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Mar 2017
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 08:28

did Jon feth something up again?

BSData/wh40k#3486

they are linked and hidden, the show modifier however does not seem to toggle
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BSData/wh40k#3488 also strange. The entries also disappeared.
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Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 08:44
#3487 I'm sure they're already on the CAT as well...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 08:45
hm. The plot thickens...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 08:50
jesus the fanclub is active today..
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 09:02
Seems that way...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 09:16
time for a release I think :-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 09:17
Said and done
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 09:18
mega :+1: :shipit:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 09:34
we did literally :shipit:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 09:47
uhuh :-) hence why I thought it would actually be appropriate for a change :-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:09
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Guilliman going traitor confirmed?!
Cypher being Omegon going loyal confirmed?!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:10
So. That aside. Hide then show has always been bugged on mobile
Maybe it was fixed then unfixed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:11
was actually my fault.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:11
Oh?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:11
had a modifier with 2 conditions and not a condition group above them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:12
Ahh yea that'll do it
Bobby seems pretty defeated
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:13
no idea how that could slip under the radar that long
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:13
I love it actually
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:13
its... realistic
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:13
Not because I hate smurfs. But yea, that
Shits fucked. And he knows it. And it hurts him.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:13
when he was around things were pretty fine
9k years later everything went to hell
now if Bobby feels that way... imagine if others came back
russ
oh the rage...
the lion
oh the beheadings...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:14
Russ won't feel that way
Russ will simply kill a planet
He will cleave a planet.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:14
there will be blood
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:15
I had no interest in the biel tan book. I will read this one though
zopha
@zopha
Mar 03 2017 12:15
I think Lorgar will be the only happy one, with everyone following the book he wrote.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:16
He won't turn to chaos though
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:16
I got the gist of it... eldar don't bother me too
this one... Dunno if I will GET it or... erh... read it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:16
They'll tempt him, he'll falter, and ultimately stay a champion of order
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:16
what about the traitor/loyalist switch tumours tho?
zopha
@zopha
Mar 03 2017 12:16
The Tau could seem attractive to him...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:16
Cypher being omegnon I love though
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:16
that quote fits that pretty good
id rather have him be a DA, but... yeh... kinda...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:17
I anyone's going traitor it's da
With alpha going loyal
Not saying it will happen, just da will officially go traitor before smurfs
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:17
dude
you know the very gist of DA is HATING traitors
smurfs have no tendency towards that true
but bobby really sounds bad
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:18
Falsehoods and lies. To cover up their traitorship
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:18
they might very well refuse the liege
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:18
Where is caliban?
Yea bobby sounds defeated in the worst way. I don't see him taking up his fathers seat
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:19
did you read The Unforgiven?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:19
I have not
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:19
you should. its got a HUGE plot twist at the end
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:20
Yea? I should grad it.
Wonder if it's on audio
Can listen at work
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:20
reading the other books would be recommended tho, trilogy
but it shines a new... light on what happened on caliban.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:20
Oh? Which ones are those?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 12:21
@Kohato @Thairne could one of you to go over the Colts militia 30 K cat and see why the min one militia per each Legiones astartes isn't working please?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 12:22
When I get to work I can
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 12:22
well.. huge spoilers?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 12:28
:+1:
The constraint that's not working is in the militia cat – but it keys off the CAL cat so you might have to look in there too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 12:45
@alphalas have you unhidden the "Legiones Astartes" entry?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 12:46
It unhides when AoDC
Or at least I'm pretty sure that's what I set it to
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 13:42
looks like the angels of redemption are hot on the heels of cypher
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 13:52
so if you're on a transport you can soulburst if the transport is wrecked, but not if it explodes?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 13:52
I don't see why not
It's a unit
and wrecking a unit counts as destroying it for game purposes.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 13:52
does exploding not also count?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 13:53
"Explodes" is simply something that can happen after a vehicle is destroyed
I'd say it would - but the explodes damage would obviously happen first.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 13:53
Q: If a unit is embarked on a Transport, and the Transport
explodes, are the survivors from that unit allowed to perform a
Soulburst action?
