These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

24th
Apr 2017
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 07:04

Your mother smells of Elderberries!

ah.. the stupid strikes back... BSData/wh40k#3698

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 11:44
@Thairne it always does
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 12:56
So. For 8th. I just realized something and how happy I will be
I don't have to care about badab!!!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 12:58
Yet.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 12:58
Since GW said all forge world models will be usable, I wonder if that means they're just rolling Forge world into the codices/tomes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 12:58
oh god please yes
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 12:59
That would be so cool
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 12:59
no more ambiguous FW wording
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 12:59
I know right?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 12:59
and no more whines about FW being broken/OP/illegal
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 12:59
Also no more dickish FW cockblock
Yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:07
I mean. fw is still a bit nuts in a o s
Morungul lol
But if it works like a o s I'd love it. Dataslates for everyone
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:12
I have hardly any knowledge of AOS, but I think I like the approach
all in one place, all that "wounds reduce effectiveness" thing..
eat that, flying demon prince of nurgle that summons demonettes everywhere!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:13
I think part of the issue is the FW design studio choughalanblighcough doesn't have the same design outlook as the GW guys - and it shows
It's not just the mourngul- there's also that chaos duder that good
wishes dread saurian was half as good as other FW stuff
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:15
Dread Saurian is such a cool model
and such a terrible stat block for 400 points
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:15
Best summation of FW I've seen is some things are very points-efficient, while the rest is mostly pretty points-inefficient
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:16
That'd be approximate
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:16
It is horrible!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:16
I just successfully traded my entire death force for sylvaneth though
So i'm happy :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:16
Like, I want to have a reason to buy one, and use it - but it's just no bueno
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:17
12 Hunters, Alleriell, 5 Treelords (2 ancients, 2 durthu, 1 tree), 20 Revenants, 10 Dryads, 2 Branchwyches, and a Drycha. It's a fun army.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:17
just heard of that slann lord guy
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:18
Kroak?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:18
whatshisname... mazamundi?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:18
I love kroak.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:18
I wanna play Slann now.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:18
Kroak is so gimped in Matched play though
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:18
reptilian fantasy hitler.
isnt kroak dead?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:18
his key thing is 4 spells a turn, and his unique spell gets changed each time you cast it, but matched play limits each spell to 1 casting.
I mean, He's kind of immortal
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:18
arch warhammer said something about him technically being dead
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:19
Kroak is a mummy
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:19
Yea .. his body is dead.
He is not.
Slann are the only technically living pieces of the seraphon/lizardmen
the rest are made of star-stuff conjured by the slann from the memories of the old world.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:20
bonkers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:20
I love seraphon. I'm just terrible with them on the table so I opted to not play them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:20
I'm actually pretty decent with seraphon- I do the cav rush mostly lol
Ignoring rend-1 is great
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:20
Knights and Carnesaurs?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:20
Yup
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:21
I tried turtle tactics myself
could never get it to work
Thunderquake Starhost, slannlord, 2 Venosaurs, Engine of the Gods
Sorry, 2 solar engine bastillidons
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:21
I have a turtle and a triceratops- mostly for the shooting
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:21
a triceratops for the shooting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:22
Yep. Welcome to seraphon
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:22
things I'd never thought I'd hear
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:22
Lmao they are basically venosaurs lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:22
I'm not shitting you, there is a venosaur.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:22
what
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:22
Omg now I need to paint my bassie as a venosaur
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:22
The best summation of seraphon: Motherfucking aztec lizard people riding motherfuncking dinosaurs.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:23
Lmao exactly!
It fires a Solar beam.
It's a god damned venosaur.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:23
It is lmao
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:23
guess you guys liked the tw:w2 trailer then
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:23
Omg I'm dying over here
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:23
with the slann butfucking elves
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:23
And i'm not summarizing. It gathers solar energy
and fires a god damned solar beam
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:24
weeeeeeeeeeelllllllllll
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:24
