These are chat archives for BSData/wh40k

5th
May 2017
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2017 14:26
more or less what we expected
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:26
yup
nice to see flyers now have their own FOC
and DedTrans are now seperate too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2017 14:27
yeah, im interested to see how that works
do you still have to purchase them as part of a unit, or are they just transports that can be used by anyone in the detachment?
also, imperium faction?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:30
keyword
like death
a nighthaunt army is both faction nighthaunt and faction death
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2017 14:31
so can you just have a "death" detachment?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:32
yeah that draws from all the death factions - but you get a lot more benefits from going into the more granular detachments.
@Kohato @cartag i explained it right?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2017 14:32
oh someone in another chat just gave a good example
you can have specialist units that are just their own faction (eg. Blood Angels)
and then you have general units which include their parent faction (eg. Blood Angels, Imperium)
so an imperium detachment wouldnt have access to the specialist unit
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:34
but that means you can combine basically everything in a single detachment.....
Dark Angels, Imperium
Blood Angels, Imperium
Space Wolves, Imperium
cartag
@cartag
May 05 2017 14:35
But wouldn't get the special rules for a sub faction
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:35
yes
cartag
@cartag
May 05 2017 14:35
Like AoS now.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:35
that means EVERYTHING is Fuck Cadia.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:35
yeah i think there's nothing saying you can't take the special units, just don't get the rules.
cartag
@cartag
May 05 2017 14:35
/nod
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:36
everything is Grand Convocation.
everything is that black templar crusade thing.
BS cannot handle that.
I can't handle that.
1 DA Int Chap, 1 BA Company Master, 2 Astra Militarum Squads (expecting everyone to at least be "Imperium")
oh and throw in some Thunder Wolves for shit n giggles
hf validating.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2017 14:37
imperium is now one catalogue presses ejector button
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:38
we would create custom S7 Notes out of every smartphone with that
EXPLOSIONNNN!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:38
yes - however, from what they said previously keywords matter and rules only transfer to units with same keyword.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:38
I dont care about rules here
I care about building the detachment and validating it in BS
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:38
i don't think we'll need to validate near as much
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:39
3-5 HQs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:39
ok - keywords?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:39
each HQ can come from a different catalogue
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:39
but we got that working with our half-assing.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:40
because it was somewhat limited
now it's everywhere
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:40
so if John impliments keywords it should work far more nicely
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:40
I don't know, I have no experience with AoS
but with current BS...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:42
i summoned john in the bsdata chat with the link to this article
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:42
Jon didnt react to Kohato's summon almost a month ago.
actually his last word was on feb 25th
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:44
if all else fails i'll tweet him again
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:45
you should. Right now.
Time is of the essence...
if sheeple abandon BS because it cant deal with 8th they aint coming back. Like a failed MMO launch
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:46
wasn't there a uservoice for keywords?
@amis?
damnit @amis92
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 14:48
nothing with 10 votes and upwards
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 14:54
So, keywords are going to be huge. We need them added in now
Thanks a what held me back for AoS and I kinda got around it.
But for 40k...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:56
tweeted and summoned.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 14:56
It will kill us for validation if we.dont have them.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:57
@Jonskichov just for good measure
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 14:58
Imagine going down to only the top-level faction keywords for catalogs. And having all the sub factions in them
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:58
you know how bloated thos cats will be?
those*
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 14:58
Exactly
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 14:59
we'll have to stay subfactions - but damn
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 14:59
The AoS ones aren't too bad because there aren't as.many units...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 15:00
granted hopefully with the DT slot that'll remove a shitton of the DT bloat, and we'll be able to remove most of the extra FW bloat, but that's still a massive cat
just look at CAL in 30k
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 15:02
now you get my drift.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:03
We already know every unit will transfer over too. But I'm wondering how many will be condensed. IE Tac squads. It will be one page in the book now and can choose sub faction upon creation. Kinda like chaos warriors and marks
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 15:03
theoretically possible
but cumbersome for the enduser
especially if loadout options change between codexes
or names are different (Grey Hunters)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:04
Correct
Well I don't think tac squads will = grey hunters as that's kinda space wolves thing. But if load out and points.chance based on faction, they will be different dataslates.
Change*
So it may not be that bad
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:09
Option 1: Jon has given up on BS
Option 2: He's been secretly contracted by GW
Option 3: He hasn't given up but doesn't add Keywords in time, BS dies because we can't do 40k anymore.
That's all there is really
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:10
But if we retain sub faction catalogs as is, with out keywords, a lot will fall into the gst for multiple use.
Option 4: another arises from the ashes
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 15:11
Option 4: He dead.
Option 5: He's implementing Keywords right now and doesnt tell us because reasons
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:11
At that point, why maintain the repo. Azyr does what BS does without validation
It's save to assume 40k azyr will do the same thing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 05 2017 15:12
no bs, no repo.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:13
Is azyr that website?
Brb
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:15
the app
that they said is coming for 40k
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2017 15:20
basically a digital codex combined with a calculator?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:21
No, it's a calculator with the bare minimum validation, for 99c a month
Batallions and batallion points are added if you buy the digital codex
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2017 15:21
its a subscription?!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:21
for the calculator
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 15:21
yep
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:21
yea
the actual "List builder" without points is free
and points are readily available via pdf and on scrollbuilder
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2017 15:22
and people use this?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:22
oh yea. It's a pretty nice little app. Could definately use improvements though
Like batallion validation
I've not subbed to it because I know my lists for treemen. If it's a GW supported one for 40k though? for the same 99c a month? I'd probably do it
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:26
Yeah, this will be the biggest hurdle, especially if BS isn't ready right after 8th drops. They said the app wouldn't be available at launch but soon after.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 15:27
@Kohato i saw john RT a BSData tweet so he's not dead
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:30
not dead =/= stopped working on BS
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 05 2017 15:30
wasnt there a BS patch recently?
zopha
@zopha
May 05 2017 15:35
He replied to a user voice issue today.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:36
Oh he's doing patches
zopha
@zopha
May 05 2017 15:36
Saying it was fixed in .17
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:36
Just ignoring pleas for response
His patch notes have been identical for the past 3~ releases on ios too
so who knows what he's actually doing
I suppose I can't complain though. the notes used to be "Fixed things"
zopha
@zopha
May 05 2017 15:36
And I've found root entries have moved around slightly for me in .17
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 05 2017 15:37
yeah SEs move up the list in the data editor
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:38
idk, we can all be hopeful, but we need to be prepared for moving forward as is
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:39
Without a response from Jon? best way to invite change is to drop it like it's hot.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:39
im not saying dont try
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:40
It's not feasible or user friendly to continue on in the convoluted way that will be required.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:40
just that we need to be prepared
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 05 2017 15:40
If data isn't updated, users will complain, if more than a small group of data authors complain, it may get attention more than we appear to be getting.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 05 2017 15:40
possible, yes