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10th
May 2017
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 08:17
well we now know how rapid fire works.
number is at max range, double that number at half range. So bolters stayed at 1/2
FRFSRF turns Lasguns into RF 2, so 2/4 shots. That's almost scary.
marines really need something,...
going with old points, thats 12 S3 shots on 4+ vs 2 s4 shots on 3+
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 08:27
4 FRFSRF kill a marine. 18 kill a Terminator.
That's some offensive output for guard.
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
May 10 2017 08:41
Don't forget chapter tactics for marines, only fair when you compare them to guard under orders.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 09:25
yes, overwatching on 2 will definately help me there..
or rather overwatch on 5+
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
May 10 2017 09:44
Or we wait and see what chapter tactics will be like in 8th :wink:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 11:01
They said they want to keep the playstyle
DA are stoic and stubborn
I do not see stoic and stubborn, or heck, even rerolling 1s, compensate for that kind of superior firepower
orders seriously need to be limited, especially since they are automatic now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 11:02
And you haven't seen any of the dark angel special rules yet
/js
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 11:02
while true... 12 s3 vs 2 s4 is really hard to compensate.
especially now that everything is gauss
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 11:07
I like it - it's more like 30k - stuff is GOING to die
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 11:07
yes and there'S still cover. 12 S3 won't do jack against marines in cover
but the difference in shots is staggering
if marines put out like 8 s4 under the same conditions witha buff - ok, I can see that
but 2 vs 12? insane
those orders better cost those fabled command points
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 11:09
I'm willing to bet they do
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 11:12
wonder how doctrines and canticles work
if they cost command points they better not have a downside
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 11:50
https://www.facebook.com/groups/spikeybitshobbies/permalink/1357685357633173/ this amuses me - and should prove that even once GW releases Ryza we're probably still right there in it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 11:53
what is it? i'm not in the group
there direct link
pretty much MBG confirms everything @Kohato said about ayzr
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:06
sells BS a bit short tho.
The entire validating and rules thing we do is huge.
but ZOMFG PRUTTY PIKSHURES
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:06
but he does point out that BS does more then azyr.
also, AoS BS isn't as constrained as 40K or 30K - @flakpanda has done a good job getting it to where it is, but you can only do so much with current BS
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:07
yeah... after rambling how pretty azyr is. Telling WHAT BS actually does better..
This is like "look at this beautiful thing! Isn't it beautiful? So pretty! other thing is better tho. Still, those pikshures!"
bah. Spikey Bits, Bols.. all the same clickbait shit.
cough heresy cough
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:09
heh - you know what we should do? once john implements Keywords, a few of us should descend on the AoS repo and fix it. it'll give good practice for 40k ;)
BoLS's quality has been on the rise
and FNT is still one of my favorite 40k podcasts
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:10

without any knowledge about AoS that's more likely to screw it up from my part tho :P

bols probably got told off by Lexicanum.

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:11
well, if you have the AoS app (which is free), and access to a copy of the generals handbook (which you do), it's really not hard to figure out.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:12
Id still rather not mess around in a system I've never touched before
Thats also the reason I dont touch other catalogues than those I actively play
and yes... bols has less inflammatory clickbait titles.
I still prefer "8th Edition: Character Rules and How they Interact " compared to "40K BREAKING: Characters in 8th"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:14
fair - i just think they could really use a perfectionist stubborn german over on that side. ;)
also, maybe working it will make you want stunties or lizardmen more ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:15
you soddin' basterd!
THAT'S your plan!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:15
one of us! one of us! lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:16

well I'm nearing mechanical completion on my 2nd, this time seems to be working, chainsword.
Some soldering, then final assembly, decoration and painting.

After that I should find time again to slop paint on plastic crack..

Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:16
nice!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:17
I stuck it together using clamps.. and the CHAIN TURNS!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:17
yeah i've been neglecting my BA, what with all the 30k bugfixes i've been doing.
but then again when you axe like 20 bugs across 5 releases in the span of a week, you're doing pretty good lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:18
a perfectionist stubborn German would rage at so many bugs being even THERE :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:18
oh trust me, thats WHY i killed them all
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:19
the seed is strong!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:19
now we're down to a respectable 6
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:19
that's debatable :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:19
there's a shitton of work that needs to be done in those 6, though lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:20
just wait till they aosify 30k :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:20
oh the plan is to just rip off most of the 40k GST to give us a head-start
because obviously 30k will trail behind 40k
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:21
if they change it at all. 30k rnus well and with not that many complaints, doesnt it?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:22
yes - however, i don't think it's in GW's business interests to fragment the player base - especially with the fact that they seem to be unifying AoS and 40K under similar systems.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:23
both would make sense. Keep 30k more separate because otherwise i'd be too similar
and unifying the rules
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:23
also, Alan Bligh (the asstard who writes ALL the 30k books) has gone on record several times saying that 30k is a 40k expansion, not a standalone game.
i'm gunna close #3705 - 5 days, no response.
hey @Kohato, are legacies just a SSEG i can link to on the mastodon to close #3706?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:28
They're like ... 10
but yea
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:28
oh it's not one unified SSEG? damn
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:28
Nope, can't
you get legacies for flyers, tanks, walkers, SH, and any damned combination
<3 FW /s
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:29
can't you just add hide conditions?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:29
I have it set up easy enough, just more than 1.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:29
or is that part of the reason CAL is so damn bloated?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:30
Hide based on every single vehicle?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:30
...fair
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:30
If we had custom categories yes ;)
One of the implementations I would've used it for in 7th
thankfully 8th says fuck FW and I don't have to worry about it then
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:30
oh god that'll be so good for 30k
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:31
in short - yea, they'd SSEG you can link, just it'll be more than 1.
*There's
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:31
I've SSEG for every possible type.. easier to validate and link
I think. Been a while.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:32
I think I used a leas common denominator kind of thing
One group for the ones that all vehicles use
another for the walker only addons
another for flyer only addons
etc
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:33
so should only be 2 for mastodon? tank and SHV?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:33
without bringing up the cat? yea that sounds right
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:33
:+1: \
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:34
In totally related news, I got 2 jobs :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:34
sweet!
the rock island one?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:34
One's a DOD position, so I need to take a Security+ exam, then get clearance which will be 4-6 months
the other is a Guard job at a factory here in town in the mean time.
Aye
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:35
sweet, good for you dude
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:35
Thanks :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:35
i'm still unemployed, but doing the whole stay-at-home dad thing to save a bit on childcare.
so there's that on my side lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:36
meanwhile, I fix BS Cals at work... :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:36
Yea, there's that benefit. More time with kids too i'm sure they like it
CATs?
I did that too :p Made the entire ynnari cat at work
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 12:36
I'm not a vet! How should I? ;)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:37
oh, @Kohato, somebody askied me about succubi not being able to take certain wargear in ynarri.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:37
Yea, it's in the buglist
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:37
is that a thing, or should i beat him for not updating his data?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:37
they can't be upgraded to the elite version or something
After I take this practice test i'll open it up to take a look
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:38
ok so beat him for being an idiot and not reading his rules correctly, roger
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:38
I'm all for berating people but he's probably right :p
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:38
damnit.
you put hide constraints in the SSEGs, right?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:38
#3681
For Legacies? probably
The entire groups should be hidden if No "Show FW"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:39
kk - i'll assume you did and just link the fuckers.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:39
Hmm, yea that's different from succubi
ask him what he's bitching about
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:39
i will.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:39
the bug I have is for wyches
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:40
it was something about a spear iirc
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:40
Sounds sub-optimal
beat him while you're at it.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:40
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:40
If you're going ynnari, might as well go efficient.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:40
ok tank, SHT, and transport linked.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:40
Meaning you play eldar.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:41
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:41
And use ynnari because Ancient Doom vs Soulburst? Lol like it's a question
Did you just open a bug
that says it closes a bug
oh that's a pull
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:44
pull req dumdum
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:44
blob
That's what I saw in the sidebar lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:45
yes with the fancy little arrows beside it ;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:45
Oh shit those do say different things
Hah. Never paid attention to tiny icons
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:46
god damnit @Kohato - who's been doing this for longer again?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:46
