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4th
May 2017
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:14
so, as an example, 10 man marine squad, previously only had to take a morale test when losing 25% casualties in one round of shooting = 3 dudes. They would test on 2D6 against an unmodified Ld of 8, they have a 72% chance of passing.
with "new" morale, if they lost 3 dudes (25% rounded up) and have a Leadership of 7, you have a 50% chance of losing more dudes
because you lose one dude on a 4, two dudes on a 5 and three dudes on a 6. in that case, bad rolling reduces your squad size from 10 to 4 in one turn :worried:
how do you decide who the "extra" casualties are? That could make things tricky for specialist units - like my entire Deathwatch army...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:24
sorry, that's not quite right... the casualties + D6 has to be "bigger" than the Leadership...
so, one extra casualty on a 5, two on a 6.
although, that does mean Marines "ignore" morale if they only take one casualty per turn
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:26
i imagine its randomly allocated who runs away
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:27
I'm not sure if that's better or worse...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:28
well it would be worse for the controlling play since they have a chance to lose their special weapons/characters
though I hope independent character are immune to it (eg. Heroic Morale)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 10:30
All the rumors I've seen so far seem to indicate controlling player chooses casualties is back
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:31
for everything, or just morale?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:32
fair question, and yes, I could argue both ways...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 10:33
Everything
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:34
time to add some more ablative wounds to my squads...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:35
plasma guys to the front, everyone else get out of the way
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:44
so they're in range, or just to show off to scare your opponent??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:45
gotta get that rapid fire :D
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:46
hmmm.. I wonder if rapid fire will go back a couple of revisions... used to be 2 x 12" OR 1 x 24" if you didn't move or 1 x 12" if you did move...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:47
sounds like a bad salvo weapon
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 10:47
a really bad one
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:48
but i did notice that boltguns are now "Rapid Fire 1" so it looks like they want to do more with the weapon type
(other than hurricane bolters)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:50
hmm... it certainly made you think about moving or not! They changed it to encourage more close-range firefights to 2x12" OR 1x24" whether you moved or not
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 10:52
but S4 AP 0 is a terrible weapon in the first place
that change would make it barely useable unless you buff marines mobility - which they didn't
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:52
yeah, i remember rapid fire squads always having a stand-off against each other, neither wanting to be the first one to move into rapid fire range
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:52
and then also added in the charging restriction, otherwise, you could gun people down and then assault - which was nasty if you pulled it off...!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:54
i have no idea why the boltgun has no AP unless theyre also nerfing most armour saves at the same time
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 10:54
Lol @Thairne with your new name seeing Gitter notifications on my phone is awesome lol
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:54
S4 AP0 is only terrible if you use existing saves. of course, if everyone takes a -1 to their armour value you're almost back to a similar state as today
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 10:55
because a -1 armor mod is really really good already. Reducing marines to 4+ and terminators to marine levels?
glad it gets a chuckle out of you :P
and it would STILL be worse than the old AP5
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:55
well... I'm not sure if everyone will get a -1, what did the marine profile they posted the other day have on it??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:55
3+
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 10:55
classic 3+
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:56
but the new edition does give the opportunity to rebalance things
eg, at present, Eldar Guardians don't get a save Vs Bolters (5+ Av Vs AP 5) - if they took a -1 to their save, and the Bolter stays AP0 - they get a tiny boost to their survivability but without totally changing everything
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 10:58
however you don't just shoot eldar guardians.
Terminators currently pay HEAVILY for their 2+
reducing that to a 3+ is a big deal... it basically halves the chances of a successfull save
for a gun on basic infantry
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 10:58
but they would be worse against all weapons that arent exactly AP5
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 10:58
I dread what tau rifles would do with 5 -1
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:59
well, we know marines aren't taking a -1, so I doubt terminators would
unless the strength is changed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 10:59
the modifier is global unless you somehow saw a rule I missed?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 10:59
*weapon strength
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 11:00
terminators are 2+ save with 2 wounds
and only 5" movement
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:00
the system still is stuck with D6. Moving it to D12 by just doubling the values, keeping the same rations, you suddenly could give marines a 6+ save. A -1 mod is not that harsh in that systems
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:01
I love this community- I'm just sitting here eating my Lebanon bologna and smoked gruyere with sweet hot mustard watching you guys debating
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:01
sorry, I'm talking about a reduction in save in the profile, so a Guardian would go from 5+ to 6+. so they would have a chance of saving a wound against a Bolter. and then to further balance things they could adjust the strength of other weapons... perhaps...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:01
I don't know half the words you used in your food names :P
yes, but how would you balance marine vs marine?
