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12th
May 2017
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:31
article is late today..
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 14:32
somebody in another chat said the same thing just now
i'm on to you
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:32
lol, i just pulled up the site to check
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:32
and I would've gotten away with it if not for those meddling kids!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 14:33
oh its out btw
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:33
ffs
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:34
Grav Pistols down ti 7
Tac Marines down to 13
MM up to 27 (jeez)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:34
yeah im reading that now
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 14:35
well yeah, heavy weapons got a massive buff
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:35
2/3 hours = 2k pts
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:35
and they opened up for point balance changes
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:35
"In matched play, your points will be capped across the whole game. So if you’re planning to summon units to the battlefield, you will need to set points aside to do this."
im glad and sad at this
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:35
having faced down hordes of demonettes, I'm glad
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:35
its summoning ala AoS
The points for units don’t appear on the datasheet but will be elsewhere in the same book.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:36
that's what I meant
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:37
points ala GHB. that way book arnt invalidated by point adjustments. i like this
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 14:37
i like the note about some missions using power levels outside of army building
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:38
also we saw a new mission for the first time
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:38
yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:38
with 12" distance you better be ready to be charged
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:38
for sure
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:39
Nothing surprising today. Glad for confirmation of things
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 14:39
yeah, seems like deployment zones are going to be closer together across the board
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:39
Time to get popcorn for summoning shitstorm
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:39
i mean, im sure there is the standers dawn of war deployment
lol @Kohato
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:40
"I cant double my army anymore in 2 turns? autistic screeching
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:40
did you guys see the FB comment someone made about it and GWs super sarcatic response?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:40
Oh yea
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:40
lol, so great
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:41
Adepticon sealed it if it wasn't before
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:41
citation needed
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:41
was summoning that bad this year?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:41
Final table had something like 38 war charge all for summoning
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 14:41
yeah i wanna see this response lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:41
It was just not even fun to watch
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:41
damn. i did it locally to test it out, my opponent going in knowing what i was going to do. he said it was the least fun game he had played in while
i was testing comp lists.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:42
Yep. It's just a long slog of a game that can't be fun for anyone but the cheesemonger
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:43
even i was getting tired of doing it. just so much to manage.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:43
was it that tzeentch likes change one?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:43
Aye
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 14:43
Ah
so
It was some dude asking about summoning

and not liking it

and GW was like "But we thought you tzeentch guys LIKE change?!"

flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:44
i cant find the screen cap anymore
i dont really remember where i saw it now
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:50
did anyone notice that there is a abiliy on the rubric reveal without text?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:50
it was addressed
if you'd bother to READ!!!!!!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:50
oh, outcome?
...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:50
:p yea its a common rule
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:50
ok
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:51
They said common rules or army wide ones won't be detailed
on the datasheet
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:51
well that makes sense
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:51
but elsewhere in the book (probably at the start of the faction)
still not sure what that one actually does
but it will be there somewhere
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:51
yeah
bonus vs SM/imperium prob
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 14:52
yeah, i was thinking +1 to hit in melee against imerium
keep it similar to how it is atm
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:52
aye that makes sense
Like necrons will have their original Reanimation back I hope
it was crunch wise inferior, but so much more fun
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 14:53
you mean WBBR?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:53
Yea
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 14:54
oh WBB rolls were the best
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:54
*rolls
So much more fun than Reanimationsuperfnp rules
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 14:54
then again i always played for the phase-out - so yes, i was THAT asshole.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:55
i mean, thats how you played against necrons then
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:55
Now THAT I hope never returns
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 14:55
that was literally the only way to beat them :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 14:55
mission is secure the building? oh, what's your phase out? 6 units? kk i got this force phaseout
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:55
Old c'tans were fun too
with powers being chosen rather than dice roll
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 14:56
old c’tan were actually usefule
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:56
hey, Deathbringer is still useful
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 14:56
i hated nightbringer
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 14:56
Transcendant is only useful in a Conclave of the Burning one ever since FAQ
Tvault, while fun, is pretty useless
Nightbringer is my boy.
Oh? You want to lock him in combat? ok
whenever the fuck I want
Gaze of death
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 14:57
it got to the point with my buddies i optimized my army to force phase out so quick they basically had to go to running bringer at me as quick as possible to stop me.
but my necron buddies also love all the necron shenanigans too so it was all fair lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:00
can you not add a modifier to a contrant in the gst? the contextual menu doesnt populate when i click add new with a constrant selected
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 15:02
the modifier goes on the entry, not the contraint
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:02
yeah, i just had a brain fart :P i realised that after i typed that, lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 15:03
happens to the best of us :D
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:05
was doing transports the new transport constrains
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 15:44
it's only been an hour an i've already run out of popcorn
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:44
lol
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:44
lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:45
that's to be expected
daemons players were not ready for that change.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:45
haha
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:46
anybody who played AoS knew it was comming - they just didn't want to see it coming.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:46
Aw, poor players. Not able to endlessly summon and split
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:46
wouldn't split technically not be restricted by it?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:46
Necron players are affected too!
Split is a new unit
New units must be paid for
at least that's how aos is
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:47
if it is like AoS, than any NEW units, regardless of source, have to be accounted fore
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:47
true.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:47
*for
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:47
damn that is brutal
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:47
Necron players can't summon scarabs anymore
Oh noes
/s
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:47
lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 15:47
so why not just deploy the unit on the board at the start of the game?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:47
lol scarab conga was just dumb
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:48
Scarab Conga was dumb as shit
I normally summoned 1 extra to hit 4, then they went off down the field while my spyder stuck next to ghost arks
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:48
@GenWilhelm you dont have to declare what the held back points are for
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:48
Flexibility Gen
You set back 300 points
you can use that to summon whatever you want
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:48
so you could summon something situational
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:48
Also, deep strike (kind of)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 15:48
ah, i get it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:48
You summon it on the back line instead of deploy on your line
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 15:49
so if a unit has a "split" ability you can choose not to use it to get those points as summoning elsewhere
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:49
The only drawback AOS has with it (and I hope they don't do that in 40k) is a large number of Death units have key abilities that summon units
Which are now useless without paying
Aye, if split still exists
it will be "may"
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:50
i mean, unchecked in open play, death was retartedly dominate
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:50
AOS words it all as "You Can" not "You do"
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:50
yeah, everything TK you mean.

