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26th
Apr 2017
cartag
@cartag
Apr 26 2017 00:00
But yeah, I'm really looking forward to being home.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 00:05
first night back in your own bed is always the best
cartag
@cartag
Apr 26 2017 00:09
I'm already taking off Monday for self care also. I got this planned lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 00:33
Haha, If I wasn't unemployed, I'd still appreciate a good 3 day weekend :p
cartag
@cartag
Apr 26 2017 01:35
I sometimes miss being unemployed, all I need to do is stop taking my meds and it's gonna happen. I just don't want the hell associated with me off meds.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:12

A few small info :
-Melee is by activation (like aos) So Charger hit first then each side activate a unit to attack.
(I am not sure it needed the extra strike first after charge rule with the alternate activation from AOS. But do they have the 3" pile in move ?)

-Flyer rules are on the unit having them,so different flying rules are entirely possible.
(I like it !)

-Legion and chapter traits are still there.

-Guard will have platoon (and by extension command and comms).

-Cover is like AOS

-No D weapon

-No shooting in/out melee

-Digital and phyisical book (A LOT are printed so no shortage)

-WW exclusive commands tanks are getting rules.

-Chaos and Imperium are similar to grand alliance book but xenos are more granular.

well if the books are printed GIVE IT TO US ALREADY EMPEROR DAMNIT!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:15
been scrubbing twitter have you?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:16
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:16
ah, i saw a very similar list on reddit with twitter links
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:17
guess that's where natfka got it from
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:18
they said they got it from a random blog "war of sigmar"
also, someone's going to have to explain the "grand alliance book"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:19
my guess its just everything imperium in one, everything chaosy in the other and everything xenosey in the third
which makes for easy purchases
core rules would be the 5th mentioned book - which leaves another one open. Additional/optional rules?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:21
they confirmed 5 rule books?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:21
they said so in the stream.. didnt they? lemme google-fu..
yeah was on the stream
5 books on release
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:22
perhaps a fluff/hobby book?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:22
quite possible
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:25
oh man it just hit me, with AV gone there wont be as much positional play with vehicles
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:25
jup
that's true
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:26
i can just spin my falcons round and not have to worry about my rear
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:26
and then get force weaponed to death :D
although I expect force to go from ID to D6 wounds instead
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:27
yeah, i was thinking the same
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:28
I still can't get over "marines with DL7 suffer casualties because they run away"... but i'm liking it more and more
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:28
or dealing an extra D6 on top of regular damage, so mauls dont get gimped
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:28
good one
allows for force weapons to be more diverse
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:28
still waiting for a force fist :D
because I, Cato Sigarius, get punched in the face!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 11:31
Grand Alliance book is the set of warscrolls (Dataslates) that were put out for AoS
So a Grand Alliance (Traitors) book would have all the dataslates for CSM
Grand Alliance (Astartes) for SM
Grand Alliance (Xenos) for Eldar, DE, Tau, Harlequins, ORks, and Tyranids
There will be 5 of these at launch. Only one confirmed was Xenos. I'm assuming it will be Astartes, Traitors, Xenos, Chaos, and Imperium
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:35
why the separation between traitors and chaos? chaos has not much to offer beside demons and CSM... granted, CSM grows, especially with death guard, but that would make the chaos one bretty thing
I guess one of the books is core rules
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 11:36
Core rules are digitial
with minimal print copies avaliable at launch
12 pages total.
I'm guessing because Traitors and Chaos together would be too large
Traitors alone would mirror the Astartes book, then chaos is essentially 4 factions (for the 4 gods)
again, all total guesswork - Xenos was the only one specifically mentioned
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:38
Why not split xenos in two then?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 11:38
They could indeed do that
Xenos Craftworlds/Xenos Evil bastards.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:39
if by craftworlds you mean eldar :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 11:39
Eldar, DE, Harlequins
Ynari
Illanden
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:40
but DE and harleys arent craftworlds
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 11:40
Fine. Xenos: Space Elves.
Xenos: Pointy Ears.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:42
that leaves tau, necrons, orks and nids for the last book
seems like a good spread to me
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 11:43
Xenos: Round Ears or No Ears
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:43
Xenos: Soulless
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 11:43
Tau and Ork have souls.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 11:43
from a certain point of view
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 11:58
I for one need only one book
xenos: to be purged
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 12:00
mon-keigh intensifies
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 12:16
Tau Freistoss.jpg
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 13:04
Lets see him do that to a riptide.
He'll break his toe.
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 13:47
So want to do an angry marines chapter. I'd have a small pond of yellow.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 13:55

thats a power boot. Ap2.