@cartag
Or the old german here.
@Thairne
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:46
yes but i mean between you and me.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:47
Hah, that's cute. You think I pay attention to details.
I'm more of a smash it with a hammer til it works kinda guy
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:47
lol obviously you don't, since i had to go through and delete a bunch of LA links in CAL
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:48
Hah, how many did I add them to?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:48
EVERYTHING
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:48
That sounds like me.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:48
when the LA rule is specifically for infantry
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:48
Wonder why I did that
Hey, you approved the pull.
I blame you
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:49
lol i probably was the one who approved it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:49
you or @zopha I think
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:50
i was just smashing the approve button there for a bit because i was annoyed by it
thankfully @amis92 took it away again - how i've been able to get so much done in the past few days.
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 12:50
I've been summoned?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:50
Anyone taken a Sec+ before?
Just saying you're old.
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 12:51
Fuck off, I know that already
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:51
but not as old as @Thairne
hahaha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:51
and that Aos is god and all the senior 40K devs should fix AoS to practice for 40k once john impliment keywords
;)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:51
What, the repo?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:51
si
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:51
Can't do that until jon does put in keywords
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:52
well yes, that's the point.
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 12:52
I tried to do AoS, you deleted all my work :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:52
me or @Kohato ?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:52
I run treemen now, i've toyed with making a sylvaneth cat for it.
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 12:52
You lol, when you started working on the repo
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:52
i did? well shit, sorry
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 12:53
The wiping it all away for a clean slate?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:53
was that when i was trying to fix TK or Seraphon?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:53
probably not. Those ar Death and Order :p
Sounds like you were just malicious.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:54
idk ask @flakpanda - it's been quiet over there so i'm not sure anyone's actually been talking about it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:56
hahaah @alphalas
I forgot
I got myself banned from Spikeybits' FB
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:56
how'd you manage that this time?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:56
argued with the cuck that runs it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:56
what were you arguing with MBG about?
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 12:56
Maybe I'm wrong, I am Fucking tired
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:57
didn't sleep well?
well if you are right, it wouldn't surprise me - i did jump feet first into AoS before i fully had a grasp on the finer points of git ettiquet
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:58
I don't remember, something about quality of articles
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:58
oh yeah that's not suprising.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:58
Oh
Clickbait
I reamed him on clickbait bs
he didn't like it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 12:59
yeah Spikeybits is just sensationalist clikbait 95% of the time.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 12:59
that sounds nicer than what i probably said.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 13:00
like i told @Thairne BoLS has gotten better about their clickbait nonsense
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:00
Yea, now they're just rumormongers
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 13:00
that and FTN is a far better podcast then TLW - as amusing as kenny boucher and juice are, FTN has more substance.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:00
So much of that lately it's really hard to tell who knows what
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 13:02
you done dissing the old man? :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:02
Oh hey, he woke up.
How was your afternoon nap grandpa?
I'm satisfied now.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 13:03
I really really could use a nap right now.. that one is true.
but it's 3 PM and my boss wouldn't like that...
and I just checked. I started working on DA Sept '14
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 13:04
i just finished my morning coffee - having a espresso machine with a steam wand at home is so nice.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:04
Ohoh fancy
Just got done watching that movie yesterday
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 13:05
indeed - and it doesn't take a lot of grounds to make a good espresso, so coffee last longer then if i cold-brewed in my french press
nice!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:05
so campy
so great
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 13:05
indeed
i really need to get back to riding my bike more - then i can claim to be a proper cyclist lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:06
Sinatra Era music and heists? done :p
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:13
haha thats great
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 13:13
:+1:
a former coworker of mine got me re-hooked on cycling - once he found out i was already a bit of a coffee junkie he was like her, you're already halfway there, start riding your bike again lol
hey*
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:15
haha
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 13:22
Trying to remember how long I've been working on BS here...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:23
should have your contribution history there :)
November 2015 it seems was your first wh40k commit
11/2014 was some commits to apocformations
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 13:25
Back when Neb was still working on it before I ran him off for inferior code
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:25
#906
The first bug report
lol
I enjoy running people off.
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 13:27
That's not my fault, he was a shite data author lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:27
Haha
My first was #1828
I start out strong. Create an argument about Warlord Traits in cat files :p
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 13:28
Besides, that was only 14 bus at once
Bugs
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 13:35
  • Removed superfluous profiles and changed them to links
  • Changed local Rules to Shared Rules
  • Corrected some typos/bad english
  • Made Sacred Standards unique per Rooster
Typical for me. First thing is picking up the slack with links :D

