
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 17:02
I with skit on Mac and nights couldn't you do it where you have a faction entry - show/hide according to faction?
wow that was voice to text fail
That first that was supposed to be skittari mech and knights
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 19 2017 18:56
@Kohato did we decide if the Ynnari characters are worth putting in the GST, or would it make life easier just to copy them into the E/DE/H CATs?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 18:57
Just copy into the three
Easier to do 4 total than the entirety of the imperium
Luckily their relics aren't like cadia
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2017 18:58
Best hope they never change then...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 18:58
They can only be taken in a ynnari faction
Eh. It's easy to fix 4 cats
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2017 18:59
Can't you put them in the GST, hidden and then "show if..."?
Then you only have to do one...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 18:59
Show if what
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2017 19:00
Hmmm.... Fair point...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 19:00
😀
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2017 19:00
:-P
Well, if you have a load of options in the GST for different forces (skit/ad mech) why not make it the start for every list "choose your faction"
And use that to show/hide shared things across CAT files...?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 19:10
That's kinda like what I was saying for mech/skit/ik
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2017 19:10
Yes, exactly that's what I meant
:-)
Hahaha, then you could just have a single cat for all eldar with a switch to choose faction... (that might be too much)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 19 2017 19:13
Lets just have everything in the GST and use the catalogues to link from there :+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 19:14
Yea... no
Bloated gst. No thanks :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 19:15
Lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 19:23
@Kohato my FLGS owner says you're a hero
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 19:27
I know it
Lol
For what now?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2017 19:29
(other than being generally awesome)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 19:32
Ynarri
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 19:49
Oh good. Glad he likes it
I'll have death masque integrated tomorrow I think
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 19:49
I'll get you those scans as soon as I'm home
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Feb 19 2017 19:58
If not, I have the book too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 19:59
No rush. I'm building my 3rd mortarch now for my aos death army
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 20:00
Which one?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 20:00
I'm using flying stems from wraithknights to secure them because I swear the mortarch looks amazing. But the design to stand on its base is as bad as a bloodthirster
This one will be mannfred the other two are done
I have krell on foot too, he's just a generic wight king now though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 20:01
I'm going to have to eventually get Nefrata arkan and nagash
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 19 2017 20:01
Nagash is on the way from frontline gaming :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 20:03
Nice!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 21:45
Hell of a time for appspot to shit on us
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Feb 19 2017 21:46
it is still taking a shit?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 19 2017 21:46
Considering all the eldar bugs I'd say so
zopha
@zopha
Feb 19 2017 21:49
It was working earlier. And Jon responded to a reddit post saying it just needed to work done bugs out but it was back.