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26th
Feb 2017
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Feb 26 2017 01:16
Hey guys... has anyone figured out how to change the FoC from inside a given Force file?
It looks like they're immutable, which seems to reveal a pretty major architectural flaw inside of BS2.x.
_
Am I missing something?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:17
How are you wanting to change it?
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Feb 26 2017 01:19
In the HH, there are Rites of War that alter how many slots you get. In his... uh, wisdom, the original maintainer decreed that we would never have per-Rite of War Force Entries, so mutability is necessary (though it is seemingly not supported when inherited from the GST).
Perhaps there is a way to do it and I am just missing it?
I see greyed-out Force Entries when looking at them inside of a given Force file.
I would prefer not to have to pull the Force Entries out of the GST and into the Force files to make them mutable, but I suppose I will if that is all Jon has given us.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:21
I doubt there is a way, there wasn't in BS1 either.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Feb 26 2017 01:21
Help me @cartag, you're our only hope!
FFS
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:21
My best option would be making each Rite a separate force type, would be the easiest way to do it, if not the cleanest.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Feb 26 2017 01:22
That would mean you can't change Rites of War (there are 20+) within a given list.
Which is, I think, why the original guy nixed that approach.
Can you ex post facto change Force Entry in BS2.x?
If so, then his objection is moot. If not...
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:24
You can't alter one in GST from a CAT
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Feb 26 2017 01:25
I know there wasn't a way in BS1, but have hung back in hopes that BS2 would stabilize a bit (lots of showstopper bugs, e.g. preventing units from being counted in the correct category), but perhaps I didn't wait long enough.
In the HH scene, people are jumping to Quartermaster in droves. I'm of the "never Apple" school, so I'm back to trying to make the BS files work.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:25
I'm trying to think up other options
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Feb 26 2017 01:25
If I move the Force Types to the CAT, can I alter them there?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:25
yes, you can, but I may have another option
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Feb 26 2017 01:25
Does that make sense?
Cool, lay it on me.
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:25
We make a new FOC slot called "Heavy - ROW"
for example
We then add a second link to any heavy units, set to hidden, but it unhides if ROW X is taken
it's set with Y max slots in it
does that make sense?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 01:29
But then that slot would always show up, even if everything in it is hidden?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:29
Like this:
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 01:29
At least on mobile
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:29
it might
Do any of them raise or lower by more than 1?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 01:30
I think it will - which will look pretty bad on mobile
I think some add 2 or 3
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:30
It's still a solution, if not an elegant one
Okay, other option is make an Entry Group for each section (Elite/heavy/troop/whatever) that contains all units in that group. Max size is adjusted per RoW, and it only unhides if proper one is active
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 01:31
other option would be to potential he move the rights back into the GST – and then modify the forces that way
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:31
^ that would work too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 01:32
Which would also quite potentially help us fix the issue we have with the Primarch's chosen and the HQ Primarch
Fuck me I don't want to do that again and I'm pretty sure @zopha doesn't either
It was bad enough moving that shit out of the GST initially
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 01:32
It wouldn't be able to check anything out of the GST though
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Feb 26 2017 04:01
Seemingly proving out my prior concern about major architectural limitations. Ugh.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 04:43
Hey @Thairne, I'm going to need you to teach me in the ways of constraints of units across cats in roster - we have a mixed detachment also over in 30k
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Feb 26 2017 05:45
I am also running into the unfortunate issue of being unable to put in hides or other modifies on units like Forts from the GST.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 13:59
That's actually easy - @zopha was a little overzealous making entry links in GST
zopha
@zopha
Feb 26 2017 14:01
Yeap. I just threw them all in and let people self validate. It was that or wait to go through the restrictions for them all.
Also I forgot they had restrictions.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 14:03
Yeah - we'll probably have to delete all the entry links in the GST, then recreate them in each individual cat. Pain in the ass, but gives full control over show/hide
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 14:31
Down to 3 bugs now.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 26 2017 14:32
omg <5
I can't remember it being this low lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 14:32
And technically one isn't a bug
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 26 2017 14:33
yea, one is just a reminder to me to make ynnari look nicer
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 14:33
I'm just a slacker then... in my defense, I'm maintaining files for a game I've not played for the better part of 9 months now.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Feb 26 2017 14:33
haha
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 14:41
I've been clamoring for legion rules and I've not even tried out Traitor Legions yet, that's my level of disdain for the WAAC players at my store.
I'd^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 14:49
That's a bitch man - I'd play vassal or TTsim with you
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Feb 26 2017 14:49
you guys play TTS?
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 14:50
I pay $100 a year to have a 6'x3'x1' locker at my store. I brought my 40k army home last month because it wasn't being used.
I have my AoS Chaos army, my Blood Bowl teams, and a ton of board games in there now.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 15:23
@alphalas easy. Try building a Grand Convocation. It works the same way as a War Convo. THen after seeing in how it works on the user side, check the entries in cult/skitarii. It is pretty self explanatory if you have basic BS knowledge, which you do have :smile:
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 15:42
Trying to do cleanup to drop size of CSM CAT... so far from 2536kb unzipped to 2522kb
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 15:45
as far as i know though it all needs to fir into a single cad, ala cadia, @Thairne
still same thing?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 15:51
Since Grand Convo is a single detachment as is War Convo... yes, it should
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 15:51
:+1:
dankeschoen, mine herr
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 16:19
blob
@Thairne houston we have a problem
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 16:55
That is strange
I had to edit the GST due to conflicts
I thought I had that covered

lemme fix that...