3+ vs 4+ save
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:02
NO!! Marines are sticking at 3+ - as previously posted...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:02
why?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:02
because they're marines
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:02
so marines should ignore -1 mods?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:02
urgh... what modifier?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:03
the AP-1 on the bolter
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:03
I'm not suggesting a modifier, I'm suggesting that Bolters are AP0 because they have blanaced shooting through other means - an example of which would be adjusting save values in the profiles...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:04
but the saves are huge steps. if bolter would get -1, PA should be 2+ to compensate.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 11:04
and terminators can be 1+
seems good to me
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:05
1+ hehehehe
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 11:05
makes sense from a fluff standpoint :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:06
and really it all depends what they have used for their "standard" weapon
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:06
short story - D6 is not feasible for a -1 for basic weapons. The end :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 11:06
and yet it works in SW:A :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:06
that's because thats HERESY
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:06
hehehehe!! I knew it had been too long without some HERESY!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:07
and I've literally no clue about that Space Wolves thing ;)
gotta earn that noble title
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:07
and @alphalas I like watching the discussion too :smile:
also - who said all saves will be made on 1D6...?!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:08
we have no indication that it is otherwise
a 2+ on 2D6 would be... interesting :DF
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:08
and we have yet to see the final damage tables - since profiles can go above 10, the damage tables have to change...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 11:08
S 20 against T 3... 2+ to wound :D
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:08
well exactly
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:09
roll a 1.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 11:09
tis but a scratch
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:09
All right, we'll call it a draw.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:10
:smile: :+1: :cuddle:
fluff today - it'll be interesting to see what happens there... and then "Battle forged" armies on Friday - can't wait :-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:13
newsflash:
Robot launches his Indomitus Crusade. Beats back Abbadon at a cost. NuMarines prove a success.
Mechanicus decovers psychic STC as hinted in Codex
*discovers
giant warpstorm leads to chaos incursions everywhere, a split empire struggling utner Robots leadership to deal with the strengthened chaos threat
xenos keep xenosing, have to deal with chaos as well, easing some pressure on the imperium
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:17

spoliers

spoilers even...

Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:17
just predictions :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:17
:-P
will the GS characters make it to Terra though??
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 11:18
they already did, didnt they?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:18
will Cypher duff Emps, or will Yvraine restore him to life??
ah - I've not got a full copy of GS3, so I've not read it all...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:19
nah they've written off emps
that's why they went for Robot
they talked about it in GS2 I think
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:19
I did read that in GS2
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:19
and yes they did, robot talked to emps in GS3
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:19
(I have GS2 IRL!!)
wowsers, can I have a full copy of GS3 then?? does someone have the ePub?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:20
I wonder if Robot isntalled a Text-to-speech-device on the throne... ^^
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:20
perhaps they did a spirit walk
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:22
I think @alphalas has quite the collection of that stuff
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:25
WHO DARES SUMMON oh you want ePub links eine moment
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:28
Danke!!
:+1:
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:29
Bitte
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:32
you guys are cute trying to German :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:33
I am German, ass ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:34
well do you know what a Bodenschleifmaschinenverleih is then?
or... Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz
?!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:35
Jesus ok stop it my German is rusty lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:35
of course there is also Grundstücksverkehrsgenehmigungszuständigkeits-übertragungsverordnung
see? Cute :D
don't ask me to translate those though. That would be a daunting task :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:36
Isn't the first one a floor polisher?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:36
pretty much
floor polisher rental
although polisher isn't exact.. its more like a floor sanding machine
to polish = polieren, to sand = schleifen
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:37
Yeah over here in the states we just swap the pads to go from refinishing (sanding) to polishing
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:38
I've had to operate my fair share of polishers
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:38
so
you polished your wood?
sips coffee
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:38
In basic my platoon had to completely refinish and polish the tile floor in the barracks
Ironically never on wood though, sorry to disappoint lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:39
Aw damn
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:41
But that's also one of the things I love about the German language- don't have an official brand name for something? Just describe it in varying levels of detail as one word and call it that
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:41
German is like lego :P
you can build ANYTHING
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:41
It is lol
Even global empires ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:42
sometimes we are too occupied with creating words that we never think about if we SHOULD
well.. those didn't end up too well, did they?
Britain was better at that
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:42
I don't know, the current financial empire is pretty good
Yeah but they also had to deal with a bunch of revolutionaries
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:43
financial empire... you know that's pretty much trump propaganda, right?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:43
Dude, I've been keeping an eye on Frankfurt since I was a child
Germany is the financial nerve center of the EU
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:44
cough london still cough
can'T help if the Brits kill themselves and some banksters move over tho
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:44
London doesn't count - GB done screwed the pooch
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:45
well it did not that long ago tho. So.. financial empire? :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:47
They were only successful because of the EU though - Germany is practically the backbone
And I mean, come on - GB is also backasswards
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:50

and we, the populace, paid a hard price for that.
