well... 17th it is. Mid June rumours were spot on
Also, I soddin' HATE Ash Lake. Never ever going THERE again!
Is that a rumour or confirmed release date?
as official as it gets
shiver me timbers, they really went all out on this one
Gravis armour..
Primaris terminator armour?
Him and the interceptor squad look like they have psyhic hoods.
and jump boots from the Super Mario movie.
looks like theyre selling d8s, d12s and d20s for counting wounds
i expect theyre spindown, but its difficult to tell from the picture they gave
Yup, I got an email and started seeing it in more places now, looks good but pretty spendy!
Their wound counters are nice
I never remember what the difference between spindown are regular d20s are
I picked up a set for my last big 30k game
spindown have consecutive number on adjacent faces, so you can just turn the dice once to count up/down
D20 is randomized. Spin down has subsequent numbers all in a row
I'll check mine once I fully wake up - been fighting some blessings of Nurgle
Wasn't dark imperium the name of one of the 2e expansion books?
That was Dark Millenium I think
That's right
In other news, looks like All Eldar and Necrons in Xenos 1, and all other aliens in Xenos 2
All the marines are in Imperium 1, and everything else is in Imperium 2
yup, didnt we predict something like that when they first announced 5 books?
Imp 1 includes all flavours of Space Marines - which is good, I can just get that and Xenos 1 and be done with Index books :-)
and yes, I think we did
Xenos 2 is Orks, Tau, Tyranids and Genestealer cult
the 5th book is "Chaos" basically
CSM, daemons and renegade knights
In summary; Imp 1 = SM's, Imp 2 = Everything else Imperium, Xenos 1 = Eldar + Necrons, Xenos 2 = Other Aliens, Chaos = Chaos <-- Surprise!!
Well, I notice that they are simply referred to as "Heretic Astartes" on the cover...
otherwise, the command dice look nice, the wound trackers will probably be handy, and the objective markers look ace too
hmm, does heretic imply chaos, or do renegade SM fall under heretics as well?
well yes, I think that's the idea.. basically anything that is not obviously loyal = heretic astartes, whether they are pledged to a particular Chaos god or just got grumpy and decided to forge their own way...
slightly odd way to put it, but, for example, the Fallen aren't actually Chaos Space Marines
technically
yeah theyre renegade, not chaos
has anyone figured out what the "Combat Gauge" is for?
different measures readily available
2", 3", 4".. each wing has a specific width used commonly in the game
also, news for FW
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/
and 30k this Weekend
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/
and 30k this Weekend
that's good, I already have a similar 2" / 3" / 4" / 6" gauge :smile:
and that's good news from Forge World, almost like they've got their sh1t together for a change...!
where does the confirmation of this news leave us with the CAT's?
? Nowhere new.
We still have no idea on the majority of the detachments.
I just wanted to check :-)
Until we do, we have no idea what the best way to implement 8th will be
Very likely, due to the sheer number of models/options - we will need to keep CATs, but rely more on categories constrained by: Max X HQ in Roster if Force includes X
And allow only 1 force type in a roster.
That's my off the cuff anticipation of what we will need to do
fair enough :-) I just wanted to check that we weren't supposed to be furiously doing "something" building CAT's and so on
I can continue to do very little :)
Unfortunately nothing until the books drop. BS will be unusable for 8th until the app is released outside alpha AND we get things transferred over. I'd give anyone who asks you a reasonable estimate of a month after release.
Jon's already got the alpha out - so I'm not worried about that part moving along, but we'll be re-writing every single cat/entry once the books drop and really will have no way to do it ahead of time, so I'd say a month is a good estimate.
righto :-) I thought that would be the case, but I only joined after most of the legwork for BS V2.0 had been done, so I've only really been involved with minor edits and bug-fixing
Well we'll definately need the help with 8th :p
I'll do what I can :-)
:+1:
The best way to approach it will be to do a roll call here in the next couple of weeks and divy up factions/CATs to work on
there really should be no cross-work until the initial versions are done.
as such, is there much of a change with the new BS Alpha version that I should get on the bus and see what it looks like??
sounds good
I haven't had a chance to grab the alpha yet - but the structure is the same as 2.0, but with some additions.
Think enhancements vs overhaul like 1.0>2.0 was. That said, yea anyone who will be working on 8th cats would probably benefit from taking a look at it :)
On the bright side, the fucking FW cats won't need to be overhauled right away
Except for SAV
FW Cats will likely be going away entirely
From what it looks like, IA Indexes are datasheets only
SM/CSM first, with the other races before the end of june.
