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25th
Apr 2017
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 07:09
from hearsay here... not much
Justin Dee
@IdleMuse
Apr 25 2017 10:23
Space Wolves catalogue implies Wolf Priests are capped at 1. I've looked through various codices etc. but can't find any rules support for this restriction, does anyone know why/where?
If not I'll raise as issue
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 10:24
probably a hangover from 1.15 that never got noticed
Justin Dee
@IdleMuse
Apr 25 2017 10:31
cheers, will submit then
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 13:49
where is my daily 8th article? I require knowledge! Stop guarding it well!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 13:51
It's there you just need to find it. The website basically has its gates unbarred and unguarded.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 13:52
ah... sourcecode digging...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 13:55
was it not the one detailing the money back on codexes, or is that one of yesterdays?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 13:55
nope thats yesterday
I could stick a crawler on an url like https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/25
to find for hidden files.. but that is too much DoS for my tastes
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Apr 25 2017 14:31
By the by, in the voucher article they do call the new edition the 8th: "Usually, we’d do this for up to 4 weeks before the update was announced, but as we’re so excited about the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, we’ll be extending this to 8 weeks (8 weeks for the 8th edition!). And of course, you can keep your book(s)."
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 14:34
Yeah they keep referring to it as the new edition
The question was if they said 8th or not
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Apr 25 2017 14:34
I know, and apparently in this instance they did.
Or wrote, actually.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 14:35
Oh I see lol
Missed that blurb in my first skim lol
Well if rumors hold out we'll see it released in 8 weeks time lol
starts getting flashbacks to Bungie's obsession with 7
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Apr 25 2017 14:39
Perhaps they'll do away with the d6 and instead introduce a magic 8-ball ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 14:41
The magic voices say: maybe.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 14:50
Does my boltgun penetrate the land raider? shake shake shake "Ask again later..."
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 14:53
well we got the answer to that... kind of
yes.
According to FB, you need about 500 conscripts to destroy a LR
(probably not an accurate number, but eh...)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 14:55
rapid fire? FRFSRF?
sharpshooters?
also, FRFSRF needs a KNEEL in the middle....
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 15:04
ah, they havent mathhammered it out, theyre just saying its in the order of hundreds
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 15:04
ayup
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Apr 25 2017 15:23
@flakpanda Please do as the HH files depend on it!
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Apr 25 2017 15:54
If everything Rends, and then what, continues explodes as a D3, it would take 108 Lasgun shots per hull point (assuming still 4 hull points, which is rumored unlikely, and a fixed 4+ to hit for Guardsmen), so what, two 50 body blobs?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 15:58
I imagine T is gonna work something like this
S4 v T12 would be: If you roll a 6 to wound, roll again, then if you roll another 6 to wound, it wounds.
something like that.
4v4 = 4
4v5 = 5
4v6 = 6
4v7 = 6, then 2
4v8 = 6, then 3
4v9 = 6, then 4
4v10 = 6, then 5
4v11 = 6, then 6
4v12 = 6, then 6, then 2
Something along those lines is what I imagine it will be since SvT tests are still in the game
So, those 500 conscripts, hitting on say, 4 or 5 (probably 5), then wounding is insanely low chance
166 shots get through. 27 shots get past the first roll of a 6, 5 get through the 2nd roll of a 6
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 16:10
I wonder if instant death is still going to be a thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:10
Good question
I imagine a 1 will always fail still
so S12 v T4 might be a wound roll of 2, re-rolling because of the diference
But for ID, that's a good question, I imagine it could stay the same as it is now
Double S
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 16:12
i mean high-strength weapons will probably deal multiple wounds
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:12
It could easily be managed now that stats aren't capped at 10 too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 16:12
it just seems a little odd that say a force weapon could one-shot a vehicle
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:13
ohh for the rule
Yea, that would be odd
I'd imagine the rule may go away as a special weapon kind of thing
but do "Mortal Damage" if S is 2x T
All wild guesswork though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 16:13
i thought that was the same thing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:13
It is, but a Force weapon wouldn't double a vehicle's T
But if it had ID on it as a special rule, it'd still inflict ID
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 16:14
thats what i'm saying is the whole deal with ID might just go away due to multi-damage weapons
hit a T4 character with a S8 melta, deals D6 damage, character might survive with a low damage roll
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:17
Yea, that'd be true
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 16:23
removes rules
simplifies game
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 16:23
Well mortal aren't ID, they're just unsaveable wounds
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 16:23
whats not to like? Same will probably happen do the D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 16:23
I think that's more the way ID will go, mortal
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:23
D being gone will make me happy
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 16:24
its confirmed to be gone
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 16:24
D has been confirmed gone
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:24
Woo!