That's what pretty much killed our social democratic party for 15 years... the agenda 2010.
It was a harsh social reform that really put many poorer people under the dunk. Hartz IV is the keyword here.
the low loan sector is huge in Germany. Millions of people cannot live from their work and need social welfare to live - about 8-10% actually.
All that economic success was bought with poverty and a decline in the social welfare

that's why "BUT GERMANS ARE RICH AND NEED TO PAY!" makes me want to punch people in the face. The country is fine, economics wise. Many people are not.

and telling those people they need to pay up for Greece and harbour 1,5 million refugess gets them up in arms. Rightly so.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:50
No I hear you
Trust me, 3/4s of the US is about in the same state, financially
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:51
ffs I am an IT guy and I pay the highest tax rate there is. With below 60k annual salary
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:51
Jesus fucking Christ
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:51
jup
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:52
that's basically the way the UK is heading... the rich/poor divide is only getting wider
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:52
Yup
The US is already there - ESPECIALLY in the Midwest
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:53
I'm counted as a top earner abd pay 42% taxes. Plus insurances enforced by the state, like health care and unemployment. I have about 50% of my income left. And I am told I need to pay more.
that's capitalism for you
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:53
sounds similar to my position
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:53
capitalism is like democracy - an inherently flawed concept
but unfortunately the best we've got.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 11:53
well - what are the other options...?!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:54
they're even more shitty
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:54
People also forget that the US isn't a democracy either - which is part of the issue
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:54
that's the problem
yeah, yours is a rather... inpractical system
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:55
It's a slightly more democratic version of the roman system- what do you expect lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:56
the best form of government, but unfortunately impossible with human flaws, would be a competent, benevolent dictatorship.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:56
I've been saying that for years
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:56
because its true! But there is no such thing as competent and benevolent.
unless we develop a perfect AI that is :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:57
Socialism only works in Small sparsely populated countries (aka Scandinavia), and from what I've gathered it's even starting to fail there
Also true
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:58
Socialism can work - IF you don't overdo it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 11:58
Another issue in the US is the migration to the coasts
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 11:58
a safety net needs to be just that - a safety net. But you also need to take care that it does not get exploited.
well hopefully that means less rednecks and less Trump voters :P
you know what happens here? Germany is obliged to pay child support for children of people that don't even LIVE in Germany. One parent is here, the other in lets say poland - we have to pay for those 2 Polish childs.
how fucked up is that?
stuff like this leads to brexit and le pens.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 12:00
No that means the more liberal voters are being distilled to the (more liberal) coastal cities, and the middle is becoming more concentrated redneck
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:00
makes them easier to nuke...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:00
pretty bad news... having said that though, if you start cutting back on things like that you lean towards nationalism
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 12:01
^this
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:01
yep, sometimes you need to though.
Obviously people are not ready for that kind of anti-nationalism yet
its going too fast
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:01
uuh, and then you're back into "competent and benevolent"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 12:01
Which we all know what happens when Germany starts leaveraging nationalism
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:02
because, how far do you go with protecting your own interests??
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 12:02
Hell, here in the states the nationalism is flaring up hard
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:02
yeah, I'm sure the Indians over there are really liking that :P All those whities stealing their land and shit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:02
you know, it all starts with migration and immigration
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:03
sure does
but let's be honest... that herd mentality is engrained in human psyche.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 12:03
Again, more with the conservative, right leaning people who think the country is running itself into the ground by being too liberal
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:03
your herd, your descendants, your familiy is more important to you than that other group over there.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 12:03
It is
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:04
so nationalism is just an extension from that
you're never gonna eradicate that in any forseeable generation
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 12:04
Agreed
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:04
so trying hard to will overextend the will of the people to accept that
and spring back in your face even harder
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 12:04
However, part of the issue (at least in the states) is there is no middle ground
The right is going more right, the left more left
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:06
that's a problem
going the middle way is almost always the best solution
over here everything is too lefty. There is no middle-right party anymore, so people that don't see themselves agreeing with the lefties have only radicals left.
There was a party a few years ago that tried to fill that space, but got taken over my.. well.. nazis.
pinch of salt, and such
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:12
yeh saw that on faeit. Seems to shotgunny for my tastes.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 12:14
Well that's the issue here - the northeast and whole west coast are solidly left blue, but the rest of the goddamn country is going deep red right
And the divide is only growing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:14
ofc. You can see that every election. The more remote, the more rednecky
once you get in contact with the world, you liberalize
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:23
rumours look good :-)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:25
i like the reserves changes
nothing more frustrating than your termie lord being sat in reserves for the first 3 turns
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:26
a thousand times that
or deeps triking your int chap in TDA with a squad of deathwing knights - scatter - mishap - unit destroyed.