And also

GERN GESCHEHEN!!!

cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 16:56
down to 2489 now, so I dropped 50k by just changing default behavior. Instead of making sure there is no traitor legion, I just have it do the opposite but use the old default behavior if Vanilla or Crimson Slaughter is selected.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 16:57

nowthat is weird

works for me...

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I'm synced... no error... is the ID in your GST for the "Elite" entry c6e2-f98a-521e-3114 or different?
It needs to link to the respective entry in the FOC, in this case elite, which is in the GST to be validated through multiple cats with the same ID..
or is the GST in your branch somewhat deprecated? I'm at 2026
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 17:00
that's hat it was - somehow my gst didn't update.
what*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 17:01
SCHLARFEN RUTZNEFUZ KRACH!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 17:02
lol indeed
part of the reason i love my herritage
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 17:02
you are a descendent of the Emperor's people
Whats not to love?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 17:03
i'm actually german born - technically american born but w/e.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 17:03
Ah
dann kann ich mir das englisch ja sparen :D
RUTZNE FRAHCKRANZ BRUNS!
being proud of being German is a.. deficile matter though. Especially in Europe.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 17:06
yeah was born on base in frankfurt - lived in country for my first 5 year or so
indeed - funny it's more then ok to be proud to be german here in us
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 17:08
because there aren't frenchies and kurwas and all the other people around that constantly bash you for it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 17:08
so does GrandCon use a different Elite from CAD or same elite id?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 17:09
Same category
the elite is a new entry that gets validated instead of the standard validation BS has
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 17:10
blob
so that is correct or incorrect?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 17:11
build it just like a CAD
without the min/max in the gst
then link to the elite entry e.g. and validate with that one with max in roster
as the corpuscarii e.g. do
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 17:14
oh i see what you mean now.
i love how i'm sitting here working on nerdy stuff, talking about being german, and i'm watching prerace for Daytona 500
so i'm just dropping entries in GST named elite, FA, HS, etc? that's all i need to do in GST?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 17:19

jup with a max in parennt of 1

Does daytona count as nerdy tho?

cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 17:19
It does if you're a gearhead
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 17:19
that is fair
cartag
@cartag
Feb 26 2017 17:19
technically more geeky then though
zopha
@zopha
Feb 26 2017 17:20
Could that work with units that occupy more than one entry? Like troop and elite.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 17:21
yep
currently as is implemented, they need to have a min of 0 to not break anything in a CAD
if you increment to 1, it does not autoselect
so these guys could have a SEG with the force role and then have the user force to pick between available roles
I think.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 17:31
i can't wait for Melbourne 3/26
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 18:33
@Thairne if i don't link it to the selection entry in GST, it won't show up in roster creation?
or do i have to set hidden?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 18:34
what exactly is "it"?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 18:34
any unit selection.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 18:34
well yeah that's why you link it to the corresponding category...
and the unit links to the entry in the gst
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 18:34
like specifically, a disipline master cadre cannot be included in a AoDC
ok - i was just making sure
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 18:35
then you hide it if force is instance of aoDC?
I'm confused ^^
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 18:35
that's what i was asking - do i have to hide it, or can i just not link it?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 18:35
what is "it"?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 18:36
the entry for the disipline master cadre.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 18:36
and that is a thing like heavy support?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 18:37
it is an HQ unit
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 18:39
it is a thing in different detachments though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 18:39
in a regular detachment yes.
zopha
@zopha
Feb 26 2017 18:39
Just don't make a link to it and it won't appear as an option. If there's a link to it already you'll have to hide it instead, if you don't want it to show up for AoDC.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 18:39
and you dont need a link to HQ entry
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 18:42
ok now i'm confused >.<
i thought you had to add the links to the GST battlefield role selection entries to all squads that can be in the combined detachment.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 18:44
yes
but you just said it is not an option in that thing
so you hide it and are done
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 18:44
ok so hide and don't likn, ok.
link*
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 19:09
blob
what am i doing wrong?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 19:42
looks like the roster modifier isnt firing
I'd say... the very thing... you'Re doing wrong...
takes deep breath
is not having UPDATED your BATTLESCRIBE! :shipit:
you know, you need .13 which is the version that fixed rosters which was the very reason we didn't do it earlier :sparkles: :sparkles: :sparkles:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 19:49
i thought i did.
i'll try again after reinsalling.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 19:50
it pretty clearly says .12 right thar
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 19:50
i swear to god, i though i nstalled the new version as soon as it came out.
if that's the issue, i'll be annoyed.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 19:51
prepare to be annoyed.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 19:53
yup
now isnt my hide working?
there we go, got it hiding too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Feb 26 2017 19:55
there you go, good boy :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 21:46
blob
ok this one is trowing me for a loop
throwing*
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 21:56
it's not recognizing the praetor as making the centurion not min 1 and vise versa
zopha
@zopha
Feb 26 2017 21:59
Will it work with "less than 1 selections"?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Feb 26 2017 21:59
tried that - no bueno