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23rd
May 2017
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 07:15
well... 17th it is. Mid June rumours were spot on
Also, I soddin' HATE Ash Lake. Never ever going THERE again!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 07:16
Is that a rumour or confirmed release date?
as official as it gets
shiver me timbers, they really went all out on this one
zopha
@zopha
May 23 2017 09:15
Gravis armour..
Primaris terminator armour?
Him and the interceptor squad look like they have psyhic hoods.
and jump boots from the Super Mario movie.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 09:23
looks like theyre selling d8s, d12s and d20s for counting wounds
i expect theyre spindown, but its difficult to tell from the picture they gave
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 09:40
Yup, I got an email and started seeing it in more places now, looks good but pretty spendy!
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 10:27
Their wound counters are nice
I never remember what the difference between spindown are regular d20s are
I picked up a set for my last big 30k game
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 10:29
spindown have consecutive number on adjacent faces, so you can just turn the dice once to count up/down
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 10:29
D20 is randomized. Spin down has subsequent numbers all in a row
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 10:31
I'll check mine once I fully wake up - been fighting some blessings of Nurgle
Wasn't dark imperium the name of one of the 2e expansion books?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 10:40
That was Dark Millenium I think
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 10:41
That's right
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 10:41
In other news, looks like All Eldar and Necrons in Xenos 1, and all other aliens in Xenos 2
All the marines are in Imperium 1, and everything else is in Imperium 2
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 10:42
yup, didnt we predict something like that when they first announced 5 books?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 10:43
Imp 1 includes all flavours of Space Marines - which is good, I can just get that and Xenos 1 and be done with Index books :-)
and yes, I think we did
Xenos 2 is Orks, Tau, Tyranids and Genestealer cult
the 5th book is "Chaos" basically
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 10:45
CSM, daemons and renegade knights
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 10:46
In summary; Imp 1 = SM's, Imp 2 = Everything else Imperium, Xenos 1 = Eldar + Necrons, Xenos 2 = Other Aliens, Chaos = Chaos <-- Surprise!!
Well, I notice that they are simply referred to as "Heretic Astartes" on the cover...
otherwise, the command dice look nice, the wound trackers will probably be handy, and the objective markers look ace too
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 10:48
hmm, does heretic imply chaos, or do renegade SM fall under heretics as well?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 10:49
well yes, I think that's the idea.. basically anything that is not obviously loyal = heretic astartes, whether they are pledged to a particular Chaos god or just got grumpy and decided to forge their own way...
slightly odd way to put it, but, for example, the Fallen aren't actually Chaos Space Marines
technically
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 10:50
yeah theyre renegade, not chaos
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 11:08
has anyone figured out what the "Combat Gauge" is for?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 11:09
different measures readily available
2", 3", 4".. each wing has a specific width used commonly in the game
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 11:26
that's good, I already have a similar 2" / 3" / 4" / 6" gauge :smile:
and that's good news from Forge World, almost like they've got their sh1t together for a change...!
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 11:39
where does the confirmation of this news leave us with the CAT's?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:39
? Nowhere new.
We still have no idea on the majority of the detachments.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 11:40
I just wanted to check :-)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:40
Until we do, we have no idea what the best way to implement 8th will be
Very likely, due to the sheer number of models/options - we will need to keep CATs, but rely more on categories constrained by: Max X HQ in Roster if Force includes X
And allow only 1 force type in a roster.
That's my off the cuff anticipation of what we will need to do
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 11:43
fair enough :-) I just wanted to check that we weren't supposed to be furiously doing "something" building CAT's and so on
I can continue to do very little :)
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:44
Unfortunately nothing until the books drop. BS will be unusable for 8th until the app is released outside alpha AND we get things transferred over. I'd give anyone who asks you a reasonable estimate of a month after release.
Jon's already got the alpha out - so I'm not worried about that part moving along, but we'll be re-writing every single cat/entry once the books drop and really will have no way to do it ahead of time, so I'd say a month is a good estimate.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 11:50
righto :-) I thought that would be the case, but I only joined after most of the legwork for BS V2.0 had been done, so I've only really been involved with minor edits and bug-fixing
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:51
Well we'll definately need the help with 8th :p
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 11:51
I'll do what I can :-)
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:51
The best way to approach it will be to do a roll call here in the next couple of weeks and divy up factions/CATs to work on
there really should be no cross-work until the initial versions are done.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 11:52
as such, is there much of a change with the new BS Alpha version that I should get on the bus and see what it looks like??
sounds good
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:52
I haven't had a chance to grab the alpha yet - but the structure is the same as 2.0, but with some additions.
