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Mar 2017
François Beaulieu
@francoisbeaulieu
Mar 01 2017 02:35
Hey guys, did the blood oath supplement ever get published? (See: BSData/wh40k#1014)
It's half implemented as far as I can tell, and I can't find the source material to check it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 01 2017 02:39
I think I put it in SM
cartag
@cartag
Mar 01 2017 02:39
Yeah, it came out at WHW like a year and a half ago
François Beaulieu
@francoisbeaulieu
Mar 01 2017 04:05
Can't find the spear of Sicarius formation...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 08:27
@alphalas @GenWilhelm The reason why I didn't validate or modify on entry is simple - it is in the GST. You use them in different catalogues. You cannot modify a constraint in the gst in a cat - so you have to do it on a per entry basis. You can't do it in the gst because you, ofc, do not have access to the different detachment that require these things in the first place and therefore cannot check for them.
Thinking about it, you might be able to wrap the entry from the gst in an entry in the cat, modify that one and link to it from the entries that need it... that could save some lines
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 10:39
I dont like it, but I had to add the FOC Entrys to cawl and consorts without an option to hide them... didn't make them mandatory, but still... bad.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 01 2017 10:49
Voted, this would be handy in a number of situations!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 10:55
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 11:00
Voted on both
@Thairne do you have any idea about the hide issues I'm having?
zopha
@zopha
Mar 01 2017 11:09
The first one would be nice but the Nested Entry crash gets all my votes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 12:40
try a valid link maybe?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 12:51
shit hang on
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Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 12:56
did you try my suggestion of making the entry hidden, not just the link?
either that or invert the condition - set hidden true if not instance of...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:03
i'll probably have to invert - because the entry really can't be hidden because it's a valid option in every list.
unless i'm missing something.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:04
i mean the "Lord of War" entry, not the Baneblade
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:04
that is hidden
at least it should be.
hmm.
back into the GST for me.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:05
so.. the issue is with the LoW Entry?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:06
all the links to gst - none are hiding outside of the AoDC detachment
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:06
yeah try hiding the entry and not the link
that's how I did it for ease of implementation
that way you can link to it and not bother with checking hidden.. because it already is
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:07
does setting a link to hidden do anything?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:07
obviously not :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:08
k, trying now.
at least we're all learning what not to do lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:08
oh btw @Thairne, you probably saw but i commented on the nest groups issue on uservoice
zopha
@zopha
Mar 01 2017 13:08
Anyone taking notes? :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:09
nope, didnt
will check
I see
Jon's gonna love that
accurate repros are the joy of any bug hunt
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:09
@GenWilhelm i wish i had understood what you meant last night, you glorious bastard.
thank you, both of you.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:10
you guys... your bromance is starting to worry me a bit :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:10
sorry, i was tired, probably should have explained it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:10
no it's fine.
i was trying to stay awake myself with copious amounts of mountain dew.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:11
it's better with the mike tyson version :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:11
now kith?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:11
si
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:12
das heisst JA!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:12
Da
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:12
close, young one.
oh btw I did my first venture into the hearthstone arena since 2014
Went 7:3
was close a few times, but I'm rather surprised by that success
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:13
wild arena?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:13
is there another?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:14
genau
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:14
they changed it to standard yesterday i think
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:14
had a close game as shaman when the enemy warlock couldn't deal the last 3 dmg to me and went from 25 to loss... The rage!
Yeah wild then
took me about 5 turns
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:14
shamans of shamanstone
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:15
? shaman broken or smth?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:15
but yeah 7-3 is pretty good
high level constructed is about 75% shamans
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:15
you learn things by watching trump
I'd admit that it probably would have been more like 4/3 but I was lucky
bah
couldn't get past 17 this season.
a lack of cards does hurt in constructed..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:17
the last time i got anywhere in constructed was pre-nerf combo druid
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:17
oh, @Thairne, for castellans, are we using the same setup?
as grand con i mean.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:17
before and since i play almost only arena
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:17
because i probably should start implimenting that bullshit in my cats
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:17
not my cat, so don't really qualify for judging that... but unless you have another idea? We'd definately have to ask @kohato tho, cause the SM cat will be... urh...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:18
yeah that is fair.
oh shit that's right no mech in castellans
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:18
although it is just Black Templars, no?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:18
any
the rathful crusade is the strictly BT one
wrathful*
damn w key
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:18
ah
Well
in that case... fuck cadia
we'd definately need a way to reduce line count for the SM cat
adding 8 new lines or something per entry.... uh oh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:19
when it comes to named characters, it's only BT (I Think), but it's any units from the list.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:21
still thinking.. could we wrap the foc entry into another with the modifiers and constraints to link to that one instead?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:22
i think @GenWilhelm recomended something like that last night.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:22
or would a SEG work better... both would be not that nice on the UI...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:22
because he was questioning why i was linking to each unit.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:22
yeh
see my reply :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:23
ah i missed that part - only saw links to the uservoice things.