A: No.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 13:56
Huh
well shit
also
no wraithguard on raiders
that's a blow
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 13:58
Also wraith guard in a Ynarri detachment from that formation do not gain battle focus
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 13:58
That we already knew
Ancient Doom, Battle Focus, and Power from Pain do not exist for any Ynnari
Q: When do you check if the Reborn Warhost has the 7 units
it needs for the Warhost of Ynnead rule? When choosing your
army, or each time you would use the rule during the battle?
A: When choosing your army
Ok that's nice
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 13:59
I was not aware - I kept hearing people arguing that since that formation grants said that might over rule - apparently not. Good
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 13:59
... which begs the question ... does that apply to canticles too?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:00
Oh God I hope so
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 14:00
doesnt the canticles rule specify "the number of unit participating" or some such?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:00
If it does work that way I am literally going out and getting a cawl right now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:01
Ah yea, CotO is "At the start of your turn"
And Cawl's "Works in exactly the same way as CotO"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:02
Damned
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:04
Ok, I know why explodes/wrecked
its fucked and wonkey
but it is consistant
An exploded vehicle does not exist
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:05
Correct
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:05
Wrecked ones have been destroyed and are still there.
Can't Soulburst if something doesn't exist
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:05
Which is why explodes doesn't leave craters anymore
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:08
Also
another point
Any other nearby unit can take a soulburst action
just not the embarked unit whose transport was destroyed
as my buddy put it: "they are too busy dealing with their FUCKING TRANSPORT EXPLODING to worry about doing anything else"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:10
Indeed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:11
Not too much changed in the end - they still seem fun. And it reins in open topped wraithguard bullshit.
because really. I don't want to deal with that.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:12
Ain't nobody got time for that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:12
Oh I know some people that have plenty of time for it -.-
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:12
Even though technically you still can't do it they just have to embark T1
Can*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:13
Yea, just means they cant deploy embarked
I still get turn 1 to kill the transport
because i'm sure as hell not killing 5 WG on turn one.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:13
Unless they go first
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:13
a raider though, that's like paper.
I just don't let that happen.
It's pretty easy. Just smack their dice off the table when they roll for turn 1
then set yours to a 6
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:15
Lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:16
Genius.
KealL
@KealL
Mar 03 2017 14:22
I think it also cements the decision not to put the FW units in the imperium detachments from FOC P1 as the Ynari FAQ clearly states the FW units not listed can't be added.
As in the FAQ also cements*...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:23
Oh yea, I'd already settled on that one - Detachments that list certain units don't get any other
Unless the source states it (death masque for example)
FoC isn't an Imperial Knights army, so it doesn't get FW knights
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:25
However, I do believe that forge world transport options are still viable
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:25
Oh?
Reasoning?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:25
@FarseerVeraenthis those Raven guard things that that guys talking about our from burning Dawn – do you need scans of it?
KealL
@KealL
Mar 03 2017 14:26
I am assuming the reasoning will be "units can take upgrades and transports as normally allowed"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:26
what I mean is units that are selected as dedicate transports for the units that can be selected. So the Razorback infurnus etc. stuff like that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:26
I grabbed the issue - I have the supplement
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:26
Not separate units but the dedicated transports
OK yeah cause I did a quick check and he saying it's from something but I know that's from burning Dawn
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 14:27
it's already available, as simon said on the first bug report
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:28
What book is The infernus in alpha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:29
@GenWilhelm no, the specific special formation he is talking about is not in the cat
The vanilla form is
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 14:30
solaq.png
this one?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:31
I think it's in IA2 too I'll doublecheck
Then it's hiding when it shouldn't be
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:31
Correct Alpha
that's why I grabbed it :p
I knew i'd added it.
