TIL there's a named daemon prince of Khorne that may be Genghis Khan
@Kohato yes invisible in the sense that you can hardly spot them. Only the prompt to climb down is a good hint there's a FUCKING ladder.. I keep wandering around not seeing the way down.
well at least you were able to find the way down and get out of lag city
didnt have any fps drops, at least not noticable ones.. so they fixed and :ship: ed it
Funny thing in all those guides.. "use this set or armor and this item to make it easier!"
Well, where do I get that thing then?
"venture in a complete different area where you've never been before to get that thing!"
Thank you GUIDE.
Funny thing in all those guides.. "use this set or armor and this item to make it easier!"
Well, where do I get that thing then?
"venture in a complete different area where you've never been before to get that thing!"
Thank you GUIDE.
you talking about the rusted iron ring?
xactly
or stone armour
or random shit xyz
Stone armor to help get through the bog?
That's a garaunteed Fat man roll by a good margin
its got very high poise and decent resists, so i can see why a guide would recommend it
Cloranthy and Havels all the way.
Ninja roll your way through the game.
don't forget the best looking mask in the game
onion?
mask of the father :P
haha
True. Better than that ring
The favor ring that breaks when you remove it
the fap ring
I need to try a randomizer run one of these days
Randomizer Use What you See
randomise your build?
Oh sweet child. No
Randomized items.
For everything.
And combined with USe what you see (You equip what you get and trash what you had last - or sell)
it's a very unforgiving run that is sometimes not even possible due to drops
huh, i might just try that
"everything can work"
DS1 only I believe
I don't think the randomizer was ever made for 2 or 3
"Everything can work"
Except when the Dragon's Tooth drops for you in the burg
And all of a sudden you have to kill shit with a weapon you can't even 2h for 20 soul levels :p
it still does some damage though right?
Or because the random seed hates you. Full havels before you get too far in
I think unwieldy does half damage, but it takes nearly all of your stamina
full stone* not havels
Oh I forgot, the mod also removes your estus
until you complete a quest
but, oscar gave that to me :(
you cant just take it away
He still does. Then you use it. and it's empty
because lol
as long as laurentius is still a bro, thats all i need
By the way, on all but the easiest difficulty, key items like the Basement Key or the Covenant of Artorias are probably not in their usual spots.
this sounds good
i have no idea what y'all are talking about, I still walk around with that wyvern tail sword,, a halberd +3 or so, knights + 1 and Spider Shield/Crystal Shield... Think all other gear I got is different starter gear
tho there is that guy at the entrance to blighttown that sells some weird armour stuff
didnt find any of that fancy staff you're talking about ^^
domhnall? with the glasses and the horns
yeah thats the name
he sells the armour of bosses youve defeated :)
I remember seeing a Helm of the Wise and some... armour of the glorious
well not much at this point :P
haha, i think that's the armour he's wearing
yep
looks ridiculous
looks ridiculous
freakin slaneeshi worshipper
aye simwae, that's him
i have a sinking feeling that I'm doing a lot wrong and missing a LOT of stuffz
thats just dark souls. i get that every time i play and end up wasting a lot of time
and yet you seem to me like a wandering soulsopedia...
i've just played through it a few too many times :D
I can see that.. and get the "why!"! it is a quite deep and exploratory game... if I had more time I guess I'd newgame+ the shit out of it to discover EVREYTHING
(which is why games like Skyrim drive me mad)
idk, i just love the lore. everything you think is just an arbitrarily placed item has a very good reason for being there in terms of the story
I get that feeling somewhat
game loads to fast to read everything (lol) but you sometimes read about some Dark Knight Kirk thing..
game loads to fast to read everything (lol) but you sometimes read about some Dark Knight Kirk thing..
had to bash his face in yesterday.
I was... surprised and scared, thought I'd get PvP invaded
the game loads too fast to read the load-screen hints: the woes of PC gaming
but kirk is cool, iirc
so... wait a second.
If i have that white soapstone thing (which I do)
I can use it, repeatedly, can get summoned to the boss in the area and not suffer from it in any way?
If i have that white soapstone thing (which I do)
I can use it, repeatedly, can get summoned to the boss in the area and not suffer from it in any way?
yeah, you can go to other peoples worlds to help them
this game is in equal parts confusing, exciting and horrifying..
or in other word
what?
WHAT?
WHAAT THE FUCK?!
what?
WHAT?
WHAAT THE FUCK?!
and we love it so \[T]/
I just leared that what I need to do to [T]/
I wanna be a golden one!
haha, sunlight fo' life!
I also got duped.
Read somewhere that choosing the pendant as a starting gift unlocks the "true ending" of the game.
