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3rd
Apr 2017
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:06
anybody got any experience playing against guilliman?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:06
Shoot him off the board, stay far far away from melee.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:06
so scatter lasers and heavy burst cannons
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:07
D blasts work too.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:07
dont have any in my list unfortunately
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:07
no WK in an eldar list?
I don't know what to say
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:07
its got the sword/shield
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:09
Well then ... a shit load of scat lasers I suppose.
Wounding on 4s, you'll eventually have him roll 6 1s I suppose.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:09
oh ive got the pulse hornets aswell
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:09
followed by 6 4-s
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:10
Or no tigershark?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:10
the tau part is literally a couple of riptides and a pathfinder team
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:10
Tigershark ax10
Lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:10
No riptide wing?!
I'm so so so confused by this taudar list.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:11
CAD + AD is the restriction
otherwise i would have a second knight instead
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:11
Got any SS?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:11
SS?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:12
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Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:12
Or Taunar
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:12
a second LoW?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:12
No. If you have a SS (preferrably 2) You go Tau CAD and Eldar Allied
Drop the WK is what I mean.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:13
list is already submitted
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:13
Sword and Board WK needs to get in and dirty with things. He should not get in and dirty with Bobby
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:13
which is how i know i will be faacing guilliman
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:13
Well what's your list?
Standard WK/Skat Bikes/Farseer?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:14
farseer + conclave, 15 scatterbikes, 2 pulse hornets, WK, riptides, pathfinders, minimum strik team + fireblade
and its a Ynnari CAD cos yea it that tourney
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:15
Is the strike team tax?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:15
yeah its the min 1 troop for the AD
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:15
Go farsight
right you submitted list
damn
Umm, yea I guess. Pulse laser AP2?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:17
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:18
Direct all pulse at guilliman. Get your WK in combat with someone asap (away from bobby)
Run interference with the strike team and scat bikes if you have to
clean up things from 30~ inches with riptides
You should have no issue saving your riptides from CC with him
but if he gets to the WK, it could be bad.
Not garaunteed, since only D on 6s, but he goes first.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:20
but he's still str 10, so wounding on 2+
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:20
yea :(
Oh.
Concussion
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:20
hmm?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:20
He has it, but as far as I know, he should be succeptilble to it
You don't have anything to drop his I in that list though right?
Could try to get him to charge through difficult terrain
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:22
are ther any psychic powers that can help?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:22
He has adamantium will
just fyi
um, that Ynnari have?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:23
yeah, if i roll a 2 for my WL trait i can choose powers instead of generating them
so invis is a given
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:23
Gaze of Ynnead probably
S10 AP1, no nInvuln saves
but only a 12" range
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:24
wc3?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:24
Ancestor's grace can get +1 Init on your WK
Actually, yea.
WK is I5 right?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:24
4 i think
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:24
Oh :(
and yea, gaze is wc3
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:25
no, youre right its 5
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:25
Go for Ancestor's gRace
+1 A, I, WS, BS, LD
You'll roll at the same time
he may die, but so will bobby with +1A on a D weapon coming in at him
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:26
but if i trade theres a 50/50 of him coming back
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:26
Fuck right, forgot about that
Well, you can risk that
or ignore him entirely
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:28
yeah, i was thinking ignore him and go for objectives
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:28
be mindful of him, and try to stay out of 24" (a lot harder to do than say), and for sure stay out of 18" so he can't charge you
but if you are careful with movement (and because that TO is a moron), you have plenty of move with soulburst.
take Word of the Phoenix
to grant a soulburst to someone
  • jet pack move with the riptides
(plus)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:29
yeah, jet pack with everything
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:30
Does he have Vanguard Vets with him?
If so, don't even bother shooting at him
oh wait, he won't
CAD only
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:31
no, he has ironclads, stormravens and a unit of grav cents with a drop pod
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:31
That will be ... annoying
Use scatbikes to get rear shots on the ironclads, Get your WK into melee with the grav cents asap
Grav is a bitch vs GMC :(
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:32
yeah
was planning to EWO the cents
hope to rend them down
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:33
And hope you don't kill yourself :(
I really hate Nova charge outside of a wing
it hurts me way too often for some reason
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:33
ECPA
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:34
he's not Farsight :(
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:34
reason #4311325 why if you're running any excessive amounts of suits you run FSE
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:34
Oh trust me, I know
My tau army is farsight all the way
I have a very minimal amount of blue bodies
But I do have a shieldwall
because it's fun
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:35
i'm actually thinking about selling most of my non-suit units - i have so many FW and i so rarely use them.