Think enhancements vs overhaul like 1.0>2.0 was. That said, yea anyone who will be working on 8th cats would probably benefit from taking a look at it :)
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 11:55
On the bright side, the fucking FW cats won't need to be overhauled right away
Except for SAV
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:56
FW Cats will likely be going away entirely
From what it looks like, IA Indexes are datasheets only
SM/CSM first, with the other races before the end of june.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 11:56
I'm ok with this
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:56
100% Agreed
I'm a fan of the name change of the datasheet books too.
Codex always was an astartes thing
felt wrong to have a codex for tyranids.
Index indicates a repository of information.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 11:57
You know what's sad though? Iirc Elysians is the most 2.0 of all the guard books
One of the 2 Elysian cats I completely overhauled
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:58
haha
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 11:58
well, at least you're well versed in updating/overhauling the CAT's
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 11:58
It was just broke so bad it needed it
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 11:58
well guys.. since we have to redo litterally everything, this is the chance to decide on norms to use in CATs
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 11:58
True statement
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:58
YEa, a lot of them were. a couple still are that we no longer care about
Cough: IA12, SAV.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 11:59
naming conventions, implementing similar things the same way...
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 11:59
Like SAV
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 11:59
Fucking IA12. Army list based on 5th ed necrons.
"I want to use this in 7th"
... How mother fucker. How.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 11:59
Oh! Dark harvest ok
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 11:59
troll/ nah, just let people write the CAT's however they feel like, it'll be fun - freeeeeedddoooommm!! /troll
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:00
tbh it will be difficult. I have my way of doing things, you have yours...
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:00
Otherwise, yes, I totally agree
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:00
but in the end, it would benefit all of us to use the same techniques and style guides
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:00
as far as possible we should standardise
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:00
Agreed.
Here's a proposed timeline/plan
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 12:00
Well, I think it's safe to say everything should be SSEs or SSEGs
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:00
we just have to decide on a standard
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:01
In a week or two, we do a role call to see who will be doing 8th ed conversions with us at the start.
After we get our names, we divy up cats/factions
after that, we set standards to follow
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 12:01
:+1:
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:01
I can already tell you I will shtick to my stuff and work on that
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:01
outside of those standards, it's author preference.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:01
:+1:
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:01
Yea, maintainers will still maintain their own. Old Man Heresy can stick to his traitor angels.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 12:02
With formations gone, that'll remove half the bloat in guard
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:02
cough cough purge cough
and IK and AdMech
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:02
I'll likely take care of SM/Primaris - and I'll probably pick up Necrons too since that maintainer hasn't been here in ages.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:02
with no USR's does that mean the GST will be tiny and the CAT's will be bigger?
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:02
efalsken still comes around for bugfixes, so he'll likely do tau/craftworlds
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 12:03
Yeah - since you are necrontyr man
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:03
Likely simon, yea.
Either way, we'll divy up when we do a role. We'll update the wiki then too
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:03
aye
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 12:03
I think simon should take over the elfkin as a secondary- unless you want to keep Ynarri @Kohato
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:03
I intend to get Imp 1 (for Deathwatch & Dark Angels) and Xenos 1 for Eldar
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:04
Wipe the maintainer list, make it a "Conversion Author" list. then make THAT a "Maintainer List 2.0" once we finish.
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:04
you leave my dangels to me! :P
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:04
Nah, he can take that - I just did the first one cause my roomie plays it and I wasnt 100% that eric was around
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:04
but I'm not suggesting I'll try to do more than 1 CAT
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:04
I wanted to get a ynnari out asap for my roomie to use.
Dude, Old man Heresy here will kill you if you take the traitor angels away from him
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 12:05
I might take over tau if nobody disagrees - I do play the fishheads
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:05
If Ynnnnnaarrriiii is the same as before, we might be able to do craft & dark first then copy and paste in "Reborn"
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:05
Like, he'll german murder you
Which is totally worse than regular murder
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:05
German murder is genocide.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 12:05
^this
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:05
See. Totally worse.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:05
"don't mention the war!!"
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:06
Nothing happened between '39 and '45.
Also nothing happened on Caliban.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 12:06
Germans know how to put bleach into the gene pool ;)
Ynnari still exists Simon, it's under Xenos 2 I think
The question is, is it just 3 models and strategems?
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:07
and yes, I was not suggesting I was going to even think of trying to possibly remotely take over the DA CAT... I just have some that I'd like to use, so I'll get the Index so I can :-)
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:07
Good.
now I can put away this Crozium.
filled with mustard gas.
because German.
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:08
heheheheheh!!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:08
How would that function?
Does it vent teh gas after you bash his skull in?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:08
it bashes your head in and if you still breathe..
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 12:08
he'll give you a demonstration if you like...
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:08
As sort of a jsut in case you live through a caved in skull?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:08
its basically German double tap
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 12:08
Probably like the crozius that IFists chaplain had in the SM movie
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:09
you never know with this dastardly xenos..
