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10th
Apr 2017
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 00:10
Lol 24 hours
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 00:22
Good point lol
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 00:37
:laughing:
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 03:35
Request #2 so far today for the SM file
I wonder if they honestly think we've forgotten about SM for the SWA repo
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 03:36
I'm putting finishing touches on it currently
Got called into work to fix some stuff and Just got home about 20 minutes ago
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 03:59
I will try and test that iphone error after I get the space marine cat done
Benefits of having an iphone and android :D
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 04:01
I'm just gonna throw this out there... user error :)
I have an iphone
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 04:02
Its better to at least test it and check first :wink:
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 04:02
I was able to make a list on my phone not five minutes ago
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 04:03
okay
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 05:08
Just finishing up checking space marines for errors
and I will commit it
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 05:23
okay, now time to see If I can find any errors and fix em. Then I will prep a release! :shipit:
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 06:09
Well, I've gone through and used as many options as I could. Fixed what I found. Gonna make a release in about an hour if anyone has anything else they would like to commit before then lemme know.
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 07:16
Is there a room for SWA?
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 07:25
Nope
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 07:25
Can I help at all? Few suggestions also
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 07:26
Sure, I was about to push the next release. But if you have a few suggestions before that go for it
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 07:27
OK so initial one is just regarding stats, in the rules you can add +1 STR / +1 T for example be good to get those so they add to the attributes section
I looked on the tyranid one and couldnt see that
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 07:28
Yeah, I have that on my todo list. Right now we just want to a get a release out with all the factions. Since our current release is about 14 commits behind. Which include a lot of fixes.
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 07:28
Sure, anything I can help with?
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 07:29
If you want to try to get the stat adjusting done on Nids that would be cool. But I'm going to get this release and some of the open issues resolved. Then get some sleep 3:30am and I need to be up in about 6 hours for work.
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 07:30
lol thats commitment right there. No worries on the release, I am happy to work on the nids one and submit for next time
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 07:41
I've had access to the rules since last Sunday (2nd) and over the last week I've put in between 25-30 hours myself. Not sure how many hours Wilhelm put in, but he was helping for about 5 days as well making files.
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 07:41
Just looking through the files now, incredible achievement
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 07:42
My first files for Battlescribe I ever made. Though I have a friend in real like who made BS files for Grim Dark future for one page. So he helped me get going.
Some of my first files are kinda messy. But I will clean them up later
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 07:42
haha I made the beastclaw ones for AOS, they were my first and it was a mess!
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 07:45
Release is done, I'm off to get at least some sleep before work :D
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 07:45
Good night!
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 08:53
Seems like you would be able to update all of the attributes except the movement one (as it isnt numeric its text based)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 09:16
Increment/Decrement wouuldn't work, but you could set it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 09:21
you're selling off the angels?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 09:45
Only part - that's like maybe 30% of my BA
Mostly stuff I'm either replacing with MKIV or that i don't plan on ever actually finishing
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 09:46
Ah, gotcha. Making room for more contemptors :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 09:47
Lol you keep telling yourself that
I have 60 MKIV bodies in progress- 50 are getting jump packs and assault arms
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 10 2017 10:11
That's a lot of chainswords...!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 10:17
Only 30 - 20 of the jump bastards are gunna be destroyers - double pistols and rad grenades (makes my opponent -1t in cc)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 10 2017 10:22
Oh, handy grenades indeed...!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 10:41
Indeed - especially when the BA Legion special rule is I always wound in cc on one less then normal - so 3's to wound against normal marines ;)
So 2's vs t3 ;)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 10 2017 11:34
That's very nasty...!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 11:35
does that count for ID too?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 11:37
Yup
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 13:22
I've updated the gstz file for SWA to include global attribute changes and updated tyranid_warrior_Kill_Team.cat not sure how to push it though (im new to gh)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 13:30
you probably need to fork the repo, update the files on your fork, then submit a pull request to apply the changes to the main repo
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 13:31
OK thanks
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 13:32
make sure the files are not in the compressed format (compressed files have a z at the end - gstz or catz) and they have the exact same name as the original files on the repo (ie. spaces instead of underscores)
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 13:32
OK let me see if I can submit this change now
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 10 2017 13:35
holds breath
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 13:40
and breathe
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 10 2017 13:48
:+1: :shipit:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 14:47
Whelp, I need help
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That, in THEORY should do the following. If it is a Strike Force detachment, it should require both of those options, unless the other one is selected.