sideeye's gw*

Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:50
Oh agreed. Death with unlimited summoning is as bad as Daemon spam now
I don't want unlimited summoning
I want useful ablities
Vampire Mortarchs create vampire lords when killing Heroes? Ok useless.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:51
split should still be around
its in AoS, i just never use it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:51
why would you
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:51
hey now, people who wanted to run TK armies got kinda boned by the changes to death.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:51
Save 300 points and summon a 2nd Lord of Change
Because lol
What changes?
Death hasn't been looked at in nearly all of AOS
Except FEC, and that was just hey here are some batallions
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:51
TK are actually one of the better death armies tho
shit is undercost for sure
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:52
I sold my entire death force and went tree people because Death was getting no love (And I hate skeleton/zombie spam ... which is the only effective way to play death unless you go mourngul spam)
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:52
death itself doesnt have many playstyles due to last of units tho :/
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:53
I discount TK in my statements, because I didn't have TK and have no way to buy TK at a reasonable cost.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:53
flesh-eaters are pretty good tho
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:53
FEC aren't terrible, stupidly resillient with the model regen
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:53
the catapult was pretty boss - so was the giant.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:53
But they skew too close to nurgle for my liking
Skeleton warriors? Nagash? Cool.
Flesh hanging bits? Nah.
Necrosphynxes are badass
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:54
also archaon with DoT is stupid broken
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:54
and deadly too
DoT?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:54
our local death player was killing me with how he kept running kremmler with a giant and catapult.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:54
deciples of tzeentch
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:54
Oh, yea
One of my test lists I was debating getting was that
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:54
pick the +1hit/wound spell. slayer of kings in 5s now
*on
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:55
Lord of Change, Archaeon, Chaos Sorcerer Lord, 20 pink horrors, 20 chaos warriors, and a daemon prince.
It wasn't a kind list.
At all
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:55
i dont think you can use warriors as they dont have tzeentch keyword until on the board?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:55
@Kohato check the BS main chat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:55
You can
they get it as they setup
Varanguard are what you're thinking
they get it first hero phase
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:56
i know about varaguard
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:56
Take the right destiny dice stuff from the allegience and you never run out
Use a dice, on a 6 you get another.
Hero phase, roll a dice. 1 or 6, replace one
Spell, straight up get a dice
plus arcane transformation on Slayr of kings
+1 attacks on that bitch
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:57
ill have to reread alligences then, i thought it had to have the keyword before setup to be counted
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:57
They FAQ'ed you can do that as long as it says they get the ability at the start of the game.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:57
oh
thats nice
guess i havent check the FAQ in awhile
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:58
If your army includes any units that are given keywords
when they are set up, such as units with a Mark of Chaos,
then these must be chosen and written down when
the unit is added to the roster. You must record the
allegiance abilities for your army when the battle begins,
before setting up your first unit. You can choose to take
either the allegiance abilities for the allegiance your
army belongs to, or the allegiance abilities for the Grand
Alliance your army belongs to.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:58
i did play 2500 with archaic and 2 LoCs, those magic buffs were dumb good
*archaon
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:58
Oh yea. it's crazy
I still might get that list sometime
Waiting to see if aztec lizards are gonna get love
since TW2 is coming out
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:59
they will eventually
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:59
If they don't, probably Archaeon tzeench
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:59
i so hope they do.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 15:59
if they do, DINO TIME BABY
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:59
my immaginary celestial deamon lizards need some loving.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 15:59
idk if they will coninside with TWW2 because thats 8th technically
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 15:59
ignore -1rend just isn't enough
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:00
Ignore -1?
Bitch, Bastilladon spam.
Ignore ALL!
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 16:00
also i think the next big story line for AoS is suppose to be Aelves
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:00
lol
i'm sorry, i'm a cav spam guy
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:00
You want dinos? Fuck you - I'll field 3 Venosaurs.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:00
lmaoooooo
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 16:00
Slaanesh is suppoe to release itself and shit
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:01
3 Venosaurs with a slann and an engine of the gods?
If you can screen well that shit never dies.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:01
you are a bad bad man lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:01
Oh, thunderquake starhost
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:01
slann with vortex?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:01
for shits and giggles
Oh wow, I never did that yet
Kroak on a vortex
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:02
yup lol
once i get a slann that's going to be the only way i use it.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:02
Oh yea, definately
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:02
up on a vortex
is the skink slann any good? i've never actually played with it.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 16:03
AoS chat is leaking, lol :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:03
Not terrible
I prefer the normal slann honestly
Since I like Engine
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:03
i kinda got that impression.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:03
Skink Starpriest doesn't provide the buff
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:04
like only reason i could see to run it is the battalions that require one.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:04
I mean, I want kroak over all of them
But he's gimped to shit in matched play
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:04
he's useless in matched
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:12
mm these categories sound sexy
as much as 1s and 0s can
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:13
yes indeed
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 16:40
is there a 8th branch or prep repo yet?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 12 2017 16:40
no
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 16:44
not until we know the ins and outs of army building was the general consensus
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 12 2017 16:45
oh. i just have a gst with the things known so far :p
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:58
I'd like to interject that Always Sunny is on tv
And you should all watch it
That is all
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 16:58
you're aware that US tv is slighty different from EU or German TV, yes? :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:59
*You all besides King Heresy over here
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 16:59
I feel excluded...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 12 2017 16:59
Can I offer you an egg in this trying time?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 16:59
Depends
will something burst out and eat my face?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 17:00
I think IU might be missing some context in here .... :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 18:19
@Kohato https://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit
description says "dark souls sci-fi"
This might interest you, just started watching
or rather "sci fi souls"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 19:09
looks fun. Like souls with fucking exosuits.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 20:11
lol
the burn! :D
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 12 2017 20:12
whoever runs the facebook page over there is absolutely killing it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 12 2017 20:12
and reanimates