Oh yea, Can't wait for TW2
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:24
with those haradon overlords...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:24
Seraphon will be my main force all day
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:24
MUST... RESIST... the LURE
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:24
I tried them before I traded for tree people
They're ... odd
For a shooting army in airshipt
They get outshot
by fucking sigmarines
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:25
so - they suck?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:25
And the armor is paper thin
Not ... necesarrily
They will be very strong in the right hands
at first glance they are an artillary shooting powerhouse, but that's not right
their strength is their mobility
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:25
He shits you not about bassies
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:25
They move super fast, and can transport troops, something no other army can do
I think kharadron are well balanced. They just don't fit my playstyle
I like reactionary - so I went treepeople :)
Oh sorry. "Searing Beam"
Same god damned thing Ash.
99120204013_SylvanethDurthu01.jpg
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:27
I want gunlines. There's nothing better thana siege map in TW:W when you got thunderers.
park in the center, line them up and shoot shit up when they enter the corridor of death
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:27
Do you like ratmen?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:27
Skinks are pretty good shooting
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:27
Clan Skyre is the most broken piece of shit there is for gunlines.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:27
well
while I'm not that into Skaven
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:27
Especially in blocks backed up by priests and chieftains
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:27
I can think they can make fun-things to man-things and shoot-kill them dead-dead!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:28
Free People shooting is actually pretty good.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:28
Sigmarines shooting is VERY good, but they're not a gunline army. their shooting is expensive
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:28
<3 the engine.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:28
Dwarven shooting is pretty good
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:28
they have no recent support though
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:28
I actually tend to run just a vanilla steg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:28
so their rules aren't the most powerful compared to the newer battletomes.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:29
I also have no slann currently
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:29
Steg is probably better overall.
But omg getting that extra turn
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:29
yeah, I was hoping for a newer dwarf thing to show up.. like no fire guys or steam balloon guys
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:29
is Hillariously infuriating to your opponent.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:29
Indeed lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:29
Fyreslayers are damned fun
Just SOOO expensive
Their points are very cheap with the new General's Handbook
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:29
I want to get a slann, a vortex, and 2 starseers
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:29
but the models cost so much
Oh god. Kroak on a Vortex
He'd never fucking die
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:30
I'm slow at painting.. and with disposable income :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:30
Yup lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:30
Well, Fyreslayers aren't gunline ... at all
But try them, you may have fun
they do have some shooting (And it is quite strong)
and it's half naked midgets riding Fire Drakes.
What's not to love
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:30
Useless in matched, but omgsmawesome in open
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:31
the half naked part
I want iron breakers :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:31
If GHB2 introduces Grand Alliance spell tables, Kroak immediately becomes better.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:31
riding dragons
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:31
In every way.
Until then, he's stupidly overcosted
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:31
I'm actually toying with starting Sigmarines just because
Fair
The drake cav looks fun lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:31
I want dwarven space marine iron breakers riding freaking dragons
that's pretty much all I love combined
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:31
Iron dwarves are pretty strong
Steam Tanks are beasts
Cannons are just unit erasers.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:31
hush now!
I'm not gonna start another game!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:32
Come to sigmar
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:32
not with 8th on the doorstep and my 40k backlog!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:32
I mean, once you play 8th 40k
I'm betting it'll transition really really easily into aos
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:32
most certainly
my concern is one of time painting the new stuff
wanting 40k AND AoS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:33
As soon as Seraphon get a battletome of their own, they are 100% my next force
lol painting
once you consign yoruself to the Grey Horde it's much easier to spend money
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:33
I only field painted shit.
matter of pride.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:33
starts chanting one of us! One of us!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:33
I would do that in a tourney, but I paint slow, so amongst my circle, we have no issue with grey hordes.
We do proxies quite regularly to test new armies
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:34
Same here
Tourneys I try to get to TT standard - otherwise I don't feel bad with the grey horde
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:35