it is indeed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:35
My dream is to succeed in cover saves from "Hurl" from an IK
and then reflect that shot back at him
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:36
that would be awesome
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 12:36
and imagine a tank bouncing off an energy field like a rubber band back at an IK
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:36
all hail michaelcthulu
i'm watching his gunblade build - so good.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:45
alright, thanks for the advice. I'll let you know how it goes :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 12:45
@GenWilhelm is your seer council mounted??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:45
always
gotta get that shrouded jink
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 12:46
righto, so all your weapons outrange his, outmaneuver, keep the seers near the other bikes for buffs and just gun him to bits
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:48
the only other thing i worried about is target priority on the turn he drops off the dreads
do i shoot the raven while theyre hovering or try to stop the dreads?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 12:50
with little skyfire in your list you should take advantage of the hover turn to kill the raven while you can
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:50
why would he hover?
he doesn't have to hover to drop from a raven
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 12:51
really...?! that's pretty sick...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:51
really? i didnt see that in the rules for it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:52
... you're talking to a BA player - i learned to use and abuse the Raven long before SM had acess to it.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:52
but im asking where is it written?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:52
Skies of Fury
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 12:52
(damn caps lock...) heheheh! the difference for me is I don't know the rules for it in the first place, and that sounds crazy :-)
although, damn cool
I want those rules for my Corvus...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:53
i thought i had the same as grav chutes where you can move more than 6" to deep strike them in
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 12:53
or I want a stormraven
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:54
yeah that's what i mean.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 12:54
so it still has to hover for them to disembark?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 12:54
...if you want to charge i guess?
i don't see the vaule of it though - never did when i played raven heavy either
value*
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 13:00
oh its in the faq
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 13:15
I just searched "skies of fury"... jeez... more like keyboards of fury, some forums are full of very angry keyboard warriors!!
so, back to the original question, I'd change my answer, shoot what you can hit reliably first, worry about everything else once that's dead :smile:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 13:16
yeah looks like they wont be hovering after all
i guess ill have to get luck with markerlights if the riptides get bored with bobby
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 13:17
I'm not certain how much of an army-wide buff bobby will be in practice, but if you kill everything else first he will have nothing to buff...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 13:18
mostly worried about his D coming to wreck my riptides/wk
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 13:18
from my point of view, shooting the things you can kill/permanently damage effects the utility of the opponent's army
everything you have can run away faster than he can catch up :-)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 13:20
execpt those poor fire warriors :'(
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 13:20
"for the greater good"
:wink:
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 13:22
I'll make sure ynnead is the greatest good they ever know
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 13:24
ah, that too... does soulburt only apply to the death of Eldar units??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 13:25
soulbust is from any unit being destroyed
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 13:27
that's pretty hardcore then!!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 13:28
yeah, absorbing the souls of tyranids, necrons, and sentry turrets is pretty impressive
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 13:47
hmmm... soulless aliens, soulless robots, and, well, robots...
perhaps it's the machine spirit...
still doesn't explain tyranids :-(
sounds a little chaotic to me :-P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 13:49
the twin of slaanesh is chaotic? that sounds like heresy to me
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 13:50
who'd have thunk it?!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 14:02
also, thanks @flakpanda for doing that Deathwatch bug, I hoped to have time for it over the weekend, but I didn't...
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 03 2017 17:49
np @FarseerVeraenthis. tbh i only noticed it because i was asigned it
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 03 2017 19:05
Groovy :smile: that's why I assigned you, in case you had time for a little twiddle...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 21:24
welp, guilliman died turn 2 and stayed down
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 03 2017 21:25
lol,damn
what killed him
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 21:25
9 scatterbikes, 2 riptides and a pathfinder team
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 03 2017 21:26
it erks my, becuase Cawl is a Infantry IC
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 03 2017 21:26
yeah and not fearless
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 03 2017 21:27
you almost have to play the victrix guard formation with him to get look out sir rolls
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 03 2017 21:47
@Kohato #3617 please explain it to him
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 03 2017 22:12
it is kinda confusing. You replace the power fists with frag cannons
but the option is inside power fists
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 03 2017 22:12
…that a odd design choice