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30th
Apr 2017
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 30 2017 11:26
Well that was epic, I picked a fine week to be off the Internet but I think I'm nearly caught up... Sounds like a massive change for WH40K, it's funny that I only now wonder why profile stats were limited to 10 in the first place, should be fun, I'm definitely on the "looking forward to it" bus :+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 14:31
I'm very happy move-shoot heavy is just -1 bs now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
Apr 30 2017 14:31
yea
No more broadsides sitting still do do shit
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 14:31
Rail guns might be slightly more useful
Who am I kidding, unless they go back to s10 they're still useless
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 30 2017 14:34
interesting to see there is no "Relentless" anymore either... heavy weapons on vehicl;es still suffer the -1 BS...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 14:38
But there's nothing saying that that changes past 6" - shooting all weapons at -1 moving faster then 6" is a drastic improvement
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 30 2017 14:39
This article on shooting, it pleases flakpanda
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 30 2017 14:39
:+1:
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 30 2017 14:40
I'm wondering if there will be units that negate the -1 while moving
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 30 2017 14:42
probably
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 30 2017 14:43
Maybe anything that had slow and purposeful...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 30 2017 14:46
hmmm...
who knows :-)
we wait and see, the tension increases!
I'm a little bummed about the whole voucher thing... I finally bought GS2 about two weeks ago, but I shredded the recipt before I found out about the voucher...
(I did get it on discount at my local FLGS though so I can't complain too heavily...)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 30 2017 14:50
I mean, the GS books are mostly fluff tho. Still good buys.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 30 2017 14:51
well, that is the primary reason I purchased it anyway :-)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 30 2017 14:52
I still need my books for the gt I'm going to in July. Too close to the drop, so 7th it is
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 30 2017 14:54
do you think they'll drop it end of Q2, or end of Q3 for the Christmas rush...??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 30 2017 15:00
8th ed is rumoured for a june/july release
also pistols in CC, hell yes!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 30 2017 15:04
uhuh, I'm glad I've magnetised some of my Deathwatch :-)
also, the CC order seems like it could massively change the dynamics of combat...
in all, I'm happy with everything I've heard so far... seems like a combination of the streamlined ruleset from 4th combined with some new dynamics that they've tried and tested with AoS, I think it will be a breath of fresh air that 40k needs
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 30 2017 15:09
yeah, recognisably 40k but fresh and hopefully a lot smoother
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 15:10
I'm excited for 30k's eventual update - Destroyers will be awesome- double pistol unit in cc
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 30 2017 15:13
@FarseerVeraenthis mid June is the current rumor drop. Their fiscal year ends last weekend in May.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
Apr 30 2017 15:15
that should be intereting...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 15:22
YASSSSSSS!
zopha
@zopha
Apr 30 2017 15:22
The starter box could be June and we could see the internet release of rules earlier.
One of the dates mentioned is 3rd of June for pre orders and general sale on the 17th.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 30 2017 15:32
starter has also a high change of being DG vs UM
what a time to be alive
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 15:41
ATSKNF going away is hands down one of the best things to happen
flakpanda
@flakpanda
Apr 30 2017 15:41
is it?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 30 2017 16:13
hopefully its more akin to how HH does it with the legions astartes special rule
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 16:28
If fear will be more effective that means ATSKNF needs to go away
zopha
@zopha
Apr 30 2017 18:16
New marines are on the way https://youtu.be/1_wXCBDiLEA
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:36
not sure if I like that
the video almost swayed me
but all that "Improve on the Emperor's work".... I... can't...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:37
Are you implying the Emperor is infalliable?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:37
no
but if its that easy to simply improve marines
why didnt E do it?
smells of Fabius Bile Heresy.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:38
why didn't he?\
do you emember the Thunder Warriors?
remember*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:38
I have no idea what you speak about blam
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:38
they were arguably BETTER then astartes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:38
volatile
instable
so you imply they are fixed thunder warriors?
or.. comparable?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:39
what if it is Thunder Warrior tech, perfected by astartes pscho-indoctrination?
or, perhaps, closer to custodes?
who again, are better then astartes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:40
by being descendent from E's genes
but I admit, astartes were made for mass production
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:41
but also "built" more rigorusly
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:41
as stupid that sounds in 40k, in 30k that was his goal
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:41
exactly.
they were 20 "innitally" Legions of several thousand warriors.
initially*
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:42
but the Imperium can hardly maintain the SM they have
how do they now find the stuff to do THESE ones? Gene Seed is sacred and rare for a reason
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:42
Thithe
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:42
grumble grumble
ok, it might be explainable
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:43
Each and every chapter must submit a tithe of geneseed to the mechanicus every so often.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:43
still doesnt feel right
the angels of death -2nd class marines!
marines were the pinnacle of humainty
now they're not
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:43
hence the bit about those chapters who were completely destroyed fighting again
hardly.
they never were the pinnacle - that was the Primarchs.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:44
primarchs arent humans
marines were humans - once. They're transhumans
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:45
or post-humans, but fair point
however, custodes are also post-humans.
hell, even thunder warriors were technically post human, even though iirc most were vatborn
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:47
still its technological advancement... in 40k. on its core thing.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:47
yes.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:47
I get they are putting it up well - that was the task cawl was set by... big E? Improve marines? And he was pushed of that when the heresy...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:48
however, the video made it clear that iw was based on pre-heresy tech
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:48
it makes sense. But I do not suffer negative moral modifiers for my leadership. Stubborn! DA GOOOOO!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 18:48
lol
god damnit @Thairne - join your brothers of IX and embrace the future
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
Apr 30 2017 18:51
I wait for word from the Supreme Grand Master before I officially sanction any "NuMarines" or "Indomitus Marines"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
Apr 30 2017 19:35
I like that the new crusade isnt targeted towards xenos, going back to the ways of the great crusade
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
Apr 30 2017 20:15
indeed