Kk
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:32
So, I added it
I never added a link
Dur
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 14:32
just double checking you've selected raven guard as your chapter tactics?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:33
I'm looking at the cat ;)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:33
You can't in a formation attachment
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:33
Wait, I did
watf
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:33
Detachment
You cannot select Legion in formation detachment
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:34
O.o
Yes you can
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:34
How?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:34
Chapter Tactics is No Force Org
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:34
...
Gawd damnit I'm blind
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:35
haha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:35
That's about as bad as you missing power feels
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:35
In fact, I require it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:35
Fields*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:35
Haha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:37
#355
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:38
dear god that's old
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:38
There's the infernus
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:38
Shit Senpai was still active then
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:38
Infernum whatever
Anyway my point is a tech marine can take a Trojan, anything can take an infernum – so in my mind those should be allowed to be included in castellan's
Techpriest*
Not techmarine
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:39
yeah and if you implemented them correctly there's no need to do anything
since they'd be linked to the entry you use in castellans
so whats the fuss?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:40
Even though having Trojans in spacemarine armies would be legit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:40
It's FW
Fuck knows if I did FW right
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:40
Yeah that's the whole argument is it's Forge world
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:40
heck I've commented in that issue
glory to me!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:41
I personally say fuck it forge world everywhere
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:41
Haha how does it feel future Thaire?
That's Past Thairne
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:41
nostalgic. Past-Thairne was a wuss tho
think I was pretty new that time
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:41
This is why it can't be used alpha
same reason FW knights can't be
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:41
about 2-3 weeks in
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:42
Castilans is not a "C:SM, C:BA, C:SW, or C:DA army"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:42
true
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:42
I'd upload a snip
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:42
No the FW knights I understand why not – but the dedicated transports are a whole different animal
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:42
in that case
hide the "show forgeworld" entry
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:42
but Gitter couldn't find a "Bored Instance"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:43
Oh, that is true
Ok - I'm perfectly ok with that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:44
how is armie defined?
*army
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:44
Fast and loose.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:44
Yeah on second thought I'm looking at that – eight you could argue that castellans technically is space Marines as long as it has space Marines in it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:44
you cannot claim its not an army when you can'T define what an army actually is
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:44
You can't claim it is either ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:45
jup
and I'm not doing that
I say: ambigous
allow, but do not enforce
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:45
Joy, FW knights too then :/
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:45
doesnt castellan list the knights?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 14:46
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:46
It does, but FW knights are legal in any IK army
same as these transports.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:46
And they did kind of make that clear with the Ynarri that they are faction eldar and faction Ynarri - so I mean, all the space marine stuff in castellans is still space marine.
Is it exact same wording?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:46
but if it SPECIFICALLY lists the names of the data sheets you cannot simply switch them in without permission
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 14:46
the problem is these FW books were written before factions were a thing
KealL
@KealL
Mar 03 2017 14:47
no FW knights, as it doesn't say an "Imperial Knight from codex Imperial Knights" it say "One of the following:"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:47
I cannot take a Mortis Dread in a Lion's Blade instead of a standard Dread
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:47
So, Castelans lists the knights
KealL
@KealL
Mar 03 2017 14:47
yes it lists them
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:47
then those are pretty clearly limited
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:47
FW says they may be taken in a C:IK army as you would any other knights
Which is the exact same concept as these transports.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:47
you CUOLD take castellans if it listed an oathsworn detachments
yes and no
the concept is the same
but the castellans detachment lists specifically the knights available
it does not list dedicated transports for the units that are allowed in castellans
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:48
The transports are slightly different things though there not taken as a separate unit but as a part of a legal unit
As you would any other type of knight
Knights listed in Castalens are "Any other type of knight"
So, if Castelens is a C:SM army, it is most definately a C:IK army
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:49
well lets look at it that way then
looking at the RAI, I'd definen an army as "detachment from said codex"
is this agreeable?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:50
Yea, that's how i'd interpret "Army"