one of our guys here has CSM bikes
painted with Emperors Children scheme
and mark of Nurgle

ONLY the bikes, mind you.
No riders on them for the past 3 years
Aloways gets my blood boiling

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:35
my current project is my Tesseract Vault
it's about 1/2 done :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:35
especially when he goes "the one with glowy eyes has a melta, the one without has a flamer and the third dude has nothing"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:36
That's why I have no issue with grey, but unassembled is pretty annoying unless someone is proxying a new force.
Trying something new before you decide to invest? Go ham, I don't mind.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:36
sure
that is temporary
but his Demon Prince is black, no wings, no PA like for 5 years now
that is not temporary
that is a fucking insult
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:37
99120201045_ArchaonEverchosen01.jpg
Oh, if you go to sigmar
you could go chaos
and get that bad boy
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:37
HAHAHAHA good one!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:37
Archaon?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:37
Archeon is such an awersome model
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:37
yet total and absolute HERESY
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:37
Pish, there is no heresy
If anything, Sigmar is the heretical one
he ran like a bitch back to azyr
and let chaos take over the realms
and now he's fighting guerilla tactics, terrorizing the chaotic people.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:38
emps at least fought and died kroak style.
terrorizing chaos
oxymoron much?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:38
Yea, you heard me.
Nurgle was just sitting in his garden
Khorn on his skulls
Tzeench was squaking
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:39
doing nothing but destroying the world, poor sods
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:39
And sigmar just rode down lightning bolts and roughed them up
with no provocation
like a little bich
Slaanesh, we don't really know where heshe is.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:39
cant one tear reality asunder once in a while without being disturbed?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:39
The Great Horned Rat is actually the 4th chaos god now.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:39
I caught that much
pretty much ends there tho
some realm bubbles thing happened
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:40
Khorne and Nurgle were beaten back by Sigmar's forces
so mortal realms have started appearing
and now Tzeench is pulling tricks trying to influence those people.
Think of the Realms as kind of planets in 40k
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:41
and now ziintch is like
Not as planned!.jpg
?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:41
Not one big continent/world like Fantasy anymore, much more segragated - A bunch of Realms connected by Realmgates.
Now you want a badass god? Nagash is a badass (and a complete dick)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:42
I never thought necromancers to be the nice guys tbh
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:42
A goddess wanted to kill him, so she sent her elite force of archangels to fight him. He slaughtered them all
and then just to spite her, raised them as his own elite archangels of death.
The Archai
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:43
sounds like exactly what a necromancer god would do
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:43
And nearly every one of his seven mortarchs have thought about or is in the process of betraying him
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:43
did Gotrek finally find his doom?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:44
Not sure, I don't recall that name
I imagine so, they're not in the sigmar setting
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:46
uhm yes, kind of he did
Grimnir killed him
and got ressurrected and then did the emps webway stuff
fighting demons forever as Grimnirs heir
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:48
Did Felix die too?
I so wish they hadn't squatted TK
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:49
Yea, that's a shame
I probably would've gone that when I started Sigmar.
Warsphynxes look amazing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:49
TK?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:49
Tomb Kings
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:49
And Settra was a boss
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:49
Fantasy Setting Necrons.;
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 13:50
thats too much lore for a single brain...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:51
Nagash kind of killed, then raised an entire civilization as skeletons (His own country mind you, he came from that civilization)
And then kind of abbandoned them
So ... they started working shit out for themselves.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:51
Fuck you nagash!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:51
That's the general concensus when speaking about nagash.
if you're not nagahs.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:51
Lol pretty much
Khalida was awesome too
Fucking Nefferata
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:52
Neferatta was my MVP before I Traded my death.
she would outright murder any model with my lucky rolls.
Warboss on Mawcrusher? Meet Amet-Khar, Dagger of Jet.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 13:54
Neferatta is boss - I was considering getting her, arkan, and nagash for my TK - made me feel dirty but at least they were all formerly TK
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 13:55
It'd fit
ruleswise too because GW has forgotten about death entirely
I honestly think they don't know what to do. Death has so many tiny as shit factions
it'd be very hard to make a single battletome that doesn't combine half of them
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 14:08
apparently FW are writing their own rules updates for 8th
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 14:09
makes sense, they did for sigmar.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 14:10
lets just hope theyre consistent with the rest of the updates
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 14:14
They're probably not -.-
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 14:15
shhhh, dont spoil my optimism
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 14:15
but what if they are?
new GW ya know
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 14:51
True
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:19
Watching the q&a session now
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:19
take notes :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:20
Plan on it
Vehicles are t-based; damage table confirmed
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:25
where is the stream?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 16:25
lots of wounds? like double digits?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:26
Sounds like it
FB
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:26
sigh
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:27
they will address 30k later in stream
1500 = 90min
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:27
yeah, watching now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 16:27
my biggest hope is for save mods