Fuck you internet, I could have the Master key!
Read somewhere that choosing the pendant as a starting gift unlocks the "true ending" of the game.
Fuck you internet, I could have the Master key!
the director of the game said in an interview that it's his favourite starting item :P
probably for role playing reasons
I wish to make his face have an aquaintance with this item used to construct building walls.
but yes, master key every time. cant live without that grass crest
gras shield?
yeah
I actually have that thing for once!
I was like.. 'meh, worse than my Knight Shield' and put it away
increases stamina regen, even if its just on your back :P
psssh.
My preferred strat so far is block slash slash slash slash. Who needs stamina if you can kill dudes with one bar? :P
My preferred strat so far is block slash slash slash slash. Who needs stamina if you can kill dudes with one bar? :P
because rolling uses less stamina than blocking :)
if got to check my load... last time I tried to roll was asylum demon. And that got me killed quickly, but I've leveled up my stamina since
yup
Stormcast Extremis / Space Marines Primaris
"Intercessors"
not sure i like that name
not sure i like that name
30" rapid fire lol
and AP -1 :D
they're gonna be elite slots i bet
or expensive troops in units of 5
probably get heavy and fast variants soon enough
still dont like the idea.
this stinks of power creep
How long have you played 40k?
And THIS is what stinks of power creep?
well the obvious kind!
SM have been the staple of 40k for like.. ever
Just treat it as a new faction really
back to 2nd row kiddo
LMC elite faction
dunno
guess I'm just too purist. Maybe I need some time to get used to it
guess I'm just too purist. Maybe I need some time to get used to it
Anything "New" will be power creep to old guard (and new players)
Centurions cut deep, eh? :P
especially when we don't know anything but a single weapon stat line
Nah, just used to outcries of OP and GW HATES BALANCE from the AOS circles.
Can I field a whole army of Primaris Marines?
You totally can.
that kinda implies theyre gonna be troops
Tactical Primaris, why not?
Sky Dwarves appeared to be all shooting and they have the first transports in sigmar. Widely cried to be game breaking due to the amount of ranged.
Sky Dwarves are very middle of the line.
They might be troops if Primaris faction or something
Or the might be troops in general with high cost, low model count
why make it so complicated? They will have the same roles as current marines, just bigger and more expensive
thats pretty much what im expecting ^
Primaris Tacticals, primaris Assaults, Primaris Devastators.. Primaris Rhinos, Primaris everything + 1
Primaris Primarch? :P
I bet Cawl couldnt do THAT one
or could he...?
There are new chapters ;)
sounds like heresy of the highest order
yes from the same gene seed
or derived from it
primaris wolven. hah.
maybe
"Though they are a step removed from their brothers, the Primaris Space Marines still bear the gene-seed of their Primarchs, and some dissenting voices worry how this new type of warrior will react with the known genetic quirks and flaws of some of the more unusual Chapters…"
Primaris Death Company.
Primaris Fallen? :D
nah
those didnt exist in 30k yet, so eff off :P
those didnt exist in 30k yet, so eff off :P
Primaris Deathwing? Now we're talking...
at the cheap price of 80pts/model!
No Chaos primaris they said
I imagine new DG will be truescale
they said as much.. DG is the primaris for chaos
This is no different than Extremis chamber really
It's a sub faction
the first "Codex" will likely be Adeptus Astartes that combines SM and Primaris
well I admit I like the look of the Primaris guys.. better proportioned
I really have trouble accepting them lorewise tho
they do feel a bit like a deus ex to sell new models
Almost like GW is a for profit company ;)
ofc they are... what sells most? What can you easily sell more off?
im not disputing that they need to make money, but the story reasons for it feel very forced
Lore wise, what is harder to believe: that over 10,000 years, the scions on mars have not done anything at all to further the genetic super soldiers, or that as they have operated largely outside of any governance since the herasy, they worked to improve upon perfection.
Personally it's harder to believe that over 10,000 years, stagnation is the name of the game.
you mean the guys that forget how to do anything and rely on ritual and superstition to build anything? the guys that condemn any kind of progress because there is nothing new to be learned?
That is exactly what the setting told us for 30 years now. And now Cawl can surpass the works of the Emperor?
That is exactly what the setting told us for 30 years now. And now Cawl can surpass the works of the Emperor?
Cawl, shown to be somewhat extreme in his methods in GS, has been laboring for 10,000 years.
they might have tried, but currently they either would have failed (or what did Bile do all the time? No new marines there for a long time, and he had the time for that) or purged the heretec.