Now please make my c'tan useful again
and I won't ever complain.
Especially my T-vault
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 16:24
honestly I think they might
as I see it - they might not get everything right with the first shot
but continually improve with every year
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:24
Agreed. They won't
AOS didn't either
But they're improving, and keeping it a "Living game" with yearly updates is great
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 16:25
but we got AoS behind us now with the lessons learned
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:25
I honestly haven't played 40k in months. AOS is what i've been doing :smile:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 16:25
and I totally see them rules and points errata if anything is way out of wack
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 16:25
I'm so excited for 8th now :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 16:26
Lol
I am too, but since I've mostly refocused on 30k it won't affect my building much lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 16:27
I guess it will vastly invigorate my desire to paint&play
see my first attempt at terrain :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 16:59
FINALLY
my FIX
LD7? Ouch
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 17:01
depends how morale works
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:01
Like AOS.
Roll a dice, add number of models lost, Add LD/BRavery
That many more flee
I believe that was what was said at adepticaon at least
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 17:02
so 7 isnt even that low
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:02
2W Termies with 5"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:02
nah, 7 is rather good
means you have to lose 2 in a single turn to even have a chance at 1 fleeing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:02
add? So.. 1D6 + casualties + LD gives the number if casualties? rather suvstract
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:03
No, So LD7 if it works like this
would be. I lose 3 marines
end of turn I roll 1d6
+3
+LD (7
er no
wow
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:03
see? ^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:03
I lose 3 marines, so I roll 1d6
+those 3 marines lost.
The number I get Over LD is how many more flee
So if I roll 5
that's 8
so 1 more flees.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:04
I see
no 10 man tacs then
ever
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:04
There might be a bonus to 10 man
+1 to hit if 10 or more
I mean, no reason not to do 10man I guess ...
If 5 die, for example, you could roll a 1 or 2 and the other 5 would be safe.
or you roll a 6 and 4 more flee.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:05
or roll higher and loose double the models
so... why take the risk without substantial benefit?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:05
Benefit is ususally special weapons or bonuses in sigmar
1 per 5 get a special weapon, or 10 or more get a bonus to hit
some Command Point things might be 1 unit gets to shoot at the start of the turn
a larger unit would benefit from that
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 17:06
free veteran sergeant in a 10 man squad?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:07
"The Leader of the Squad is a Veteran Sergeant" is likely how it'd be worded
something like that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:07
I see
still feels iffy coming from ATSKNF
marines running is so against the grain of.. everything
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 17:07
thats what im curious to to see is the new no fear rule
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:07
I'm sure there will be plenty of "No Leadership test" things
there are in sigmar.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:08
I kind of like the new Terminator Profile
slower, but 2W
the 2+ save... well we gotta see about that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 17:08
2w is awesome
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 17:08
notice theres no initiative any more
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:08
yeah I saw that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:08
YEa, we knew that
combat will work like sigmar
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:08
so who strikes in 2nd round of combat?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:09
Player's turn chooses 1 unit to go
then the other player chooses another unit
back and forth
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:09
so you have to pick your most important battle
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 17:09
It doesn't even need to be in the same combat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:09
Yep
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:09
you want to win and risk the others
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:09
Exactly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 17:09
Yup
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:09
IMMA CRUNCH YOUR FACE OF WITH POWER FISTS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:09
It makes combat much more interesting phase.