I'm ok with this
100% Agreed
I'm a fan of the name change of the datasheet books too.
Codex always was an astartes thing
felt wrong to have a codex for tyranids.
Index indicates a repository of information.
You know what's sad though? Iirc Elysians is the most 2.0 of all the guard books
One of the 2 Elysian cats I completely overhauled
haha
well, at least you're well versed in updating/overhauling the CAT's
It was just broke so bad it needed it
well guys.. since we have to redo litterally everything, this is the chance to decide on norms to use in CATs
True statement
YEa, a lot of them were. a couple still are that we no longer care about
Cough: IA12, SAV.
naming conventions, implementing similar things the same way...
Like SAV
Fucking IA12. Army list based on 5th ed necrons.
"I want to use this in 7th"
... How mother fucker. How.
Oh! Dark harvest ok
troll/ nah, just let people write the CAT's however they feel like, it'll be fun - freeeeeedddoooommm!! /troll
tbh it will be difficult. I have my way of doing things, you have yours...
Otherwise, yes, I totally agree
but in the end, it would benefit all of us to use the same techniques and style guides
as far as possible we should standardise
Agreed.
Here's a proposed timeline/plan
Well, I think it's safe to say everything should be SSEs or SSEGs
we just have to decide on a standard
In a week or two, we do a role call to see who will be doing 8th ed conversions with us at the start.
After we get our names, we divy up cats/factions
after that, we set standards to follow
:+1:
I can already tell you I will shtick to my stuff and work on that
outside of those standards, it's author preference.
:+1:
Yea, maintainers will still maintain their own. Old Man Heresy can stick to his traitor angels.
With formations gone, that'll remove half the bloat in guard
cough cough purge cough
and IK and AdMech
I'll likely take care of SM/Primaris - and I'll probably pick up Necrons too since that maintainer hasn't been here in ages.
with no USR's does that mean the GST will be tiny and the CAT's will be bigger?
efalsken still comes around for bugfixes, so he'll likely do tau/craftworlds
Yeah - since you are necrontyr man
Likely simon, yea.
Either way, we'll divy up when we do a role. We'll update the wiki then too
aye
I think simon should take over the elfkin as a secondary- unless you want to keep Ynarri @Kohato
I intend to get Imp 1 (for Deathwatch & Dark Angels) and Xenos 1 for Eldar
Wipe the maintainer list, make it a "Conversion Author" list. then make THAT a "Maintainer List 2.0" once we finish.
you leave my dangels to me! :P
Nah, he can take that - I just did the first one cause my roomie plays it and I wasnt 100% that eric was around
but I'm not suggesting I'll try to do more than 1 CAT
I wanted to get a ynnari out asap for my roomie to use.
Dude, Old man Heresy here will kill you if you take the traitor angels away from him
I might take over tau if nobody disagrees - I do play the fishheads
If Ynnnnnaarrriiii is the same as before, we might be able to do craft & dark first then copy and paste in "Reborn"
Like, he'll german murder you
Which is totally worse than regular murder
German murder is genocide.
^this
See. Totally worse.
"don't mention the war!!"
Nothing happened between '39 and '45.
Also nothing happened on Caliban.
Also nothing happened on Caliban.
Germans know how to put bleach into the gene pool ;)
Ynnari still exists Simon, it's under Xenos 2 I think
The question is, is it just 3 models and strategems?
and yes, I was not suggesting I was going to even think of trying to possibly remotely take over the DA CAT... I just have some that I'd like to use, so I'll get the Index so I can :-)
Good.
now I can put away this Crozium.
filled with mustard gas.
because German.
heheheheheh!!
How would that function?
Does it vent teh gas after you bash his skull in?
it bashes your head in and if you still breathe..
he'll give you a demonstration if you like...
As sort of a jsut in case you live through a caved in skull?
its basically German double tap
Probably like the crozius that IFists chaplain had in the SM movie
you never know with this dastardly xenos..
Event Horizon?
maybe their head is in their belly. Or their balls are their head. Just in case, gas em afterwards
Nah, the Ultramarines movie? shudders
Didn't know there was a movie outside of Event Horizon for 40k
Not that that was a 40k movie ...
More like a Lovecraft movie that was meant to be Space Hulk
holy shit, do people ever stop whining about GW?