Each "Less than 1" is "Force and Child Selections" and "Shared"
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But, i'm still getting the requiment error
In related news. I abhor Badab
almost as much as cadia
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 14:52
next up on fuck this shit: FW does mega-detachments
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 14:54
And now it works fine for one of the two
despite them being the same.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 14:58
looks like the same bug as #3649
works if you validate on only one of them
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 14:59
Nope
Similar, but It's odd
THIS conditional works 100%.
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It requires both until I select Sons of Medusa
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THIS conditional does not. It requires both at all times.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 15:03
I copied what you've got there and they both work independently, but when theyre both in neither of them work
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:03
O.o
well ... wtf
Latest BS seems to be buggy
As per the norm :/
Well, I fixed it with duct tape
because there's nothing better than a duct tape fix
Sons of Medusa is now only Req 1 if "Show FW" is taken.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 15:11
but does it still have min 1 if you select iron hands?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:13
Yea :(
if you do , and Show FW is also taken
It looks like it's taking the first XML option and ignoring the rest
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 15:15
have you tried messing about with the "shared" property?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:16
yea
oh god
I made it dirty
but it works
oh god its so dirty
and I hate it
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So, I have each chapter properly typed as an "Upgrade"
Except these two.
Which are now "Units"
Have I said yet how much I want custom tags
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 15:22
there's a fine line between genius and insanity
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:22
Now guess what I'm gonna do to the UM successors.
"Model"!
Because if I do unit for those too, it breaks again
and if badab 8th edition gives us yet another chapter that uses it's parent's tactics, I give up
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 15:32
@david_jobling_twitter @VisionHeavy, I'm getting lots of broken links in the Tyranids CAT, is that just me?
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 15:32
I will check it, resolving the Necron issue atm
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:33
Oh, Armageddon
was like wat?
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 15:33
:trollface:
Yeah it looks like the advancing stuff that BSDataAnon did isnt working
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:35
What's that? A user who doesn't bother to register to continue a conversation didn't have anything working?
This is my shocked face.
You can't see it because it doesn't exist.
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 15:36
@david_jobling_twitter Hey it looks like your Advancement stuff has a ton of broken links. Going to roll it back for now
Nevermind, figured it out. Fixing it and syncing it. Along with fix for issue #0013 for SWA
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 15:42
i got very confused for a second when i clicked that issue
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 15:42
yeah it pulls from the 40k one
that one
errr BSData/wh40k-shadow-war-armageddon#13
that one
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 15:45
what was the issue in the tyr cat?
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 15:45
The links for the advancement system got messed up for some reason.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:48
OK, SM bugs are closed, albeit with duct tape for a few
People need to stop playing SM so much
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 15:48
:laughing:
Not GW's most popular faction at all :p
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:49
Ya know, without badab
I'd have a good deal less bitching about RAI for a supplement from 6th edition :/
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 15:50
well the rules were written earlier than that, but were "updated" to fit 6th ed
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:50
Yea
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 15:50
Heh - 3 words - crusade army list.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 15:51
and this is from FW, well know for their consistent rules
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:51
Sounds like a convoluted mess of a list @alphalas
Who maintains it :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 15:51
As much as I look forward to 8e, I'm just wondering how the hell FW's wonky rules apply to age of emperor
lol you're gunna rewrite it soon - if you ever get around to it.