I'm guessing they've gone through countless iterations
thats simply now how the AdMech works in general
It would also be a damn good use of Geneseed tithe.
whcih is why it is so grating, it violates a lot of the iron rules of 40k
Iron rules being lets misinterpret the words of a man who didn't want to be called a god?
stagnation, degradation, dogma.
Suddenly no stagnation, but progress! We ignored dogma because reasons and made discoveries! We even surpassed the Emperor!
Suddenly no stagnation, but progress! We ignored dogma because reasons and made discoveries! We even surpassed the Emperor!
I meant iron rules in the sense of what makes 40k what it is
Right. dogmatic ignorance and bastardization of a man's vision.
yep
that is 40k.
this Primaris stuff is direct contradicting that.
which is why I have a hard time accepting it
Lore wise, one of the greatest, if not the greatest, tactitian in the galaxy saw something like this happening in 30k. So he set tasks in motion to countermand stagnation and degredation.
Took 10,000 years.
Probably would've been sooner had he been alive.
a task abandoned when the galaxy was set aflame?
Who says Cawl abaondoned it?
he himself
in one of the teasers
that was a direct quote.. GS 2 I think
Ah, shit did go down
other things needed attending to
yes
and then he dug around on a rock, not developing the Primaris
but suddenly when Robot is back he has them ready and mass produced
and then he dug around on a rock, not developing the Primaris
but suddenly when Robot is back he has them ready and mass produced
they're being forced into the setting as were the centurions
but this is far greater than "we always had weapon x"
It's like a man with what, 3 brains, can't multi-task
alright, lets just say he did it despite "abandoning" the task
Yes it's a money grab. Yes it's new things being introduced very suddenly into a setting where very very few things comparatively have been put out in 2 decades.
its new things introduced in a way that hurts the feel of 40k.
if it were a new tank - stc rediscovered! yey!
if it were a new weapon type - see above
but new, better space mrines.. thats a lot to stomach
would've been easier with new xenos races or anything like that
but by changing the most iconic thing in 40k... which argueably ARE the Space Marines... they go pretty deep
but by changing the most iconic thing in 40k... which argueably ARE the Space Marines... they go pretty deep
and they didnt introduce them slowly... hell nah. Suddenly there are entire CHAPTERS of these guys around
8th is a bit of a time jump it seems
which, given decades of sitting in M41.999, i'm fine with a bit of time skip
maybe.. yesterday my DAark Angels were the Angels of Death. Now they're the Angels of Deaf.
things happened to fast, i real time, for the setting.
*in
Nah. It's exactly what people have begged for.
Let's progress the story
Lets move along
Gathering Storm was the epilogue of 7th.
8th is the sequel 10 years later.
I'm not "people". People are wrong. Democracy argueably sucks :P
also, progressing the story - ok. Waking up primarchs - fine! Razing Cadia! Goodie! Warp Rift across the galaxy? Eh, sure.
Superceding marines? too much.
Superceding marines? too much.
once they actually are integrated in the lore I might find them more acceptable, but right now.. they're revolting lorewise.
and I'm typing myself into nerdrage :D
I see that.
Embrace change.
oh no you just didn't.... ^^
At least one of the gods has the right idea ;)
well "change" also incorporates turning you from "alive" into "dead. That too is change, probably his idea of it too :P
You're thinking of progression.
That's nurgle
stagnation.
thats nurgle. Tzeentch and Nurgle are at each others throats :P
Nurgle has never been about stagnation
Decay, destruction, etc.
All progression along the cycle of death, which leads into life.
"Nurgle is primarily the god of despair, stagnation, death and decay, signifying the end of things in the material realm"
Nurgly shit looks horribly disgusting, but he's just as much about life as he is death.
Nurgle is also the god of other stoic emotions, such as: inevitability, empathy, kinship, happiness, struggle, love, tradition, mercy, and memory. Unlike Tzeentch who tells his followers to deny death to continue to achieve greater things; Nurgle tells his followers to accept the inevitability of their demise, and by doing so, achieve solace and happiness. His followers are all-too happy to spread the joyous teachings of Papa Nurgle and if those living fleshbags won't listen, they'll show them the joys of death first-hand using Nurgle's many plagues.
I rest my case.
Yes, D4chan is not the best source, but this seems solid enough.
"His main enemy is Tzeentch, the Lord of Change, because their power comes from opposing sources. Tzeentch is hope and ambition, while Nurgle is defiance born of despair and hopelessness."
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nurgle
Lexicanum is a better source :P
I rest my case, your honor.
Wanting to progress life to death to life can't happen with stagnation
They are rivals. Tzeench followers wish to avoid death. They wish to keep living to aspire to greater things
Nurgle wishes to bring all things to their end.