I know my local groups just exploded again
there's a dude sat here complaining that he's going to have to PAY with his actual MONEY to get the new rules
But... Free primer...
send that communist pig to the T'au where he belongs.
apparently GW changed the definition of "core rules" to scalp us for more money
I mean. If all the rules to play a game are there, then technically those are the core rules. Not saying I disagree with you, just trying to veiw all sides
nah, he's just being an ass for the sake of kicking up a fuss
now claiming that the yearly balance updates will be "impossible" without releasing all the codexes for free
I was referring to the GW perspective.
My locals are more hung up on having to carry 3 tomes just to play full40k
Which, oh wait, once Ryza comes out you won't need to
I have like 5 now for chaos
Yeah but they're codex sized - indexes are gunna be 200+ page tomes, and the brb will be 300+ pages /sarcasm
but its in one place
flicking through 5 books...
Heads up: BattleScribe 2.01 ALPHA build 78: https://github.com/BattleScribe/Desktop-Alphas/issues/133#issuecomment-303399637
Oh I know - I'm more then ok with the way things are going so far
flick flick flick tzeentch bruva
woops
Also, I'm stoked about the starter. I just got hired on as the On-Call at my GW, so me and the manager are gonna split like 3 sine he plays nurgle/DG and I UM
@Kohato Only these five books (which are just a collection of datasheets, nothing more) are called Index, a faction book will still be called a codex and these will appear after launch.
@Kohato I'm guessing Ynnari will just be the three models plus a list of Craftworld/Drukhari/Harlequin units that can be used to build a list with. Basically these Indexes just translate current datasheets to 8th edition datasheets, just to tie you over until the codex for your preferred faction arrives.
$20 for indexes - seems reasonable
so we know what FLY does now as well: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hQKaHIsDid4/WSQ-I7AB8PI/AAAAAAABPvQ/oWuz7QvZJCsgETPYjawhBAt8W0z4SpJWQCLcB/s1600/reglas.jpg
UK pricing; WARHAMMER 40000: DARK IMPERIUM (ENGLISH) £95.00
WARHAMMER 40000 RULEBOOK (ENGLISH) £35.00
WH40K: TACTICAL OBJECTIVE CARDS (ENG) £8.00
SECTOR IMPERIALIS: OBJECTIVES £20.00
WARHAMMER 40000: COMMAND DICE £12.50
WARHAMMER 40000: WOUND TRACKERS £8.00
INDEX: XENOS 1 (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: XENOS 2 (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: CHAOS (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: IMPERIUM 1 (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: IMPERIUM 2 (ENGLISH) £15.00
DARK IMPERIUM NOVEL (HB) £18.00
WARHAMMER 40000: COMBAT GAUGE £6.00
CITADEL DEATH GUARD GREEN SPRAY £11.75
WARHAMMER 40000 RULEBOOK (ENGLISH) £35.00
WH40K: TACTICAL OBJECTIVE CARDS (ENG) £8.00
SECTOR IMPERIALIS: OBJECTIVES £20.00
WARHAMMER 40000: COMMAND DICE £12.50
WARHAMMER 40000: WOUND TRACKERS £8.00
INDEX: XENOS 1 (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: XENOS 2 (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: CHAOS (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: IMPERIUM 1 (ENGLISH) £15.00
INDEX: IMPERIUM 2 (ENGLISH) £15.00
DARK IMPERIUM NOVEL (HB) £18.00
WARHAMMER 40000: COMBAT GAUGE £6.00
CITADEL DEATH GUARD GREEN SPRAY £11.75
June will be expensive, fortunately it's also my birthday 2 days after release...!
Index prices are confusing
1250 gbp translates to 15usd but the rumor is 25usd
they are 15 GBP
but yes, that doesn't calculate to 25 USD
Yeah 15quid is $20ish
Oh so they are. Still doesn't equate to a 10 dollar bump :/
$19.50, iirc
20$ aint bad
I'll be getting both xenos and the imperium one
And that will cover all of my armies
uhuh, Imp 1 and Xenos 1 for me, along with the rule book...
I know that the £95 boxed set will represent fantastic value compared with buying the dudes separately, but I REALLY don't need any more models...
https://i.redd.it/dhsox7rwhazy.jpg damn. I thought unit data slates would be free online as well.
free core rules and dataslates in the box, getting straight into a game as a newbie should be a lot less painful
I just assumed the data slates would be free for all.
In Ryza yes
Or at least we're pretty sure that's how it'll work