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15th
May 2017
cartag
@cartag
May 15 2017 01:04
TIL there's a named daemon prince of Khorne that may be Genghis Khan
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 07:14
@Kohato yes invisible in the sense that you can hardly spot them. Only the prompt to climb down is a good hint there's a FUCKING ladder.. I keep wandering around not seeing the way down.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 08:56
well at least you were able to find the way down and get out of lag city
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 11:50
didnt have any fps drops, at least not noticable ones.. so they fixed and :ship: ed it
Funny thing in all those guides.. "use this set or armor and this item to make it easier!"
Well, where do I get that thing then?
"venture in a complete different area where you've never been before to get that thing!"
Thank you GUIDE.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 11:53
you talking about the rusted iron ring?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 11:53
xactly
or stone armour
or random shit xyz
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 12:58
Stone armor to help get through the bog?
That's a garaunteed Fat man roll by a good margin
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:02
its got very high poise and decent resists, so i can see why a guide would recommend it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 13:03
Cloranthy and Havels all the way.
Ninja roll your way through the game.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:05
don't forget the best looking mask in the game
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 13:06
onion?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:07
mask of the father :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 13:07
haha
True. Better than that ring
The favor ring that breaks when you remove it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:07
the fap ring
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 13:08
I need to try a randomizer run one of these days
Randomizer Use What you See
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:08
randomise your build?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 13:09
Oh sweet child. No
Randomized items.
For everything.
And combined with USe what you see (You equip what you get and trash what you had last - or sell)
it's a very unforgiving run that is sometimes not even possible due to drops
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:09
huh, i might just try that
"everything can work"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 13:09
DS1 only I believe
I don't think the randomizer was ever made for 2 or 3
"Everything can work"
Except when the Dragon's Tooth drops for you in the burg
And all of a sudden you have to kill shit with a weapon you can't even 2h for 20 soul levels :p
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:12
it still does some damage though right?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 13:12
Or because the random seed hates you. Full havels before you get too far in
I think unwieldy does half damage, but it takes nearly all of your stamina
full stone* not havels
Oh I forgot, the mod also removes your estus
until you complete a quest
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:13
but, oscar gave that to me :(
you cant just take it away
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 13:13
He still does. Then you use it. and it's empty
because lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:14
as long as laurentius is still a bro, thats all i need
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:17
By the way, on all but the easiest difficulty, key items like the Basement Key or the Covenant of Artorias are probably not in their usual spots.
this sounds good
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 13:44
i have no idea what y'all are talking about, I still walk around with that wyvern tail sword,, a halberd +3 or so, knights + 1 and Spider Shield/Crystal Shield... Think all other gear I got is different starter gear
tho there is that guy at the entrance to blighttown that sells some weird armour stuff
didnt find any of that fancy staff you're talking about ^^
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:49
domhnall? with the glasses and the horns
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 13:49
yeah thats the name
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:50
he sells the armour of bosses youve defeated :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 13:50
I remember seeing a Helm of the Wise and some... armour of the glorious
well not much at this point :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:51
haha, i think that's the armour he's wearing
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 13:51
yep
looks ridiculous

http://imgur.com/KILUE8Q

freakin slaneeshi worshipper

Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:54
aye simwae, that's him
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 13:55
i have a sinking feeling that I'm doing a lot wrong and missing a LOT of stuffz
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:56
thats just dark souls. i get that every time i play and end up wasting a lot of time
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 13:56
and yet you seem to me like a wandering soulsopedia...
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 13:57
i've just played through it a few too many times :D
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 13:58
I can see that.. and get the "why!"! it is a quite deep and exploratory game... if I had more time I guess I'd newgame+ the shit out of it to discover EVREYTHING
(which is why games like Skyrim drive me mad)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:01
idk, i just love the lore. everything you think is just an arbitrarily placed item has a very good reason for being there in terms of the story
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:03
I get that feeling somewhat
game loads to fast to read everything (lol) but you sometimes read about some Dark Knight Kirk thing..
had to bash his face in yesterday.
