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29th
Mar 2017
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 00:25
@cartag A buddy of mine just asked how does the purge from SOV2e work?
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 00:26
It can be either CSM or R&H, not both, only Nurgle.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 00:27
Is there something specifically that says not both?
I'm asking cause I have no clue and usually this guy I'm talking to is pretty on top of stuff
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 00:33
I was looking at this earlier today. It says all units in the detachment must have R&H or CSM faction, but does not have a rule that overrides the BRB rule of all units in a detachment must have the same faction.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 00:35
So because it says or, and doesn't say both may be taken in one detachment, that's what we're going with?
Just making sure I understand the explanation
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 00:37
Yeah, you need specific permission to ignore the BRB rules, which it doesn't give.
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 00:48
bringing up my pdf
actually... both should be allowed in the same detachment now that I look at it closer
Under Restrictions of every other detachment I've randomly spot checked it says all units have to be part of X faction, and only listing one. The BRB does not state that all detachments have to be all the same faction, just that the ones mentioned (CAD and AD) have to
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 00:55
Biel-Tan says "Only the datasheets listed here may be included in this Detachment" then proceeds to list ones from three different dexes
He's right, you can bring both R&H and CSM in the same detachment. I have zero clue how I'd implement that though.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 00:56
r&h?
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 00:57
Renegades & Heretics
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 00:57
oh
isnt the csm backend already a cluster fuck?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 00:57
Maybe look how @Kohato implemented AoDC in HH?
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 00:57
Only because we have a myriad of options that all influence other things, it's the most complicated one right now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 00:57
Even though most of that was just the more militia then LA units nonsense
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 00:58
I have never looked at the renegades rules. what allowes them to be in a CSM detachment?
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 00:58
nothing does, there's a special detachment
The Purge from Vraks v2
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:00
oh
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:01
blob
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:02
lol, gets hot flamer
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:03
with Shred
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:03
yeah
plague marines with that? thats a bet
so that sucks. its another multi codex detachemtn
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:04
right now in the CSM file we have CSM, Traitor's Hate, Traitor Legions, Wrath of Magnus, Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter, two IA books, and dataslates
Detachments from four books, I think 12 special detachments total
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:05
yeah, but all of them modify the base book. that is just adding in renegades
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:05
Most units can be modified on stats depending on mark, or restricted completely to one army or another. Sometimes the marks are mandatory, sometimes VotLW is
I WISH we would get legions as separate books
and Blood Oath
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:08
i mean, they kinda are now since traitor legion stated you can only be from one of the nine. no mixing black legion with others now
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:08
there's one I'm forgetting though, I just know it...
But I still have to have functionality in for all nine of them
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:09
what to IA books are in there?
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:10
If I could have AL, BL, DG, EC, IW, NL, TS, WB, and WE as separate books I'd do it in a heartbeat
13 and Vraks 2
13 is just for Chaos
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:11
question: is it possible now? and would it make it easier?
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:11
IA13 added in the Legacies of Ruin, which still aren't implemented properly. Too many different variations on which go on which
The hard part's already fucking done
let me rephrase, if I could have set those up as separate books I'd have done it in a heartbeat
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:12
my questions still stand
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:13
There's no point in doing it now
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:13
why not?
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:13
Because all the programming work to put everything in there and set up all the modifiers and constrictions are already in and it's functional
SM have it easy, half of their legions are their own books already
chapters, sorry
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 01:14
To split it now would require recoding everything, right?
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:14
^
Exactly
considering I'm not even playing 40k and haven't since July or earlier, I fail to see the point in me doing all that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:15
i never said it would be easy
im just aking can it be done well
asking
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:15
That is kind of a stupid question, because you can set up anything as its own data file.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:16
i didnt know if all the validations would be easy since the CSM backend sounds like a cluster fuck
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:16
So yes, simple answer it could be done. But I'm not going to.
Just drop it, you're barking up a tree that will get you nowhere
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 01:16
With enough disposable time, sure - but I don't think anyone wants to make that sort of time commitment when it's not at all necessary
Please don't piss the @cartag off, we still need him
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:17
it is a lot of data to redo. to do it quickly would take 3 or 4 ppl
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 01:18
Chaos tentacles and bloodlust and all ;)
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:18
Or one me.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Mar 29 2017 01:18
im not trying to piss him off, just get information
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 01:19
If you wonder why I'm picky about nobody messing with the CSM file, this is why. Right now it's a clusterfuck that is set up how it is because that's the only way it can all be in one file in the current version of BS.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 29 2017 03:21
I suppose you could put the legions in their own cat's the same way you could put SM chapters in their own cats.
But you'd have so much duplication
and not to mention user confusion
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 03:22
I have no plans to separate it out
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 29 2017 03:22
If we ever get cross-cat linking, then yes - it'd be the time to re-do things to support that
I wouldn't expect that, i think it'd be a huge effort for little, if any gain
cartag
@cartag
Mar 29 2017 03:24
There wouldn't be any gain at all
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 09:56
does anyone have the flesh tearers supplement? black library is down and there's a bunch of fan-made stuff confusing things somewhat
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:07
I have it iirc
It's all out of Shield of Baal
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:08
its more recent than that
shield of baal is 2014, flesh tearers is 2016
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:09
It was republished as a separate, but everything was in SoB
Trust me, blood angels player lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:10
okay, thats why nobody has the recent one then
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:10
Yup
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:10
ty for the link btw
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:10
Because it was just copy-paste separated
Np - I think I actually have the FT dex - but I'd have to redownload it from BL
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:12
#3607 is claiming there's new stuff in the "newest update"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:19
I'll redownload once BL is back up
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:19
thanks man
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:24
I'm thinking you're right though, OP is confused by the fandex
It's pretty, and well done, but a fandex.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:26
yeah, when i searched the cruor it came up with the bolter and chainsword stuff with "UNOFFICIAL FANMADE" plastered across it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:26
If we did fandexes, I'd be putting up the KompletelyKroot fandex in a heartbeat
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:26
nah man, we need monstrous sized vespids
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:29
Lol
The KK dex is pretty good so far
It's not quite done yet
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:30
is it one you're working on?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:31
Helping with, yes
Wow not even the mega I pull from has FT
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:34
yeah, i checked a couple of those. the ones i use just have the white dwarf formation as the only thing under flesh tearers
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 10:47
this Kroot Kodex is pretty great
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 10:48
Yeah I know - it's balanced nicely
zopha
@zopha
Mar 29 2017 13:19
Shadow Wars rules if anyone is intrested - http://imgur.com/a/IuBfy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 16:36
@GenWilhelm confirmed- OP is talking about a fandex
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 16:38
Good stuff, thanks for following up on that.
I'll comment on the issue when I get home. If you haven't already that is.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 16:41
Done, closed, and tagged
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Mar 29 2017 16:50
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 29 2017 16:51
God damn people can be dumb. Why isn't a fake codex unit in here?!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Mar 29 2017 16:53
Apparently from the deeper digging I've done it's a decently accepted fandex
As in most of FT players out there seem to use it whenever they can
Then again, TBH, if I knew the kroot dex was widely accepted, I'd use it a lot too
Oh god the new regimental standard is so good
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Mar 29 2017 17:07
I love the cosmo from adepticon
From commoragh