600 pts down the drain
intercept on everything is tough though
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:28
within 9" and at a -1
just means you have to be careful where you drop in
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:29
uhuh, all sounds good to me :-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:29
yeah but most DS units want to assault
so DS far away may make them sitting ducks
part of the problem is sitting there and taking a round of fire in the shooting phase
PLUS another one as DS Overwatch..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:29
depends if you can charge out of DS
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:30
true
don't think they'd do that tho. That's broken as heck, especially with the dragging into combat thing
imagine that unit of Knights landing in a tau gunline...
the carnage... glorious!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:30
but they still have to endure double overwatch
and they can disenguage
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:31
if I get to clobber tau one turn
and get 2 units to NOT shoot for a turn... that's still powerful
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:31
doesnt seem unreasonable
charging out of transports too :D
meat is most definitely back on the menu
zopha
@zopha
May 04 2017 12:33
Can you pivot after moving? :D
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:33
9" move + 2D6 is a large threat range
zopha
@zopha
May 04 2017 12:33
Might see some power sliding Rhinos.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 12:33
yes, as long as you keep within X inches entierly, where X is the movement range
we had that FAQed for a while now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:36
and bigger deployment zones, so no-man's is only 18", means turn one charges are feasible if your enemy doesnt stay back
especially if you paint your transports red :)
zopha
@zopha
May 04 2017 12:37
But that FAQ won't apply to this edition. I can't see them leaving it out though.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:40
well if its worded the same then theres a good case for it
zopha
@zopha
May 04 2017 12:41
With the reduction on rules volume it'll probalby be the same movement rules for everything.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:42
yeah, first turn charges are a double edged sword - I remember a rather horrible game against some tyranids, it was at a doubles tournament and let's say the measurements our opponents were using were "generous" - a lot of guardians got munched during that battle...
I'm also loving the fact you can charge out of transports
wraithblades in wave serpents?
howling banshees are now back to being a "thing"
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:43
oh yeah, i forgot vehicles are the same as everything else. facing now only matters for weapon arcs :D
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:43
and I can now properly plan the arrival of my Deathwatch army :-)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:43
and i would love to be able to field a melee eldar army again
(without using super-heavy fliers)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:44
yup :-)
and I finished my Corvus the other day too... I can't wait..
I mean, I enjoy playing now, and I still play with models I like the look of (so I sometimes still use my Banshees) but these changes could make the game even more awesome
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:47
ive tried using storm guardians to cover the banshees, but theyre just too expensive for how bad they are
and gaining +1 WS from the aspect shrine does very little compared to +1 BS on other aspects
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:49
yeah, I've never seriously considered using storm guardians - for me, guardians are bubble wrap for a support platform...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 12:50
also, marbo's back
i've mostly given up on taking guardians of any kind. theyre just expensive and fragile
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 12:59
well, my standard tactics would be to run a Guardian Battlehost with a Warlock in every Guardian squad (free weapons platforms and conceal (although, not as powerful as it once was...)), advance as quickly as possible (battle focus and auto 6" run) while firing the heavy weapons, then bladestorm everything to death...
and yes, I saw Marbo is back...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 13:03
i thought you couldnt shoot heavy weapons after running?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 13:06
relentless
platforms have relentless, hence all groovy :-)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 04 2017 13:07
Maybe
They used to
Who knows if that exists
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 13:08
we're talking 7th atm :)
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 13:08
well, I'd assume in the new edition it would be -1 to hit
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 13:25
but yes, just about got to the stage of having a painted Guardian Battlehost before I started my Deathwatch adventure... hopefully both will be good in the new edition, otherwise I'll have to start painting my Dark Angels army...
and then I have some harlequins to paint from Death Masque, so I could also go down the Ynnari route...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 13:30
I just hope wraith weapons are a little less ridiculous so i can stop feeling bad for taking a wraith host
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 13:31
just make sure you paint the DA black :P
right @Thairne ?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 13:31
Scale of heresy.jpg
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 13:32
trim them gold as well, they'll look even better :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 13:32
:+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 04 2017 13:32
I hate y'all! :P
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 13:32
well... I have a green land raider which I absolutely refuse to re-paint, so, green it is for me :-)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 13:32
love you too @Thairne
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 13:33
:kiss:
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 14:07
it's quite surprising for me that I actually have 3 decent sized armies - well, if they were all built and painted of course...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 04 2017 14:08
fuck yes, more distraction from work - just what I needed!!
well, that was a bit of nothing really...
back to work it is then!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 15:20
MARBOOOOOOO!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 04 2017 15:23
:+1:
put him into SW:A earlier :D
also wtf, i just noticed he's only 25pts
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 04 2017 15:51
Also doesn't have his det-pack anymore sadpanda