I was... surprised and scared, thought I'd get PvP invaded
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:04
the game loads too fast to read the load-screen hints: the woes of PC gaming
but kirk is cool, iirc
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:10
so... wait a second.
If i have that white soapstone thing (which I do)
I can use it, repeatedly, can get summoned to the boss in the area and not suffer from it in any way?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:12
yeah, you can go to other peoples worlds to help them
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:12
this game is in equal parts confusing, exciting and horrifying..
or in other word
what?
WHAT?
WHAAT THE FUCK?!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:13
and we love it so \[T]/
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:13
I just leared that what I need to do to [T]/
I wanna be a golden one!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:14
haha, sunlight fo' life!
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:20
I also got duped.
Read somewhere that choosing the pendant as a starting gift unlocks the "true ending" of the game.
Fuck you internet, I could have the Master key!
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:21
the director of the game said in an interview that it's his favourite starting item :P
probably for role playing reasons
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:22
I wish to make his face have an aquaintance with this item used to construct building walls.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:23
but yes, master key every time. cant live without that grass crest
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:24
gras shield?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:24
yeah
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:24
I actually have that thing for once!
I was like.. 'meh, worse than my Knight Shield' and put it away
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:25
increases stamina regen, even if its just on your back :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:26
psssh.
My preferred strat so far is block slash slash slash slash. Who needs stamina if you can kill dudes with one bar? :P
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:26
because rolling uses less stamina than blocking :)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:28
if got to check my load... last time I tried to roll was asylum demon. And that got me killed quickly, but I've leveled up my stamina since
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:31
yup
Stormcast Extremis / Space Marines Primaris
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:33
"Intercessors"
not sure i like that name
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:33
30" rapid fire lol
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:34
and AP -1 :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:34
they're gonna be elite slots i bet
or expensive troops in units of 5
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:34
probably get heavy and fast variants soon enough
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:34
still dont like the idea.
this stinks of power creep
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:35
How long have you played 40k?
And THIS is what stinks of power creep?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:35
well the obvious kind!
SM have been the staple of 40k for like.. ever
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:35
Just treat it as a new faction really
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:36
back to 2nd row kiddo
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:36
LMC elite faction
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:37
dunno
guess I'm just too purist. Maybe I need some time to get used to it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:37
Anything "New" will be power creep to old guard (and new players)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:37
Centurions cut deep, eh? :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:37
especially when we don't know anything but a single weapon stat line
Nah, just used to outcries of OP and GW HATES BALANCE from the AOS circles.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:38
Can I field a whole army of Primaris Marines?
You totally can.
that kinda implies theyre gonna be troops
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:38
Tactical Primaris, why not?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:38
Sky Dwarves appeared to be all shooting and they have the first transports in sigmar. Widely cried to be game breaking due to the amount of ranged.
Sky Dwarves are very middle of the line.
They might be troops if Primaris faction or something
Or the might be troops in general with high cost, low model count
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:39
why make it so complicated? They will have the same roles as current marines, just bigger and more expensive
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:39
thats pretty much what im expecting ^
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:39
Primaris Tacticals, primaris Assaults, Primaris Devastators.. Primaris Rhinos, Primaris everything + 1
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:40
Primaris Primarch? :P
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:40
I bet Cawl couldnt do THAT one
or could he...?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:40
There are new chapters ;)
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:40
sounds like heresy of the highest order
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:40
yes from the same gene seed
or derived from it
primaris wolven. hah.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:40
maybe
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:41
"Though they are a step removed from their brothers, the Primaris Space Marines still bear the gene-seed of their Primarchs, and some dissenting voices worry how this new type of warrior will react with the known genetic quirks and flaws of some of the more unusual Chapters…"
Primaris Death Company.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:42
Primaris Fallen? :D
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:42
nah
those didnt exist in 30k yet, so eff off :P
Primaris Deathwing? Now we're talking...
at the cheap price of 80pts/model!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:44
No Chaos primaris they said
I imagine new DG will be truescale
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:44
they said as much.. DG is the primaris for chaos
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:44
This is no different than Extremis chamber really
It's a sub faction
the first "Codex" will likely be Adeptus Astartes that combines SM and Primaris
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:45
well I admit I like the look of the Primaris guys.. better proportioned
I really have trouble accepting them lorewise tho
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:46
they do feel a bit like a deus ex to sell new models
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:47
Almost like GW is a for profit company ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:47
ofc they are... what sells most? What can you easily sell more off?