Or what is your primary detachment's faction
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:50
so if castellans does not list a detachment
but a selection of data sheets that can occupy the LOW slot
it is not an IK army
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:50
Agreed there as well.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:51
that would eliminate all FW options from castellans since it is not a detachment from said codex
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:51
It's also not a C:Whatever army
So yea - no FW
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:51
and would be consistent with other metadetachments
you cannot sub in FW in a Gladius
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:51
Infernus Razorback would be valid in a gladius
but that's irrelivant here
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:52
yes, but you cannot take 1 Mortis Dreadnought isntead of a Dreadnought
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:52
Right
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:52
since that is a different sheet
so there is precedence
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:52
Contemptor is only allowed due to AoF
AoD
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:52
because you got permission there
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:52
And that's the crappy strip down contempt or
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:52
Yep, exactly
Haha yea, that's not the good one from FW
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:53
nope, its the one that gets skyfire if it doesnt move
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:53
So, Thairne laid out my thoughts on FW in Cadia pretty accurately
"No"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:53
So definately no knights. No FW either.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:54
No the contemptor in angels of death is different from the Forge world contemptor's. The rules are all the same it just doesn't have half the options
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:54
so the show forgeworld entry needs to be hidden when instance of castellan
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:54
Yea, rules are the same it just gets like ... 1 option
instead of 5
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:54
Ok - no FW period
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:54
Yea, I'll do that now since i'm in the C:SM
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:54
Kk
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:54
I "Was" gonna dig into Milita :smile:
now i'm fixing SM, then milita
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:54
I personally disagree with it but I agree with the reasoning so I'm good with it
Thank you card to
@Kohato *
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:55
Haha
Card to
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:55
Damn voice to text
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:55
cartagina
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 14:55
so.. you disagree but agree?
how is that possible?
are you a female by any chance?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:56
No a big old fat guy with the beard
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 14:56
right, I'm at work but all caught up... are we happy that the units from Shadow Force Solaq are in the SM CAT, along with the formation...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:56
Yes simon - you were correct
Some people didn't select Chapter Tactics
Wink Wink
Nudge Nudge
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:57
I just know legal stuff – and in this case well I personally disagree I'm going with the rule of (group opinion)law
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 14:57
Hahahahah!!! some people.....
also, I'm fairly certain (I noticed it in the Iyanden supplement last night) that you can only choose units from a single supplement... so if FoC is counted as a supplement, and FW is also counted as a supplement to the original Codex, you can't combine both in the same army...
so FoC + FW Supplement = Not possible
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:59
So ... I never added anything for FOC into SM
Balls
TODO!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 14:59
and, as I understand it, the FW books provide supplemental rules to the original GW Codex...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:59
There was nothing new from fall of quesadilla for space Marines
Or did you mean the relics?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 14:59
I mean the detachment
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 14:59
I'm not even going to correct that voice to text fail because that's awesome
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:00
Relics should be there since they are in GST (though I've not tested shudder)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:00
Wrathful?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 15:00
but you can't take th triumvirate (from FoC) and any other FW unit - because then you'd be using two supplements...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:00
Fall of Quesadilla
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:00
wrathful I put into
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:00
That's fucking amazing
Simon - that's mostly sound
but you can indeed mix codex/supplement
Angels of Death being an example
Angels of Death Supplement can be mixed with FW supplement items in a SM ca
*Cad
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 15:01
I have to go out, I'll continue this chat later :-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 03 2017 15:01
the supplement thing is mostly a tournament restriction
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:02
Yeah that reasoning has been thoroughly debunked. Trust me you're about three years behind – back when metadeachments first started coming out that's what the hard-line anti-Forge world people were trying to argue
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:02
But you're right, you couldn't take the triumvirate and any other FW unit because the triumvirate is it's own detachment :p
People seem to forget (not you, mind) that formations are single detachments on their own when they use BS - partly why I wanted to enforce 1 choice in BS, but performance trumps that.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:03
Anyway @Kohato were you referring to the castellans or Wrathful? Because I put wrathful into.... shit, was it SM?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:03
What is wrathful?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:04
The mini-meta with cel and templars
Technically a formation with options
Wrathful Crusade
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 15:04