Actually.. if there were decals for those I'd consider a squad or two :P

zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 13:56
Fairly sure there's a fan made one but you have to print it and make decals.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 13:57
there are decal services... hm
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 13:57
Decals are easy to make yourself as long as you don't need white
Which is why I'm kinda SOL with my blood angels - the only white icon decals made were with the old pewter death company
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 14:04
Damn, no premade ones on b&
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 14:04
new vid up on warhammer tv
no sound, so no idea what it talks about, but seems to be about chaos splitting the galaxy
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 14:06
New DG terminator?
A bit about chaos spreading and how the stars are the birthright of Humans
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 14:08
Hobby Lobby has Decal pages.
to print on
Not sure what the DE equivilant woudl be for you Thairne
or how good they are
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 14:12
well if I were any good, I could freehand it
but I ain't
So if DG are the choas poster boys for 8th, could it be Guilliman for the Imperium?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 14:25
well the banner they've been using is half ultramarine + half death guard
seems likely that bob and morty will have a showdown at some point
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 14:31
ultramarine? the blue struck me more as alpha legion.... DUN DUN DUUUUUN!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 14:33
alpha legion with a laurel? this is proof that they go loyalist after all!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 14:35
Fists have laurels too
and the subterfuge legion not using enemy iconography? Unthinkable!
besides... ultramarines are the poster boys for everything like forever.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 14:36
wasnt dark vengeance the starter set for this edition?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 14:37
yup
also how I got to my DA in the first place
every box art for every generic sm troop.. UM
vedros... UM
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 14:38
yeah, thats fair
macragge and black reach were both UM
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 14:41
whats on the front of the SM Codex? Oh.. yes..
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 14:42
They could be Crimson Fists..
If we get a Morty model we might get a loyalist.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 14:43
Cmon. From 2nd ed onward blue armoured SM mostly with prominent toilet seats?
and who was the first loyalist primarch to come back?
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 14:46
Fists and Dorn would be perfect. Think of the catchphrase synergy!
Launch 8th with Dorn and...
"Dorn of a new era!"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 14:49
I.... this... I cannot....
A new Age dorns!
Chaos rises as the Sun dorns
whimpers silently
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 15:00
Yes!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:01
ooooooooooooh
flamers look nifty now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 15:03
yeah no shit.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:03
and marines have a save vs lascannons
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 15:03
d6 hits, no matter if it's one model or 12
just
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:03
improvable with cover
terminators end up with their classic 5+
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:04
flamers no longer have to be at the front to be useful :D
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:04
rapid fire seems to be the same
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 15:04
still a really sort range for flamers though
short*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:05
dunno if I like a flat D6 dmg
thats a bit rough
too much variance for my taste
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:06
for the lascannon?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:06
yup
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:07
maybe, depends how punishing the damage tables are
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:07
I didn't like vehicle dmg chart either - a bit too much "don't care" and "OMGSPLOSION!"
you can shoot a dread all day long with that thing
or nearly kill it with 1 hit
cover rules for vehicles will be important
A 4+ save or a 6+...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 15:09
true, but average on d6 is still 3 or 4 so its still likely to put a hurting on stuff
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:10
imagine.
5 man tac squad.
Lsacannon hits, 6 dmg
bolters fire. 2 wounds. Dread dead.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:10
2 wounds from 4 boltguns?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:10
unlikely, but possible
combi plasma on sargent?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:11
a krak grenade might do it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 15:11
... @Thairne , that's asking a lot of your dice.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 15:11
just sayin'
D6 is too much rng for me
rather 2+D3 or something