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:27
rend would be nice
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:28
They'll probably address it lol
Matched is battleforged only
14 basic FoCs
Command points sound cool as hell - kinda like the chase from mtg
Ok looks like no tomes - I'm ok with that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:33
no templates O.o
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:33
Yes! No templates!
I am purely ok with that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:34
the only one i liked was the flame template :/
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:34
I didn't even like it anymore
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:34
cough frag cannons
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:35
And with weapons being multi-wound now it's ok with me
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:35
see ive missed most of the stream so far. im about to leave for coffee too
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:35
Well that was confirmed previously iirc
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:37
sounds like we are getting tomes at launch. but i wonder if thats the only time
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:37
give it to me
now
right into my emperor blessed veins!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:37
Looks like it
So tomes to start, then codices to expand
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:38
considering the size of the rework
sounds logical
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:38
Indeed
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:38
yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:39
"broken units like riptides"
the awareness finally is there
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:40
Lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:40
awareness has been there for awhile, acknowledged awareness was what we were always looking for
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:41
wow... interactive feedback forum? if they really take that to heart..
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:42
Ryza quasi-confirmed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:42
RIP BS. Was nice knowing you guys.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:42
im wondering how “big” the core rules are now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:42
If it's anything like is there you're still going to see people wanting to use BattleScribe
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:42
is it? no idea
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:42
yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:42
is it that bad?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:42
Azyr*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:42
or rather not complete enough?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:42
At least imo
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:43
the AoS list builder doesnt really do much
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:43
It's like 80% of bs, with more pretty but not quite as functional
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:43
I see
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:43
no validation checking if i remember
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:44
Something like that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:44
I love my validation.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:45
i guess the next question become, with the structure change will BS be sufficient for 40k now. looks like we still have the same battlefield roles from the FOCs they showed off
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:45
Yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:45
I expect profiles to be vastly different
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:45
yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:45
and less linkage to happen
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:45
yeah, more AoS style rulings
just no dual role type units please. that sucks for the AoS BS files
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:47
link the entry, assign different roles to the link?
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:47
no, i mean counts as 2 role similtaniously
switching roles is fine
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:48
So HQ and troops at the same time @Thairne
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:48
Icy
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:49
so it sounds like we should start a new git for 8th since the structure will change so much. maybe fork 7th, but idk if any info from 7th will be relevant at all
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:49
They really need to improve their video guy -.-
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:49
naah
new repo
no forking
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:49
yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:49
better to start from ground up as they do
leave 7th to rot like 6th for the die hards
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:49
lol
they keep awnsering the same questions :/
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:50
2 sets of points?!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:50
People keep asking the same damn questions
That's going to be interesting
Oh ok one following AoS's method
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:51
oh I see
so Im not getting punished for giving my tac a Plasma Cannon
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:51
narative points sound fun
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 16:51
lets you go fluffy without being gimped
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:51
I love me some fluffy lists
this might help
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:51
So narrative is just bodies, don't pay for weapons, matched is still basically the same as current
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:52
makes tacs suck less.. depending on the narrative value ofc
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:52
Indeed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:52
so its basically heisenbergs 40k
everything has the same pts value
unless you look at it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:53
New factions - some at launch!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:53
only problem i see with narative points is the same problem in AoS… elite units dominate
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:53
MCs damage table too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:53
so they're too cheap?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:53
Pretty much
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:53
maybe they learned from that
GH2 could fix that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:54
The skyfire tzangors are totally under costed currently
No stat capped at 10
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 16:54
well they promised annual updates, so hopefully they can use that to keep the balance
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:54
Multi-damage totally confirmed
Bolters can hurt tanks
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 16:55
everything can hurt everything
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:55
bolters destroying a LR is ridiculous tho
gotta be very very hard
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 16:55
well it might have like 20 wounds
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:55
like three 6's