is that the on that uses MT?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:04
Pretty sure I put it into space Marines, which is why there are now Tempestus in the space Marines cat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:05
Fuck, I forgot about that one
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:05
Si
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:05
Yea it's in there
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:05
Kk
Thought so
So you only have to implement castellans
I still got to do that on all my cats that apply
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:06
Yea, I'll do that this weekend I think
before I forget
Ok, now onto your milita
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:06
Yey
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:07
so whats borked?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:07
I still support max1 for detachments
The militia/cult link
It has a main one in roster for each one astartes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:08
X militia for x cult thing?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:08
Min1*
I was trying to build a list the other day and it just was not in forcing the must have one more militia
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:11
So this is a combined detachment?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:11
Yes
Pretty much the only combined detachment in 30 K so far
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:12
You cannot include more units from the Legiones Astartes list than from the Imperial Militia list.
This is your main restriction, which prevents you from merely dabbling in Militia units.
That's the only thing you're having issues with?
Just so I know what i'm troubleshooting here
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:13
Correct
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:13
:+1: I'll dig in
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:13
Yes only thing in cat militia
I am however having a problem with the praetor and centurion in CAL but that's a different issue
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:15
"You must include a Space Marine Praetor, Centurion or Consul to be your Warlord."
That?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:15
That's a must select one, but only validates on the centurion not the praetor
Yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:15
hmm ok
i'll take a look
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:15
Kk - it worked for a day and then it stopped so I don't know what happened
Same with the militia thing actually – it worked for a day or two and then shit the bed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:19
Ok. Initial reaction
You're SOL.
I'm not sure what jon changed
BUT I think I can duct tape it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:20
So I did set everything up right
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:20
... I think?
There's a buttload of increments here
I stripped Milita down to nothing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:20
I'll take that lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:20
to test from ground up
The milita squad I mean
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:20
Kk
That explains why at work and then everything shat the bed
It worked*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:22
V13 probably
jon was working on fixing roster conditionals
which means he probably fixed it - which broke our jury riggings
O.o it could also be the fact that I can't find any Legiones Astartes entries in the LA cat file
nvm, there it is
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:34
Something is incrementing the requirement for cult/milita
And I can't find what it is
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:39
There's an increment in cult/militia- it was how I was making it so you always had to have as many militia as astartes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:40
Yea, I took that out
so in legion attack bike, and militia squad - it's simply the entry link
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:40
Ok so there's something else too?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:40
Something outside of that is still incremengint it
yea
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:41
Did you make sure you remove that increment from all the cult/militia units? I think I noticed if it's in one it affects all
Oh that's dirty if it does that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:42
Because I put a min2 in the troops entry on the militia cat and that worked with astartes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:42
Oh that's so dirty
ok i'll try that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:42
At least it did - not sure if it does anymore
Again that whole shit the bed thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:43
It was so much nicer in talons
when things were in 1 cat
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:44
Yeah I know that's why I came to you for this because I'm bashing my head
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:44
ok what the actual fuck
I have no more links to militia/cult
it's still incrementing min somewhere
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:44
Lmao
Check the gst? I don't think I was that dumb?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:45
Nah, but those were hidden
which I swapped
because that's annoying as shit and no reason to hide them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:46
They were hidden because they only apply to AoDC, nothing else
Otherwise you get that dumb checkbox everywhere
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:46
Eh, I just added min/max 1 on them
so it's just there
It lists as an entry at the top of the choice but doesn't do anything
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:47
Ah ok
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:47
Gets rid of the checkbox, and may lead to a lot less conditionals
which is always a good thing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:48
I was doing the set min0 to 1 like @Thairne told me too
Fair
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:48
Yea, that works, It was just getting in the way of my testing :p
Ok, I went through every entry in cults and removed all links to militia/cults except in the squad
oh god it was interacting with all of them
That fixed it
That's so dirty
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:50
Theoretically we only need to constrain one?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:50
Aye, in the GST should work
Fingers crossed
Bingo Bango
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 15:53
Sweet!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:54
But that also makes it require in AoD list.