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:09
Event Horizon?
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 12:09
maybe their head is in their belly. Or their balls are their head. Just in case, gas em afterwards
Nah, the Ultramarines movie? shudders
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 12:09
Didn't know there was a movie outside of Event Horizon for 40k
Not that that was a 40k movie ...
More like a Lovecraft movie that was meant to be Space Hulk
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 13:12
holy shit, do people ever stop whining about GW?
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 13:13
I know my local groups just exploded again
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 13:13
there's a dude sat here complaining that he's going to have to PAY with his actual MONEY to get the new rules
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 23 2017 13:16
But... Free primer...
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 13:17
send that communist pig to the T'au where he belongs.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 13:18
apparently GW changed the definition of "core rules" to scalp us for more money
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 23 2017 13:24
I mean. If all the rules to play a game are there, then technically those are the core rules. Not saying I disagree with you, just trying to veiw all sides
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 13:28
nah, he's just being an ass for the sake of kicking up a fuss
now claiming that the yearly balance updates will be "impossible" without releasing all the codexes for free
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 23 2017 13:34
I was referring to the GW perspective.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 13:35
My locals are more hung up on having to carry 3 tomes just to play full40k
Which, oh wait, once Ryza comes out you won't need to
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 23 2017 13:36
I have like 5 now for chaos
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 13:38
Yeah but they're codex sized - indexes are gunna be 200+ page tomes, and the brb will be 300+ pages /sarcasm
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 13:46
but its in one place
flicking through 5 books...
Jon Taylor
@Jonskichov
May 23 2017 13:46
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 13:47
Oh I know - I'm more then ok with the way things are going so far
Dirk Bachert
@Thairne
May 23 2017 13:48
flick flick flick tzeentch bruva
woops
flakpanda
@flakpanda
May 23 2017 14:11
Also, I'm stoked about the starter. I just got hired on as the On-Call at my GW, so me and the manager are gonna split like 3 sine he plays nurgle/DG and I UM
Owlsbane
@Owlsbane
May 23 2017 16:14
@Kohato Only these five books (which are just a collection of datasheets, nothing more) are called Index, a faction book will still be called a codex and these will appear after launch.
@Kohato I'm guessing Ynnari will just be the three models plus a list of Craftworld/Drukhari/Harlequin units that can be used to build a list with. Basically these Indexes just translate current datasheets to 8th edition datasheets, just to tie you over until the codex for your preferred faction arrives.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 16:19
$20 for indexes - seems reasonable
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 21:23
UK pricing; WARHAMMER 40000: DARK IMPERIUM (ENGLISH) £95.00
WARHAMMER 40000 RULEBOOK (ENGLISH) £35.00
WH40K: TACTICAL OBJECTIVE CARDS (ENG) £8.00
SECTOR IMPERIALIS: OBJECTIVES £20.00
WARHAMMER 40000: COMMAND DICE £12.50
WARHAMMER 40000: WOUND TRACKERS £8.00
INDEX: XENOS 1 (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: XENOS 2 (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: CHAOS (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: IMPERIUM 1 (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: IMPERIUM 2 (ENGLISH) £15.00
DARK IMPERIUM NOVEL (HB) £18.00
WARHAMMER 40000: COMBAT GAUGE £6.00
CITADEL DEATH GUARD GREEN SPRAY £11.75
June will be expensive, fortunately it's also my birthday 2 days after release...!
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 21:27
Index prices are confusing
1250 gbp translates to 15usd but the rumor is 25usd
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 21:27
they are 15 GBP
but yes, that doesn't calculate to 25 USD
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 21:28
Yeah 15quid is $20ish
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 21:28
Oh so they are. Still doesn't equate to a 10 dollar bump :/
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 21:28
$19.50, iirc
Earl Bishop
@DrTobogganMD
May 23 2017 21:29
20$ aint bad
I'll be getting both xenos and the imperium one
And that will cover all of my armies
Simon Porter
@FarseerVeraenthis
May 23 2017 21:30
uhuh, Imp 1 and Xenos 1 for me, along with the rule book...
I know that the £95 boxed set will represent fantastic value compared with buying the dudes separately, but I REALLY don't need any more models...
zopha
@zopha
May 23 2017 22:27
https://i.redd.it/dhsox7rwhazy.jpg damn. I thought unit data slates would be free online as well.
Will Pattison
@GenWilhelm
May 23 2017 22:29
free core rules and dataslates in the box, getting straight into a game as a newbie should be a lot less painful
zopha
@zopha
May 23 2017 22:33
I just assumed the data slates would be free for all.
Jon Kissinger
@alphalas
May 23 2017 22:34
In Ryza yes
Or at least we're pretty sure that's how it'll work