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15th
Mar 2017
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 09:22
lol

it's true...
Guiliman can be taken in any AoI yes?
He is a LoW, yes?
So... You could take an Oathsworn detachment and bring Bobby in an IK Detachment

BOBBY IN A WAR CONVO

lol

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 15 2017 10:32
dont the IK detachments specify Imperial Knights Faction, rather than any LoW?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 12:45
That's true, but Rise of the Primarch says "Any"
Which trumps which
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 15 2017 12:58
oh yeah, RotP says they can go in any AotI detachment "regardless of their faction".
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 12:58
But in a simlar vein
what about Castellens
That isn't faction based, it's specific model based
but still, "Any" is "any"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 15 2017 13:01
yeah, I would say it's pretty hard to argue that Castellens isnt an AotI detachment
but then, like a formation, it's got an exclusive list of units that may be used
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 13:03
Righto
what trumps what.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 13:37
well if we keep with it.. Cawl, Celestine and Greyfax set the precedent. They can be used in CAD and AD. They fill the Force Org and therefore are allowed.
Castellans says "you can use this". Bobby could be used in the detachment as an option by itself, but Castellans says "well yeah, but only these here are actually allowed". So he is an option, but you'd violate castellans restriction.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 13:38
Fair
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 13:40
Knights indeed does say "must have IK Faction"
Bobby says "regardless of faction".
So a direct rules conflict. Usually specific beats general... Codex overrides BRB. So one could claim specific model rules override codex rules? But doesn't feel that right...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 13:48
Yea, it doesn't ....
They did so well with no faq needed for Biel Tan ...
but this one is a bit of a pickle
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 14:44
my gut says that IK is the same reason as castellan. He would be an option and can be included although he has a different faction.
however the detachment has a specific rule that you'd violate if you include Robot.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 15 2017 14:48
but the rules that let you include him say to disregard faction, so the restriction isnt violated since it is faction-based
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 14:49
yes, but the faction thing is usually about having the same faction in the same detachment
so you can have cawl in a non-CM-CAD
IK says "must have IK" and Robot does not have faction "IK". You have a direct rules conflict at best
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 14:50
So you look at it this way then
IK is being violated
Roboute is not
invalid list
but adding him to a CAD of say dark angels, the only restriction there is a LOW slot
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 14:51
exactly
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 14:51
BRB is what says factions must match - which supplement and codex overwrite
so Roboute is valid
CAD is valid
valid army
IK/Castellans is different as they are both codex/supplements
Which do not overwrite each other
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 14:52
spot on
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 14:52
Yea, I'm with that logic.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 14:53
to further I'd argue that you do not gain permission to simply dismiss the IK Faction requirement
you only get permission to include him at all
which is then cockblocked by the IK Faction requirement
and the RAI is somewhat divineable (is that even a word?) having Robot in a Oathsworn Detachment of Knights...I honestly cannot see them FAQing that in
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 14:55
Yea ... that's just dumb
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 17:16
I'd like to leave this here for you all
You'll thank me later.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 17:17
lmao
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 17:17
2 week marathon. All 831 episodes
just started season 2 a couple hours ago
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 17:39
What... no. This... no that is too much 90s! SO MUCH 90s!!!
THE CLOTHING! MY EYES! THE BURN!
ZE GOOGLES! ZEY DO NOTHING!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 17:41
You're welcome
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 17:42
the special effects... gods.. is there noone that can press the stop button?!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 17:42
Best part
Yellow ranger is a man in the fight scenes that the US took from the old Super Sentai footage
The twitch chat is gold too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 17:43
why is this hapenninnnng to meeehehehheheheee....
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 19:33
Ok this is odd.
I'm trying to do castellans for SM
Whenever I put an entry link to "HQ" from the GST, and then add a min in parent constraint, java freezes
well, doesn't freeze - but the detail window does
just started happening on the new version
.15 - can anyone confirm?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 15 2017 19:40
not happening for me
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 15 2017 19:40
Huh, odd - i'll reinstall BS
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:06
It has begun.
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:07
Oh yeah your chainsword
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:08
Actually, it already has progressed :P
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so far it is really easy to assemble. Chain is next tho.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:08
I was sitting her for 3 min trying to figure out wtf it was
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:09
is it not obvious? You should recognize a tool of purging when you see it!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:12
The first pic looked like a paint rack my buddy assembled, tbf lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:20
Ive gotta ask that guy if he does boltpistols too :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:21
If he does, LMK and gimme info
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:21
get a chainsword first, scrub! Harden up in the fires of melee!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:21
I'm looking to do a BA foam armor, and an inquisitor
Both mean bolt pistol lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:21
I've made forrays into foamcrafting already
its bloddy difficult
expect failure upon failure.. then fail some more ;)
at least with helmets. Sodding helmets. I hate helmets.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:22
Helmet I was planning to do hard, not foam
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:23
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At some point I gave up. The sword might reinvigorate my desire
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:23
But I've been following punished props and frank ippolito pretty closely so I have a pretty good idea what I'm getting into
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:23
hard? how?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:24
Resin casting
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:24
weighty
always remember the weight
especially on your head
but if you do it - cast one for me too1
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:26
and how do you get the template for the cast?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:29
I was going to make that out of plaster and silicone
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:29
that will be difficult. Getting the proportions etc. right...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:30
Eh I've done worse - I use to make stuff out of clay and cast
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:31
in that case
I repeat, cast two :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:31
Plan is to start out with a plain bike helmet and first use that as a form, then build up from there
Lol will do
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:31
would that not get bulky?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:32
I'll even restrain myself and not sculpt in blood drops everywhere lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:33
I hope so. Otherwise NO SALE! :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:33
The initial master to make the mould would be - but once I make the first cast it shouldn't be bad
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:34
well GL then... I know I desire such stuff, but am hard pressed to actually do it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:36
I understand - once I discovered foamcraft armor the idea of making marine plate got much easier
I have a buddy that made a cadian outfit out of actual sheet metal
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:36
the idea yes
but even with the pepakura templates its not easy if you lack the talent
oh cmon
now you'Re trying to depress me
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:37
Lol - it looks like shit and it's heavy as fuck
I'm actually friends with two Mandolarian Mercs - after my Inq costume is done that's probably the next project - but that will be out of sheet aluminum
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:39
once I get my CS assembled and whirring I'll have to resume work on the next helmet.
and adopt my new approach I use with the sword

tctautca!

think - check - think again - understand - think - check - assemble

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:41
:+1:
:shipit:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Mar 15 2017 22:47
helps greatly compared to "I think this goes here.. yeah. glues Well fuck, that was wrong. How do I....?!"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 22:53
Want to know a trick I've learned from the storm trooper builders?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 15 2017 23:01
E6000 glue - it's a good strong glue, but it's not a hard glue (re: cyanoacrylate or plastic cement) so if you mess up, you can peel it apart carefully
Not sure if it's available in Germany – the other good one is a type of uhu – just I don't remember which type of Uhu