need to tweak it a bit
Question
Is it legal to have a Legione Astartes list for Dark Compliance
without militia?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 15:59
If no, then it's fixed, and stupidly elegant.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 16:00
No - you need to have militia
Just like you have to have a praetor or cent
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 16:00
perfect. then it's fixed
I moved Militia/Cult into the CAL cat.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 16:01
Really?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 16:01
Yep.
Only Legionnes needs to be in GST
since Cult increments based on that
and not the other way around
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 16:01
Ok makes sense
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 16:01
I also incremented directly on that entry
so you dont' have any more interactions on everything
Essentially, it now looks like talons.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 16:02
Cool!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 16:02
Small catch
I no longer remember which units had militia.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 16:03
I put it on everything save the Gorgon
Because that's the only thing that's not a separate unit entry
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 16:04
Alright
Also.
I might break Legions cat
Lets find out
(I'm going to mass remove all links to Legiones Astartes and then re-add them at once to remove the un-needed conditionals)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 16:05
:+1:
Would it also makes logical sense to link the Legiones astartes rules to that entry?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 16:06
Sure
Since i'm forcing it on every legion unit anyway
That's a good idea
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 16:06
Ok - I thought about it initially, but with how I was doing it I didn't think it would work
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 16:06
I'll do that at the same time
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 16:07
:+1:
Bobby's rules.
Here they are boys.
SD sword 6 attacks, at I6, on a non gargantuan
Oh, and he can resurrect like Celestine ... but has no limit on it
just a 4+ roll
And gets 6 BRB warlord traits.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 16:58
bascially the same stat line as magnus
whats the point of daemonhood again?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 17:16
im curious to know what the full Touch of the Emperor rule is
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 17:17
Just sd
Whirlwind of flame is the one below it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 17:18
yeah the whirlwind is pretty obvious
attacks with this weapon with ??? are strength D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 17:20
Yea. It'll be interesting. Time to pre-implement him
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 17:21
maybe a to-hit roll of 6?
like old rending
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 17:24
That makes a lot of sense
I missed the 2nd "with"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 17:39
Oh god gulliman just one shotted scarbrand
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 17:39
Jesus
Welcome to the primarch age
Any idea on points?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 17:40
1 hit, 12 wounds
D baby
I guess is probably exactly the same as 30 K gulliman
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 17:42
Was it d on 6 to hit
Or just straight d
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 17:43
Not sure - but it wasn't gulliman charging
They messed up - skarbrand charged offa DS
D on 6's
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 17:51
Nice
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 18:11
Rowboat rules disappeared? (this is my unsurprised face)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 18:12
?
They're still there
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Mar 03 2017 18:13
My phone is refusing to load the page...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 18:14
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 19:06
@GenWilhelm looks like wolves is broke again
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 03 2017 19:27
just confirmed fallen "army" on stream
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 19:28
Very likely a detachment for the Fallen, and one for the Ultramarines
and possibly a 3rd for GK
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 22:32
Yeah that was at like 8 o'clock this morning
zopha
@zopha
Mar 03 2017 22:34
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 23:12
Anyone happen to have a digital version of it?
Our friendly australian buddy has yet to post it :(
But did post the new stormcast book :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 03 2017 23:14
digital version of it? what?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 23:18
biel tan
So I don't have to keep going to the imgur album :p
maybe?
yes
youre welcome
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 03 2017 23:40
you a sexy bitch
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