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 15:12
Will there be a tank hunter equlivant I wonder.
and what will damage from a melta be like..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:13
in SW:A meltaguns are D6 dmg, multi-melta is 2D6
and melta bombs are 2d6
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 15:13
Does SW:A have a lascannon?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:14
not that i know of
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 15:14
Boltguns? Just wonder if the stats are the same.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:15
boltgun is S4 AP-1 D1
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 15:20
you know, this means a flamer should be kinda effective against a dread too.
sure it's only 1dmg, but d6 hits.
which is awesome because i swear i remember a scene in one of the early HH books where they kill a dread with a flamer
zopha
@zopha
Apr 26 2017 15:26
More whine posts about land raiders being killed with massed flamers and flashlights the
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 15:26
fuck em
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:26
inb4 land raiders have FNP
and i'm interested to see how low S vs high T actually works. hopefully its not just 6 is always a wound
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 15:38
Im guessing it's 6, then roll again
-3 Rend though
Is nasty on tha tlascannon
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:41
seems a little low for what is supposed to be a tank killer
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 15:42
Well, imagine a Rhino has a 3+ or a 4+ save and say 8 HP
that -3 rend will melt the armor pretty quickly
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:42
yeah, but marines still get a save
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 15:42
True, but as they said - it's not made to kill troops.
Which makes me wonder
if damage will bleed over from model to model
or not
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:43
i think they mentioned that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 15:43
they said it's wasted on guardsmen - so i'm guessing not.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:43
"This stats effectively lets a single hit deliver multiple wounds to one model."
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 15:44
I like that
Makes you think about what you're shooting
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 15:45
makes cover worse for models with less armour too
which i like
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 15:45
Not really
just not as effective
no longer a haha I get a save
just a better save overall which can still be wiped out with rend
I can't wait to see the new tidewall profile
My new tau force might be crisis suit gunline (lol)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 15:47
hey i was the one who always swor by double-burst flamer loadouts lol
swore*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 26 2017 15:47
I was always partial to double Cyclic Ion
But if tidewall gives +1 cover, then you have line of 2+ save suits that reflect shots back
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 16:33
Ravenwing Support Squadron.
5 dual HF Landspeeders Deepstriking.
10D6 S5 Autohits.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 16:33
assuming you can deep strike within 8" with all of them
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 16:33
or outflank
Heck, a single speeder is 2-12 auto hits
avg of 7
thats a lot of saves to make
for... a currently 50 pts model
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 16:35
better against single models, worse against blobs
than current edition*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 26 2017 16:35
depends of the spacing of the blobs
but yes, potentially
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Apr 26 2017 17:41
@GenWilhelm one wonders if they will modulate the strength and/or AP (like in 3rd-7th), the number of hits, or the range on Heavy Flamers?
Back in 2nd edition, Hand and Heavy flamers just did different numbers of hits at different ranges at the same profile as regular flamers.
And a
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 18:17
I expect hand and heavy flamers to be comparable to how they are now
S3 AP0, and S5 AP-1 respectively
maybe the heavy flamer will do D3 damage like SW:A
would make it decent for taking down larger threats like multi-wound units
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 18:26
that white dwarf is awesome
i love how that cover very heavily evokes the 4e cover
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 26 2017 18:29
Yep. To me that is the rule book cover.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 18:29
indeed
i had the beautiful leatherbound limited edition - that was glorious
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
Apr 26 2017 19:15
@zopha SW:A has a Brightlance, the Eldar name for Lascannon. Stats S8 Dam d3 Save mod. -5. So not really comparable to 8th it seems.
Oh, Chaos Killteams have a Lascannon! S9 Dam d6 Save mod. -6. So kind of the same as 8th, except for the save mod.
Austin C.
@capitaladot
Apr 26 2017 20:19
Weird that they nerfed the Bright Lance so hard.
Many consider 4th to have been the blandest but most balanced edition... was it in 4th or 5th that they parked the Rhino rush?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 26 2017 21:11
5th