Oh let it be known – the 30 K custodes are the bane of the existence of tyranids or anything else with big monstrous creatures
So much instant death.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:26
so finally something anti MC? About time. Tyranids need help tho
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:26
I played a 1K of customers versus tyranids – I tabled them turn four
One shot it a breeder, and killed a flying hive tyrant after one round of shooting
Did I mention I had seven infantry models and two grav tanks
And I was outnumbered 7 to 1
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:33
well to be fair, that is about as rock paper scissors as it gets
had he had some gaunts he would have wuped the table with your 7 guys
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 13:34
I found a solution by editing the xml, but it breaks the data editor across all catalogues, so I guess that's not ideal?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:34
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nesting the entry seems to work
it doubles the validating error msg, but that is a minor issue
uhm no I'd say that is not good :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:38
he had termigaunts, gargoyles, the FHT, a breeder, 2 zoanthropes and a big brain bug.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:38
ah heck, you'd need of course to do the validation on the lower entry.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:38
Custodes just mow through things.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:41
well they better do for that price tag and the fluff
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:43
yeah - like it totally felt like exactly what they're supposed to do. HOWEVER, it was very much a i roll dice, remove your units, and you sit there an smile game.
could be because it was 1k - but damn.
ive never been spanked/spanked anyone that hard with tau before.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:43
hm.. so at 1k points you brought the absolute counter to big things
and he brought.. urh.. how many points in big things?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:44
i think he said 13 wounds of big things? couldnt tell you points.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:45
what is a big brain bug?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:46
the upgrade to the zoanthrope.
i forget what it was called
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:46
maleceptor?
lets say it is - thats about 700 pts barebones in big beasties
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:48
yes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:48
im not surprised that THAT list dies to instant death
quite unbalanced I'd say
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:49
it performs pretty well against most other things at 1k
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:49
that's like playing mechanized because at 1k you don't take that much melta
and then run into a drop pod melta list
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:49
this was a test game for a local highlander format tourney
fair - but, on the other hand, there's not much this list won't mulch at 1k
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:50
what?
Anything hord-y?
give cultists a bit of luck and they delete a custodes a turn for 50 or so points
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:50
each model is putting out minimum 4 attacks, with PW
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:50
skitarii vanguard? Necron Tesla?
still 7 wounds
crux of terminators - small arms fire
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:51
they all have 2+/5++ rerollable, and minimum 2w each.
my one squad each model was 3 w
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:52
t5?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:52
yup
s5too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:52
aight, now they're getting tuff
still, I'd say they beat nidzilla handily
but crumble to hordes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:53
and if their WS is higher then yours, they get +1 I to their already I5
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:53
which matters how often? How many thinkgs ARE I5?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:53
all of eldar?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:53
I6 doesn't matter if you're I3 or I4 anyway
gtting into combat with eldar is not that easy if he doesn't want to
besides if eldar finally HAS something to worry about I'd not be overly sad
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:54
one would think - lol fair
it's something to test - i know a ork player with like 200 stormboys.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:56
custodes will loose by weight of statistics. They just cannot win that reliably
always remember that 33% of your attacks will wiff at best
bigger numbers = more reliabilty
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:57
all good points. Custodes just do really good at buffing those odds.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:57
yep
they are viable
They are what terminators need to be to be useable it seems
but that makes them not broken, but specialists in taking out big stuff
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:58
I don't even want terminators to be as good as custodes, I just want terminators to be as good as paladins minus psychic powers
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 13:58
I hear ya... I want to use my deathwing. I just can't... boring rules and terrible painted
one of my earliest things I did.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 13:59
I have a full first company a blood angels that it's like I never want to use them even if the archangels are great
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 14:04
what
like 100 thingies?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 14:05
60 terminators and 40 veterans of both jump and non
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 14:06
youz need a life son!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 14:07
I've collected two full battle companies half an assault company and the full first company for BA
And I'm pretty sure I still have more tau than I do blood angels
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 01 2017 14:14
why stop now? You're a good way to the entire chapter!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 14:16
lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 19:24
is anyone else seeing strange behaviour with warnings on min selections?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 19:36
seems like conditions based off groups aren't working?
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 01 2017 19:42
Something happened to my constraints in militia and cults - it doesn't enforce my increment min 0 by 1 currently
Looks like it all should work though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 01 2017 19:50
is it in a nested entry?