wait what?

Removed limit for GUE

  • Max. number of Great Unclean ones not longer limited to one
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 10 2017 13:35
haha
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 13:36
the roosters were prevalent, even back then?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 13:38
that was what prompted me to take care of the file
it was bloaty.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 13:52
i'm glad whiskeyjuve has stayed away since his last appearance and fuck everything up.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:12
that faintly rings a bell..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:13
probably because he made an edit to the DA cat :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:15
yes, I think it was one of those guys that show up, mess around without asking and disappear
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:16
looks like it
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:16
he effed up marines and DA iirc
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:16
Idon't remember effing.. I remember a commit that I checked that actually was accurate
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:16
pissed everybody off - think that was the one @thairne had to fix for SM
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:17
eeeeh... no idea. My aging brain seems to have pushed that off the ledge
I remember Itsacon showing up and claiming ownership over DA. And I was like "EXCUUUUUUSE MEEEEE?!"
I AM IN CHARGE HERE, stop fingering MY work! -.-
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:19
"I'M IN CHARRRGE NOW" - Patches
twin-linked weapons are now rapid fire
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:21
and combi aren't 1 use only
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:21
and you can fire both parts at the same time
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:24
heavy d6, d3 damage for battlecannon.
str8 rend 2.
that's pretty legit
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:25
yeah, blast weapons now getting a random number of 'shots'
cant wait to load up on combi-flamers :D
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:27
i know right?
there is now literally no reason to not take combi-meltas on sternguard
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:29
also, the meltagun - termies only get a 6+ save
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:30
oh shit yeah.
and it does d6 damage
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:45
fine with that
specialised anti armour weapons reliably fuck over even terminators
twink linking doubling shots is... wow.
land raiders suddenly kick ass
4 lascannon shots, 6 heavy bolter shots all the while not being onshotted anymore
annihilator preds - 5 lascannon shots
up to 30 wounds lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:47
yep, and only a -1 penalty for moving
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:47
i think we're all missing the most important part.
what's missing on the battle cannon's profile?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:48
ordnance
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:48
inb4 defilers are broken
also, heavy bolters rend
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:49
does a twin-linked rapid fire weapon get 4x shots at half range?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:49
i would assume so.
they said 2x shots - rapid fire is 2x at half range.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:49
nah
dont forget
Rapid fire now has a number
rapid fire 1 is 1 at normal ranges, 2 at half
twin linked changes the profile
so rapid fire 2 is 2 at normal ranges, 4 at half
we now that from the AM article
so.. well.. yes :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:51
lol i said that lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:51
so hurricane bolters might be... good?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:51
hurricane would be.. rapid fire 3
neh
3 TL bolters
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:51
so 12 shots at 12"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:51
yup
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:52
rapid fire 2 times 3
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:52
that's nothing to sneeze at if you're running it up close
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:52
24 bolter shots + 8 assault cannon shots
go 6", rapid fire the shit out of target unit, disembark 6, charge 2D6+1
that's a threat range I can live with
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:53
disembark 3, if we believe the rumours
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:54
maybe assault ramps raise it to 6?
would make sense
things are made for rapid deployment
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:55
yeah, that would make sense
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:55
20" avg. assault
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 14:55
@Kohato the succubus melee weapons list is missing stuff like an agonizer or a glave
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 14:55
its under the weapon + pistol entry
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 14:55
redeemer might be worth it if they raise the range on the flamestorm too
D6 S8 hits with. eh rend 2
"Protected by bonded ceramite and adamantium armour, the Landraider is impervious to all bar the most destructive weaponry" say... lasguns.
they ought to change that marketing text, lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 15:02
hey my 3 local groups all love these changes
heh*
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 15:03
this makes me want to play with obliterators again
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 15:03
oh please no. I hate those fuckers.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 15:04
twin-linked flamers, meltas and plasmas might actually be worth getting up close for
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 15:11
oh, they edited the page. twin-linked weapons now just get double shots regardless for range
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 15:11
yeah i saw that.
even morebetter lol
see @Thairne ? i'm practicing my english-german lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 15:14
i wonder if individual models can spilt fire
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 15:25
heh people are already underestimating rend1
rend1 is big - which is why shit like seraphon's ingnore rend1 is huge.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 10 2017 15:29
its better than old AP4 against anything with good armour, or in cover
knocking space marines to a 4+, and termies to a 3+ will make a noticeable difference
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 15:32
^this.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 16:38

morebetter? mehr besser? That's a redundant superlative :P

Rend is freaky good

almost so good I don't like it.. its too powerful so you can't give it out without giving a HUGE power boost to the weapon
its like the dif between ap3 and ap2
or T4 and T5
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 16:49
OH I get it.. you meant VIEL besser!
that would actually many better I think :P
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 16:49
still works lol
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 16:52
I think I spider
there gets the dog in the pan crazy
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
May 10 2017 21:12

that would actually many better I think :P

much better actually :D

Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 10 2017 21:38
true
but not funy anymore ^^
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 10 2017 23:30
@alphalas what am i answering?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 23:31
uh if with keywords you AoS guys are planning on doing a top-down rebuild or not
i was trying to rope @Thairne and @Kohato to helping you get AoS all squared away once keyword support drops so we can be ready for 40k
cartag
@cartag
May 10 2017 23:32
If you need Khorne stuff done, I can work on Chaos implementation, but not upkeep
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 10 2017 23:32
might as well. it was what was needed from the beginning
does jon have an eta on implimentaion @alphalas ?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 10 2017 23:36
it's his next project
so next version of BS will have it
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 10 2017 23:36
so v2.1?
cool
hopefully sooner than later