Part of the issue is @zopha, @capitaladot, and myself are just constantly band-aiding the praetor/Cent
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 15:53
I do wonder what 8th will do to 30k
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 15:53
@GenWilhelm commited the fix for those broken links in SWA tyranids
zopha
@zopha
Apr 10 2017 15:54
It'll make Box Dreads king of the table! (maybe not)
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 15:54
Anyways, I'll be around if I need to fix any more issues. But Gotta actually do some work stuff :laughing:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 15:55
Oh I'd love boxdreads and contemptors to be viable
I'd run the shit out of fury of the ancients - just don't think I could do BA with it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 16:00
@VisionHeavy do all factions have access to these advance attributes?
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 16:06
Yup
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 16:10
cool, I'll open an issue so we can track which faction have it
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 16:12
Ok. It's rolled in the same roll as skills. Everyone except new recruits can get them.
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 16:57
I will work on a few of the factions later today.
fixed BSData/wh40k-shadow-war-armageddon#15
:thumbsup:
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 17:42
I messed up a little bit, fixed it though ;-;
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 17:49
yeah, need to be careful when changing shared stuff. especially in the gst
Zach
@VisionHeavy
Apr 10 2017 17:50
Yup, noticed that. I checked all categories to link errors and fixed them
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 17:50
cool
~ David Jobling
@david_jobling_twitter
Apr 10 2017 20:25
I added a section to the main file to enable users to track the progress of their recruits to a max of 2 (at 3 they become troopers)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 10 2017 21:59
right then boys and girls, on a WH40K note, my BS fu is obviously lacking... per #3649 can someone have a look at the Grey Knights file and tell me why those apparently perfectly good and reasonable conditionals aren't working...?
I hope this is not indicative of a wider bug, for example, the same as @Kohato experienced with Space Marines and their (Stupid!!) Chapter Tactics
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:08
I'm guessing because you can't validate on selection of "Troops"
Like that
that's why we did shared entries for castellans
I'm fixing it now
Curious who implemented that, @alphalas ?
Conditional trees are ... not right
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:16
I don't remember?
Maybe?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:16
I assumed not after I saw the conditional trees
Just saw your name on the credits
Set min to 0 If X, then Or If X
In the same tree :/
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:17
Idk scroll back through the bugreps - I'm sure there was one where we discussed it at length
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:17
Hah
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:17
Because I know that's when I got into a discussion about collective vs non w/ @amis92
With me firmly on the non side
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:18
O.o for Daemonhunter Strike Force?
How would collective factor into that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:18
No for terms, paladins, and squads
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:18
Ohh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:19
I still want to rewrite that cat - all the squads are collective when iirc each dudesmen can have a different weapon
At least for terms/pala
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Apr 10 2017 22:19
in GK?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:19
Oh god dammit
This stupid conditional bug is here
It wasn't causing the bugrep, but it's impacting my fix -.-
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 22:21
I've got a rules question that just came up in one of my games
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:21
Oh this goan be gud.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Apr 10 2017 22:21
The setup of GK termies/palas is not very intuitive but allows to precisely set up each and every one model.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 22:21
a wave serpent gets hit by a D weapon
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:21
Your circle's rulings are like popcorn for me (lol Ynnari CAD)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 22:21
D rolls a 2-5
wave serpent rolls a 2+ for its shield
how many hull points does the serpent take?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:22
None afaik
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 22:22
serpent shield downgrades a pen to a glance
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:22
Oh
Oh not the invuln one
Same number of hull points as normal
but with a glancing hit instead of a pen hit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 22:23
D3?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:23
Aye
"D3 Hull Points w/ a Pen hit"
Not D3 pen hits
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 22:23
its a pen that causes d3
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:23
Yea
So, it'd then be downgraded to a glance.
Nothing regarding the D3 would be changed.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 22:23
but the serpent is no longer taking the pen
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Apr 10 2017 22:23
Yeah it's kinda not obvious
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:24
I still want to say D3 HP
Nothing on the Wave serpent says a glancing hit reduces damage taken
in fact, nothing in the BRB says that either
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:25
I agree with @Kohato
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:25
It is simply now a glancing hit instead of a pen hit.
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Apr 10 2017 22:26
I agree too, but I see the semi-grey area
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:26
It's an undefined interaction, among the myriad of others in this game.