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:55
20-30 wounds would be my guess
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:55
still, you cannot take out a leopard with an assault rifle
unless you hit the sensors
and blind it
otherwise everything is necron gauss
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:56
But assault rifles aren't 40cal mass reactive rounds
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:56
and land raiders aren't modern day tanks :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:56
Self-propelled mass reactive*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:57
ok... Bolters against FOrtress of Redemption
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:57
Keyword confirmed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:57
explain that :P
zopha
@zopha
Apr 24 2017 16:57
Mathhammer out how many lasguns will be needed to take out a Land Raider.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:57
aos keyword came over
@Thairne all units will have many keywords
ie space marine, hq, captain, ultramarines*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:58
I meant the bolter killing fortifications ^^
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:58
oh
...
akward...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:58
Lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:58
:p
zopha
@zopha
Apr 24 2017 16:58
Imperial Fists will be OP for that :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 16:58
Wow they're actually confirming deathstars exist and shouldn't lol
And won't lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 16:59
im getting the most awkward boner right now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 16:59
I'm intrigued about their codecies and tomes
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 16:59
ok, i need coffee. keep me posted
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:00
Lol they cited a "da captain" joining "sw units" lol
I'm so glad they actually confirmed deathstars were bad
Mono-faction does add stuff
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 17:00
Rountree, the savior of 40k
didnbt he say you can fill bigger detachments then?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:01
Yup
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 17:01
so you get more CP? instead of taking 2 smaller with different factions
that is your rewards as I get it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:01
Looks like it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 17:01
depending what those CP can do...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:02
Looks like a shit ton, but limited to 1 per phase
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:02
my only hope is that nothing is squatted like in AOS
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 17:02
thats 5 per turn
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:02
They said EVERYTHING is coming over to the new edition
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:02
That's good
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:03
And it looks like they're continuing the fad of all terrain having rules too
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:03
I like sigmar's terrain rules.
I'm a fan of that
zopha
@zopha
Apr 24 2017 17:03
At least with terrain rules you can ignore them if you want and get some cool terrain.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:03
Better than mysterious objectives imo
Also, an artical a day
is glorious
So glad they're doing that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 17:04
I heard something about 10th of june
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:04
I love all the questions pouring in about psyker phase.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 17:04
thats a lot of articles
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:04
With no addressing at all
Oh that's nice. of them
8 weeks "Return" for rules/codexes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 17:05
hell....
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:05
Oh wow
zopha
@zopha
Apr 24 2017 17:05
Nice.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:05
they get a voucher with Proof of Purchase.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 17:05
i like how people are calling things overpowered without having any details
zopha
@zopha
Apr 24 2017 17:05
Did they talk about HH?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 17:05
you know the sheeple from here
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:05
No damnit
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 17:06
well....
that was that...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:06
No 30k today
Some interesting details though
I love that they're doing vouchers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:06
I have a feeling FW is just so far behind nobody really knows
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:06
That'll soothe a good bit of hurt about just buying "Useless" things
zopha
@zopha
Apr 24 2017 17:09
and there's the FW email saying all the IA books will be gone as well.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 17:10
FW are updating their rules for 8th
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:11
I love me a good shaekup
so excited for this
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:11
Just IA or 30k too?
zopha
@zopha
Apr 24 2017 17:12
They only have IA pictured.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 17:12
Kk
zopha
@zopha
Apr 24 2017 17:12
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 17:14
@amis92 Could we possibly get a repo made: wh40k-7ed? I think it'd be best if we continue 8th ed in this repo and clone the final update into a new one.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 17:54
why clone @Kohato, starting from the ground up for 8th sounds like a better idea. just rename the current repo to 7th
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 17:56
clone the existing files to a new repo, then start fresh on the current one
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 17:57
oh, that makes more sense. reading that didnt to me.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 17:57
so the wh40k repo will be the most recent edition
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 18:15
Right
Saves a lot of permissions work
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 18:15
yeah
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 18:15
And wh40k should always be current version
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 18:19
did they ever directly call it 8th edition during the stream @alphalas
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 18:20
Nope
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 18:20
ok
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 18:20
Mostly "the new edition" memory serves
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 18:21
well it is confirmed to be a living game now, so it woudnt make sense to call it an edition number anymore
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 18:21
Yup
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 18:21
just note the year for rules updates… like 40k(2017, 18, 19, etc)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 24 2017 18:21
didnt the scottish guy call it 8th a couple of times?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 18:21
No I don't think so
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 18:44
I'ts always "New Edition" not 8th
YW :)
Summary someone posted to my local 40k group
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:33