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 14:48
im not disputing that they need to make money, but the story reasons for it feel very forced
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:48
Lore wise, what is harder to believe: that over 10,000 years, the scions on mars have not done anything at all to further the genetic super soldiers, or that as they have operated largely outside of any governance since the herasy, they worked to improve upon perfection.
Personally it's harder to believe that over 10,000 years, stagnation is the name of the game.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:50
you mean the guys that forget how to do anything and rely on ritual and superstition to build anything? the guys that condemn any kind of progress because there is nothing new to be learned?
That is exactly what the setting told us for 30 years now. And now Cawl can surpass the works of the Emperor?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:50
Cawl, shown to be somewhat extreme in his methods in GS, has been laboring for 10,000 years.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:50
they might have tried, but currently they either would have failed (or what did Bile do all the time? No new marines there for a long time, and he had the time for that) or purged the heretec.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:51
I'm guessing they've gone through countless iterations
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:51
thats simply now how the AdMech works in general
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:51
It would also be a damn good use of Geneseed tithe.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:52
whcih is why it is so grating, it violates a lot of the iron rules of 40k
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:52
Iron rules being lets misinterpret the words of a man who didn't want to be called a god?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:52
stagnation, degradation, dogma.
Suddenly no stagnation, but progress! We ignored dogma because reasons and made discoveries! We even surpassed the Emperor!
I meant iron rules in the sense of what makes 40k what it is
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:53
Right. dogmatic ignorance and bastardization of a man's vision.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:53
yep
that is 40k.
this Primaris stuff is direct contradicting that.
which is why I have a hard time accepting it
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:54
Lore wise, one of the greatest, if not the greatest, tactitian in the galaxy saw something like this happening in 30k. So he set tasks in motion to countermand stagnation and degredation.
Took 10,000 years.
Probably would've been sooner had he been alive.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:55
a task abandoned when the galaxy was set aflame?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:55
Who says Cawl abaondoned it?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:55
he himself
in one of the teasers
that was a direct quote.. GS 2 I think
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:55
Ah, shit did go down
other things needed attending to
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:56
yes
and then he dug around on a rock, not developing the Primaris
but suddenly when Robot is back he has them ready and mass produced
they're being forced into the setting as were the centurions
but this is far greater than "we always had weapon x"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:57
It's like a man with what, 3 brains, can't multi-task
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:57
alright, lets just say he did it despite "abandoning" the task
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 14:57
Yes it's a money grab. Yes it's new things being introduced very suddenly into a setting where very very few things comparatively have been put out in 2 decades.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 14:58
its new things introduced in a way that hurts the feel of 40k.
if it were a new tank - stc rediscovered! yey!
if it were a new weapon type - see above
but new, better space mrines.. thats a lot to stomach
would've been easier with new xenos races or anything like that
but by changing the most iconic thing in 40k... which argueably ARE the Space Marines... they go pretty deep
and they didnt introduce them slowly... hell nah. Suddenly there are entire CHAPTERS of these guys around
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:01
8th is a bit of a time jump it seems
which, given decades of sitting in M41.999, i'm fine with a bit of time skip
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:01
maybe.. yesterday my DAark Angels were the Angels of Death. Now they're the Angels of Deaf.
a7771AA_460s_v2.jpg
things happened to fast, i real time, for the setting.
*in
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:03
Nah. It's exactly what people have begged for.
Let's progress the story
Lets move along
Gathering Storm was the epilogue of 7th.