Which is not stagnation, it's entropy.
and once everything ended, there is no change anymore. Which is....?
entropy is constant change. Tzeentch would be happy with that, but he isn't. C:D rules has Tzeentch vs nurgle and Khorne vs slaneesh buildin right now
While Nurgle is the God of Death and Decay, he is also the God of Rebirth. After all, decay is simply one part of the cycle of life, without which no new life could grow. In the same way, Nurgle is also the God of Perseverance and Survival.
Bringing things to their end just makes way for more life.
most viruses and other contagions, he loves all life, yes
Right. He is all about progression. The cycle. He gets the most jollies off of the back 9, but you can't get there without the front 9
still, tzeentch and nurgle don't like each other. We could argue Stagnation or Entropy all day, but that was the core of the argument in the first place :P
No they hate each other.
good. We are in agreement then :P
In the end, Embrace Change. Tzeench is blue. So are the ultramarines and primaris marines.
i'mma head home now, work done.
All is according to plan.
not if I paint them nurgley green!
urh Dark Angeley!
Traitor Angels
now you're talking!
Yea, the DA. The real traitor angels.
lol I love you guys
2 wounds, 5 per unit, no weapons options
yea, figured it'd be something like that. "A fair few more points" too
It's SM: Extremis chamber
Does this mean I should start calling Cawl Stark? Lol
only if Guilliman can be either Rescue or Riri
(Rescue being Pepper Pots when she's using armor made by Stark, Riri being Ironheart, the new hero who took over for Iron Man and also uses his armor ... well her own armor with a Stark AI in it)
Shut up I'm a comic buff.
Heheh
so new SM bikes confirmed? lol
Lol
Which reminds me, I need to go pick up 3 vedros attack bikes
That or some 3rd party bits manufacturer comes up with a better attack bike
i just put together some SM bikes. pretty disapointed in the moulds compared to todays
I have a feeling the plasma dude are part of another squad type
i mean with a no options unit, ive sure there was going to be a special weapons unit as well.
They did say multiple different types of units of the new dude
I'm almost expecting ASM numarines
maybe the intercessor squad will be troop choice. then there will be a elite version and heavy version
yep, and probably a fast version too
all the upgrade options will just be super fined tunes
im surprised the sergeant doesnt have anything special
also notice, its only 5 guys period. no size upgrades
yeah, no options of any kind
5 guys with bolt rifles, thats your lot
literally 5 30” s4 ap-1 guys with 2 wounds
That's probably what you get in the next starter box.
now im interested in the elite/fast/heavy versions
power 5 vs power 6
so going by that scale, it would be 15.6 ergo 16 points per intercessor
which is... quite the deal for doubled wounds
and AP-1
even a 50% increase in points to close to 20 or 20 would make it worth it
they still get dunked by the rubrics we saw though
they're either way underwhelming (with all that hype) and overwhelmingly capable, depending on cost
yeh
but only for the troop choice. im guess the the other version are going to be way better
so... Robot, how'd save the galaxy with these?
nah i'd think they have fixed weapons
i think the elites variants will have a choice of special weapons, and the same with the heavy guys
^
T'au now.
well that confirms what we thought about sniper weapons
some stuff about new rules or "keywords" in there
tau are getting spets :o
the missile pod doing d3 damage is awesome.
and crisis can shoot 3 weapons at a time now
woo
stupid broken fishheads.
I think you're missing something for tau
<sept> keyword
Which means I could hope for <dynasty>
<hive fleet>
Yup
That's awesome
And a hint at what flying does
Fall back and shoot
flying?
Yea
Fly keyword
And my storm surges. 10 weapon love
oh i missed that, neat
Marker lights not buffing bs is good too
is that what they getting for their jet packs
the Fly keyword
Probably
Jump troops are probably gone
nah, jump will be there
Jump pack on sm probably confers fly
Er jet
Not jump
And 3 weapons won't be broken
Well still pay for 3 :p
Crisis spam, while fun, isn't the best due to cost of upgrades
So do we have any idea how to implement that
<sept> thing? :D
Keywords
poke jon until he give us some functionality
Keywords man, keywords
Well yeah, I read he wants to enhance category for that use, but a placeholder for category?
We can assign sub keywords now
Or will be bale to
also, we're getting a release date before the end of the month
so we have an actual deadline
Eh. We have a date of a date
Could be 12/2017 still
that middle of june date seems plausible tho
Especially since it's 8 weeks post announcement
Which lines up nicely with the refunds for purchases 8 weeks prior
And all things Khorne.
Plus the WD is postponed until 6/16. I'd say that supports the 6/17 date