advice time!
I just gave building terrain a very first shot.
A wooden plate, some plastic aquarium plants, a lil bit speckle to make them stick in more, paint, glue, flock...

It is gaming terrain, so you need to be able to reach and place your models... but.. it looks so... bland...?

20170424_223129.jpg
any idea how to spice it up without creating handling and placing problems?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:34
unfortunately, forest like terrain has to be sparse to be useable :(
A bit of flock or grass tufts bordering the edges will help
gives it a bit of depth but keeps the center open for models
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:35
alrighty
I got tufts right here...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:35
Yea, I see the flock on the ground, I mean like the little spurts of grass 'Eavy Metal uses on bases sometimes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:35
kind of a boarder for the piece of terrain
hohlf
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:43
waiting for the glue to settle...
better already. way better.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:47
"Matched play also has a few extra rules that impact the game itself, mostly to do with things like deploying reserves, summoning or generating reinforcements,"
Hello Reinforcement points.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:47
20170424_224617_001.jpg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:47
Goodbye Magnus lists.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:47
what is a RFP?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:47
It's what Sigmar uses to generate new units mid game.
essentially, points you don't use in your list
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:47
so limits on summoning
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:47
that you set asside to s ummon
yep
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:47
thank the gods!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:47
People that liked summoning hated it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:47
all those demonettes appearing out of nowhere...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:47
the rest of us treat it like Deep Strike for Sigmar.
and yea, much better on the terrain
Go outside, find a few branches or dead twigs too
make two or three small logs to glue in
nothing blocking, just a bit of accent
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:49
birch seeds
those are awesome for that kind
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:49
yea, that'd work
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:49
going outside is bad right now at 11 PM :P but I will
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:49
oh lol
yea, might be hard
wait til tommoro then
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:49
unless I can cannibalize some plants right here...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:50
Matched play has a few extra rules [...] using psychic powers
Interesting. I'm guessing Rule of One
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 20:50
Gods I hope so
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:50
(Only one attempt at a spell[psyker power] can be attempted per turn)
Wheather it is successful or not
So, if 3 psykers know invisibility, only 1 can actually attempt to cast it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 24 2017 20:51
That itself would fix half the invis nonsense
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:51
nods
only and a half!
I expect invis to change anyway
soooooo
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:51
a game of 1,000-2,000 points takes just over 2 hours and will be played on a 6’x4′ board.
Glad they're keeping the board size.
I spent good money on a custom 6x4 board :smile:
I wonder if we'll see fixed point sizes for Matched play
like in sigmar
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:53

I guess you can follow the rule:

If it worked in AOS, we will have it now

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:53
Also - If you guys didn't catch it in the QA
We're gonna have to think of something
Narrative uses a different point value for units.
Than matched.
Matched is unit + Upgrades. Narrative is only units but at a different cost than narrative.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:54
hm
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:54
I'm guessing what we'll need to do is add "Narrative Points" and "Matched Points" as currencies in the GST
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:54
but how to decide what to use and validate?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:55
Unless Jon gives us more functionality, we don't.
User will have to set point limit
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:55
to "very high" in the points cost he does not want to use for the detachment
and to the real value for the other
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:55
We'd have to advise users to set whatever points they're NOT using to 999999
yep
It's ugly, it sucks, but it's how we'd have to do it unless we want to duplicate every CAT file (Which is also not a terrible idea)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:56
double the maintenance?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:56
Also, only 5 compendiums to start
Xenos was confirmed. I'm guessing Astartes, Traitors, Imperium, and Chaos are the other 4.
Yea, double the maintenance :/
Initial setup would be us making a cat for matched, QA'ing it internally
then when finished, copy it and go in and re-do all points values.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:58
thats gonna be painfuk
and the versions will differ after a time.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:58
Ideally they wouldn't ever differ.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:58
ideally
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:58
If we copy directly after QA
All bugs in 1 would be in the other.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:58
yes, ideally.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:58
unless point cost bugs
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 20:59
reality however..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 20:59
in which case ... fuck you
damnit, my ideal world is in shambles!
Keywords are in too
Really ...we just need jon to implement some major Quality of Life changes for the new edition
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 21:00
we can only use the tools we have
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 21:02
And if the tool is inadequate :/
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 21:02
then the toolmaker needs to man up
simple as that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 21:02
Yepper.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 21:02
not like people didnt pay for it
and 40k is probably his bigget customer share
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 24 2017 21:04
Aye. I've summoned him.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 24 2017 21:10
Noticed
lets see if he hears the sirens call..
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 24 2017 23:17
the 40k app having a list builder will be interesting too. how much validation it will do.