Sure, and then my big Bloothirster will go next and rip apart the unit he's facing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:10
Glances at horribly painted deathwing
not if I crunch HIS face off!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:10
it's a choice you get to make :p and then I have no reason to fight the unit that your power fists just faught
they're in no more danger
so I pick a unit that hasn't been punched yet
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:11
depending on charge mechanics.. skitarii can really really put out the hurt then
the infiltrator/ruststalker combo
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 17:11
Yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:12
it is basically what I expected
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:12
Again, rather excited :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:12
yet still... I.. can't like it that much right now. Somehow... I guess I need a day to wrap my head around it
marines are exactly the same
terminators seem better
yet... I guess the LD is ingrained in my brain as being Guardsman-level
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:13
Yea, you'll have to get used to not ignoring a handul of rules in the game.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:13
we will see
stubborn is still THE DA trait
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 17:13
That always pissed me off playing against marines. I have things that to fear, or lower leadership, or force checks, Oh you're marines? You ignore all of that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 17:14
yeah I can get that
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 25 2017 17:32
and there was much rejoicing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 17:33
Just look at 30k – fear is actually a very potent weapon
Hell Kurze is vicious
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 18:11
Man that stat line makes so much sense now.
@capitaladot what am I doing for HH?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 18:27
Lmao
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 18:28
Guess I can ask for a refund :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 18:28
Lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 18:35
I actually did... jokingly
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 25 2017 21:43

Dreadnaught at T7 can be hurt by bolters. From the front.

Dicetools tells me you need 144 boltershots to kill a dread with its 8 Wounds and 3+ save.

Yeah, not happening.

a 10 man squad in rapid fire range can take off one... does not sound that bad now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:07
That's assuming Wound on 6s
but yea, People who are claiming omg anything can kill anything really need to look at the numbers
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:11
@Kohato perhaps we can just overlay the points from both systems
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:13
That's what we'll likely do if we don't get feature changes
But it requires the user to set the non-used points to 9999
or some obscene number
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:14
y not leave it -1?
you set points for point game, you set power levels for those games
leave the other type -1
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:15
That's right isn't it. I forgot it defaults to -1 now
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:15
and it wouldnt validate the number at all as it allowes unlimited
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:15
That wouldn't be horrible then
Well one problem solved!
Now to hound him on custom tags so we can support keywords
I'd really rather not do our castellans jury rig for the entire game system
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:16
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that doesnt seem bad. keeping options to 0 power levels
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:16
yup
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:17
and yeah… keywords are a bitch when needing validation in AoS
especially when its like this leader with keyword A is on a mount, unit A is a battleline now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:18
yup
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:20
also please be no dual role units… that was terrable to set up in AoS
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:21
Dual role units are fine with custom tags ;)
"Max 4 Leaders in force"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:21
well yeah
but if we cant get keywords
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:21
Oh we will get them damnit
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:21
lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:21
I have faith!
That I can be rather annoying!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:22
im trying to think of how to do the keywords from a programming pov
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:23
Same way he does now with unit/model/upgrade
All I want is validation based on that
then the ability to add my own in a GST
I guess, and the ability to use more than 1
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:23
almost have to include an new section in the gst called KEYWORDS. add them all to the list. then add then to the units, but unlimited amount
possible
when keywords get added to BS, AoS will have to be reworked D:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:28
Yea, but then you can actually validate things properly :)
And not be a red headed clone of azyr
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 25 2017 23:28
ikr
cartag
@cartag
Apr 25 2017 23:46
Keywords would be awesome if added
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:46
*when
cartag
@cartag
Apr 25 2017 23:46
Sorry, I have nothing else to add. Out of town for training, not by my computer
When?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:46
I will hound Jon until he bans me or adds them
lol
cartag
@cartag
Apr 25 2017 23:47
Fair enough lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:47
No worries. We've been gabbing about 8th and the changes it will need in BS to raelly support it right
cartag
@cartag
Apr 25 2017 23:48
I've been away from my home for 54 hours now, yesterday it was a record since my breakdown. Now I'm just padding my stats.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 25 2017 23:53
Damn! Good for you dude!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:54
I hate being away that long. Good on ya!
cartag
@cartag
Apr 25 2017 23:55
Thanks! I'm at a training to be a WRAP group facilitator. Basically to help others make their own tool like I use to stay well.
I'll be away until Friday, and the anxiety about it sucks
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 25 2017 23:56
Hey, tomorrow's half way then :)
cartag
@cartag
Apr 25 2017 23:57
I got here Sunday, tonight will be halfway point while I sleep