8th is the sequel 10 years later.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:04
I'm not "people". People are wrong. Democracy argueably sucks :P
also, progressing the story - ok. Waking up primarchs - fine! Razing Cadia! Goodie! Warp Rift across the galaxy? Eh, sure.
Superceding marines? too much.
once they actually are integrated in the lore I might find them more acceptable, but right now.. they're revolting lorewise.
and I'm typing myself into nerdrage :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:05
I see that.
Embrace change.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:06
oh no you just didn't.... ^^
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:08
At least one of the gods has the right idea ;)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:08
well "change" also incorporates turning you from "alive" into "dead. That too is change, probably his idea of it too :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:09
You're thinking of progression.
That's nurgle
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:09
stagnation.
thats nurgle. Tzeentch and Nurgle are at each others throats :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:09
Nurgle has never been about stagnation
Decay, destruction, etc.
All progression along the cycle of death, which leads into life.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:10
"Nurgle is primarily the god of despair, stagnation, death and decay, signifying the end of things in the material realm"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:10
Nurgly shit looks horribly disgusting, but he's just as much about life as he is death.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:11
Nurgle is also the god of other stoic emotions, such as: inevitability, empathy, kinship, happiness, struggle, love, tradition, mercy, and memory. Unlike Tzeentch who tells his followers to deny death to continue to achieve greater things; Nurgle tells his followers to accept the inevitability of their demise, and by doing so, achieve solace and happiness. His followers are all-too happy to spread the joyous teachings of Papa Nurgle and if those living fleshbags won't listen, they'll show them the joys of death first-hand using Nurgle's many plagues.

I rest my case.
Yes, D4chan is not the best source, but this seems solid enough.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Nurgle

"His main enemy is Tzeentch, the Lord of Change, because their power comes from opposing sources. Tzeentch is hope and ambition, while Nurgle is defiance born of despair and hopelessness."
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nurgle

Lexicanum is a better source :P

I rest my case, your honor.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:13
Wanting to progress life to death to life can't happen with stagnation
They are rivals. Tzeench followers wish to avoid death. They wish to keep living to aspire to greater things
Nurgle wishes to bring all things to their end.
Which is not stagnation, it's entropy.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:16
and once everything ended, there is no change anymore. Which is....?
entropy is constant change. Tzeentch would be happy with that, but he isn't. C:D rules has Tzeentch vs nurgle and Khorne vs slaneesh buildin right now
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:17
While Nurgle is the God of Death and Decay, he is also the God of Rebirth. After all, decay is simply one part of the cycle of life, without which no new life could grow. In the same way, Nurgle is also the God of Perseverance and Survival.
Bringing things to their end just makes way for more life.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:17
most viruses and other contagions, he loves all life, yes
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:18
Right. He is all about progression. The cycle. He gets the most jollies off of the back 9, but you can't get there without the front 9
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:18
still, tzeentch and nurgle don't like each other. We could argue Stagnation or Entropy all day, but that was the core of the argument in the first place :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:18
No they hate each other.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:18
good. We are in agreement then :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:19
In the end, Embrace Change. Tzeench is blue. So are the ultramarines and primaris marines.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:19
i'mma head home now, work done.
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:19
All is according to plan.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 15:19
not if I paint them nurgley green!
urh Dark Angeley!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:19
Traitor Angels
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 15:19
now you're talking!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 15:20
Yea, the DA. The real traitor angels.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 15 2017 15:45
lol I love you guys
2 wounds, 5 per unit, no weapons options
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 16:09
yea, figured it'd be something like that. "A fair few more points" too
It's SM: Extremis chamber
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 15 2017 16:12
Does this mean I should start calling Cawl Stark? Lol
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 16:13
only if Guilliman can be either Rescue or Riri
(Rescue being Pepper Pots when she's using armor made by Stark, Riri being Ironheart, the new hero who took over for Iron Man and also uses his armor ... well her own armor with a Stark AI in it)
Shut up I'm a comic buff.