So, i reverse my stance actually
And in so doing hate eldar even more
"If a glancing hit was scored, the vehicle loses 1 Hull Point."
"If a penetrating hit was scored, the vehicle not only loses 1 Hull Point, but also suffers additional damage"
Str D 2-5: "The model suffers a penetrating hit that causes it to lose D3 Hull Points instead of 1"
"All penetrating hits inflicted against the front or side armour of a vehicle equipped with a serpent shield are downgraded to glancing hits on a D6 roll of 2+."
All the passages in question side by side. I'd go for 1 HP lost. The Pen that deals D3 damage is now a Glancing Hit
Glancing Hits deal 1 HP
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 10 2017 22:31
that was my reasoning, but i can see this is a hot topic for debate
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:32
Oh yea, among other rules, this situation isn't defined :/
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:34
But @amis92 you could just make the banner an option in the melee weapon arm selection, max1, and the special weapons options in the storm Bolter arm selection, max1, incriment by one if unit is more then 9 models
Right now a 5 man paladin squad can take 3 specials (2 specials and special+banner) without throwing errors
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:35
Alright, fixed #3649
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:36
Also, the term squad does not create individual models, but collective weapon pools
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Apr 10 2017 22:45

Well you could do those changes and then you'll end up with separate entries for every single model, even if some have the same equipment. The current option is maybe a little worse when configuring (although I don't really see choosing arm selections better) but Collective won't save your ass here.

As per bug, well, I imagine it's fixable :)

I have no idea what's up with termies, though.

That's what paladins look like right now, with everything deselected. My point is we could do away with the 2 extra banner selectables, and the paladin(special) bucket by just condensing everything into weapons options
Hell, apothecary would work too because his nartheceum replaces his sbolter
Oh I see how terms works - it collectivizes everything BUT the dudes with SW
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
Apr 10 2017 22:52
Yeah we could, but then the output is terrible - and now it's best we can achieve with BS.
Part of me agrees with you, believe me, I'm a programmer and reducing bloat is high on my priority list :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:53
But it'd basically be exactly the same output.
That's how it outputs now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:54
Use SM Term squad if you want an example of how it looks non collective.
I think that'd be the closes analogous unit
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:56
Yeah that outputs the same as palas right now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:56
Woo! back to 0 issues
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 22:56
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Boom.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:57
:highfive:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:57
Still gotta fix the paladin having too many specials issue I just found
The special+banner option doesn't check against paladin(special)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:58
Doesn't look like it's a posted issue to me :trollface:
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 22:59
Damn right @Kohato, we got it all fixed
Pack it up boys, we're golden!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 22:59
Keep it up I'll post it :trollface:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 22:59
All cats are perfect
No issues at all
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 23:02
I got new files in the mail today :D http://i.imgur.com/qalge1p.jpg
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 23:02
Fuck autoheaders lol
Noice
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 23:03
Damnit Donnie, you are out of your element!
$2.96 shipped
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 23:03
I gotta get me some pin files again
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 23:03
I have those :)
5$ at wal mart
I love'em
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 23:03
The set I had was absolute garbage
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 23:04
Oh? What was wrong with'em?
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 23:04
Aliexpress for mine
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 23:04
Those (and mine) are just a single piece of metal with file grooves cut in.
Nothing to really fuck up
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 23:04
Whoever cut the ridges didn't cut them at the correct angle - they just wouldn't really file at all
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 23:04
Ahh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 23:05
They just kinda bounced off on every Ridge, not actually cut
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 23:05
Fun fact: a can of spray cheese will go through exactly two sleeves of Ritz crackers if you're making them into sandwiches.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 10 2017 23:06
Huh, that ... is actually good to know
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 23:06
My brother use to make files once upon a time
Sounds bout right
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 23:06
about 3" to the right of those files is a can of spray cheese
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 10 2017 23:06
Speaking of which, I need to get me a sheet of smoked salmon fillet again
I have tons of cream cheese, and some yummy triscuit, but no salmon
cartag
@cartag
Apr 10 2017 23:08
I now have no spray cheese or crackers
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