Heheh
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 16:51
so new SM bikes confirmed? lol
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 15 2017 16:51
Lol
Which reminds me, I need to go pick up 3 vedros attack bikes
That or some 3rd party bits manufacturer comes up with a better attack bike
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 16:53
i just put together some SM bikes. pretty disapointed in the moulds compared to todays
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 15 2017 16:54
I have a feeling the plasma dude are part of another squad type
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 16:54
i mean with a no options unit, ive sure there was going to be a special weapons unit as well.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 15 2017 16:55
They did say multiple different types of units of the new dude
I'm almost expecting ASM numarines
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 16:55
maybe the intercessor squad will be troop choice. then there will be a elite version and heavy version
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 16:57
yep, and probably a fast version too
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 16:57
all the upgrade options will just be super fined tunes
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 16:59
im surprised the sergeant doesnt have anything special
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 16:59
also notice, its only 5 guys period. no size upgrades
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:00
yeah, no options of any kind
5 guys with bolt rifles, thats your lot
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 17:00
literally 5 30” s4 ap-1 guys with 2 wounds
zopha
@zopha
May 15 2017 17:01
That's probably what you get in the next starter box.
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 17:02
now im interested in the elite/fast/heavy versions
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 17:14
power 5 vs power 6
so going by that scale, it would be 15.6 ergo 16 points per intercessor
which is... quite the deal for doubled wounds
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:15
and AP-1
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 17:15
even a 50% increase in points to close to 20 or 20 would make it worth it
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:15
they still get dunked by the rubrics we saw though
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 17:15
they're either way underwhelming (with all that hype) and overwhelmingly capable, depending on cost
yeh
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 17:16
but only for the troop choice. im guess the the other version are going to be way better
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 17:16
so... Robot, how'd save the galaxy with these?
nah i'd think they have fixed weapons
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:17
i think the elites variants will have a choice of special weapons, and the same with the heavy guys
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 15 2017 17:17
^
zopha
@zopha
May 15 2017 17:20
T'au now.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:21
well that confirms what we thought about sniper weapons
zopha
@zopha
May 15 2017 17:21
some stuff about new rules or "keywords" in there
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:22
tau are getting spets :o
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 15 2017 17:25
the missile pod doing d3 damage is awesome.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:26
and crisis can shoot 3 weapons at a time now
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 15 2017 17:26
woo
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 17:29
stupid broken fishheads.
Tau Freistoss.jpg
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Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 17:33
I think you're missing something for tau
<sept> keyword
Which means I could hope for <dynasty>
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:33
<hive fleet>
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 17:33
Yup
That's awesome
And a hint at what flying does
Fall back and shoot
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:34
flying?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 17:34
Yea
Fly keyword
And my storm surges. 10 weapon love
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:35
oh i missed that, neat
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 17:35
Marker lights not buffing bs is good too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:36
is that what they getting for their jet packs
the Fly keyword
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 17:36
Probably
Jump troops are probably gone
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:36
nah, jump will be there
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 17:36
Jump pack on sm probably confers fly
Er jet
Not jump
And 3 weapons won't be broken
Well still pay for 3 :p
Crisis spam, while fun, isn't the best due to cost of upgrades
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
May 15 2017 17:39
So do we have any idea how to implement that <sept> thing? :D
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 17:39
Keywords
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:39
poke jon until he give us some functionality
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 15 2017 17:39
Keywords man, keywords
Amadeusz Sadowski
@amis92
May 15 2017 17:40
Well yeah, I read he wants to enhance category for that use, but a placeholder for category?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 17:40
We can assign sub keywords now
Or will be bale to
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 15 2017 17:40
also, we're getting a release date before the end of the month
so we have an actual deadline
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 15 2017 17:41
Eh. We have a date of a date
Could be 12/2017 still
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 15 2017 20:27
that middle of june date seems plausible tho
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 15 2017 20:33
Especially since it's 8 weeks post announcement
Which lines up nicely with the refunds for purchases 8 weeks prior
cartag
@cartag
May 15 2017 20:37
And all things Khorne.
Plus the WD is postponed until 6/16. I'd say that supports the 6/17 date